heroin

northGAcock

tarheelmatt said:

Honestly Nate, I'm not sure how to take your comments.  

These people are our own people, but need care and help.  Their situation is not so much different than other folks with struggles.  I've battled some struggles and still do.  Some cope differently than others and unfortunately hit a bad spot in life, hey we all do, right?  

@YukonRon , pretty awesome that you shared that buddy.  That takes courage and glad you're doing very well for yourself.  There was possibly that one person that helped you brush your knees off and gave you another chance.  Any of us can be that person to someone else guys.  No need to be inconsiderate, we're all together.  

No truer words are spoken. Matt....you nailed it. 

JohnInCarolina

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

If you look at the ODs from Oxy it's probably the exact opposite. They used to have a time released coating that you could leave in your mouth for awhile then crush them up and snort or cook. They got rid of those and they have some gel coating now so people can't do that anymore. So even if people can get them they aren't the same those people have to go to heroine. It's really just moving the numbers around. 

Here's the data:



Just looks like a fairly steady increase to me.  

GregW

This is a terrible problem. I'm not sure that pharmacies offering Narcan without a prescription is the answer.
I am thankful that I don't have any personal experience with this problem.
I hope that anyone with this problem gets help before it's too late.

johnnyp

@YukonRon much love and support brother

GalanteNate_OneEa

Spaightlabs said:

GalanteNate_OneEa said:

JohnInCarolina said:

There are charts that will state all kinds of facts, like that face that the population has grown.

You trolling for the 'd.ick of the day' award, or what is your agenda?

My point was that your chart shows one thing, OD growth.

All that means is the number of OD death is higher.  No percentage of pop.  It is a common fact that cops pull over more red cars than any other color. What does that prove? Cops hate red?  Or how about most dumba$$es that like to speed drive red cars?  The world may never know.

GalanteNate_OneEa

YukonRon said:

JohnInCarolina said:

GalanteNate_OneEa said:

JohnInCarolina said:

There are charts that will state all kinds of facts, like that fact that the population has grown.

I have no idea what to make of your comment here.

His was an absurd statement, of course. Numbers are going up, Oxy in Kentucky is referred to as "Hillbilly Heroin." Tons of pills were brought in cooked, processed and injected. 
In Louisville, the OD, DOA, through March of 2016, is twice the number of the previous four years, combined. How is that for population growth?

diagree

johnnyp

@GalanteNate_OneEa

if this was from 1950, maybe you'd have an argument.  But this is over a 14 year period not enough room for massive pop growth to account for a flat rate percentage

SmokeyPitt

GalanteNate_OneEa said:

YukonRon said:

JohnInCarolina said:

GalanteNate_OneEa said:

JohnInCarolina said:

There are charts that will state all kinds of facts, like that fact that the population has grown.

I have no idea what to make of your comment here.

His was an absurd statement, of course. Numbers are going up, Oxy in Kentucky is referred to as "Hillbilly Heroin." Tons of pills were brought in cooked, processed and injected. 
In Louisville, the OD, DOA, through March of 2016, is twice the number of the previous four years, combined. How is that for population growth?

diagree

Diagree?  You need to lay off the heroin. 

johnkitchens

GregW said:

This is a terrible problem. I'm not sure that pharmacies offering Narcan without a prescription is the answer.
I am thankful that I don't have any personal experience with this problem.
I hope that anyone with this problem gets help before it's too late.

I agree @GregW. This has also not been a problem for me or any of my family. I am blessed, and I know it, but I know people in the community that it has affected. 

GalanteNate_OneEa

northGAcock said:

tarheelmatt said:

Honestly Nate, I'm not sure how to take your comments.  

These people are our own people, but need care and help.  Their situation is not so much different than other folks with struggles.  I've battled some struggles and still do.  Some cope differently than others and unfortunately hit a bad spot in life, hey we all do, right?  

@YukonRon , pretty awesome that you shared that buddy.  That takes courage and glad you're doing very well for yourself.  There was possibly that one person that helped you brush your knees off and gave you another chance.  Any of us can be that person to someone else guys.  No need to be inconsiderate, we're all together.  

No truer words are spoken. Matt....you nailed it. 

again Ill start with I don't want to be this guy, but if you think I have not battled addiction, you are crazy! I have the most addictive personality that I know.  Am I lucky? I don't think so. I think I Just decided stats important in life.

Lit

YukonRon said:

JohnInCarolina said:

GalanteNate_OneEa said:

JohnInCarolina said:

There are charts that will state all kinds of facts, like that fact that the population has grown.

I have no idea what to make of your comment here.

His was an absurd statement, of course. Numbers are going up, Oxy in Kentucky is referred to as "Hillbilly Heroin." Tons of pills were brought in cooked, processed and injected. 
In Louisville, the OD, DOA, through March of 2016, is twice the number of the previous four years, combined. How is that for population growth?

Why would they call Oxy Hillbilly heroin? Oxy was expensive it was the drug of choice cause it wasn't heroin. The green 80mg were $80 a pill back in 2000 when I was in college and I watched buddies shoot a couple a day. Maybe oxycodone that you are referring to but I can't imagine anyone shooting those?

tarheelmatt

GalanteNate_OneEa said:

northGAcock said:

tarheelmatt said:

Honestly Nate, I'm not sure how to take your comments.  

These people are our own people, but need care and help.  Their situation is not so much different than other folks with struggles.  I've battled some struggles and still do.  Some cope differently than others and unfortunately hit a bad spot in life, hey we all do, right?  

@YukonRon , pretty awesome that you shared that buddy.  That takes courage and glad you're doing very well for yourself.  There was possibly that one person that helped you brush your knees off and gave you another chance.  Any of us can be that person to someone else guys.  No need to be inconsiderate, we're all together.  

No truer words are spoken. Matt....you nailed it. 

again Ill start with I don't want to be this guy, but if you think I have not battled addiction, you are crazy! I have the most addictive personality that I know.  Am I lucky? I don't think so. I think I Just decided stats important in life.

I never dissed you buddy, just saying everyone needs a helping hand every once in a while.  I'd want one if I needed help.....

YukonRon

I lost my son to heroin. I lost my Godson to heroin, my ex wife was an enabler, and got caught up in the scene as well. I lost my best friend, the father of my Godson, to a grief stricken suicide due to the loss of his son, his name sake, to heroin.
This event is a very sad, ugly story, that was just as mind blowing the further I got involved. It actually got attention from The FBI, and Homeland Security. I was able to help in the apprehension of the scum POS that sold this poison.
Long story. Cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars, my home, everything.
I have vowed to fight this. I do what I can. Everyday. Every MFing day.
Dipwads like Nate are clueless.

JohnInCarolina

GalanteNate_OneEa said:

Spaightlabs said:

GalanteNate_OneEa said:

JohnInCarolina said:

There are charts that will state all kinds of facts, like that face that the population has grown.

You trolling for the 'd.ick of the day' award, or what is your agenda?

My point was that your chart shows one thing, OD growth.

All that means is the number of OD death is higher.  No percentage of pop.  It is a common fact that cops pull over more red cars than any other color. What does that prove? Cops hate red?  Or how about most dumba$$es that like to speed drive red cars?  The world may never know.

The number of deaths has more than doubled over the past three years.  US population growth isn't anywhere close to that.  

GalanteNate_OneEa

Ok @MaC122  this was my happy place, where I come and hide from the world where I live.  Where people like to play the victim.  And where I spent the majority of my career as an undercover narcotics detective.  Risking my life, my life that I love and preserve, the life that provides for my family, after the service that I dedicated to my country's defense, to preserve the future for my kids. I spent the past years of my career watching children die, watching people suffer, and worst of all watching people capitalize on others misfortune.  I know what it is to be a first responder. I know what it is like to see "normal people" fall into the spiral and follow it to the ground.  In my career I have seen my peers succumb to "addiction". (I'm not even gonna go into my feelings on that) All I can say, is as a first responder and a person who has watched what heroin can do, There will always be something, and there will always be victims, love your children, pay attention to everyone, and if you feel someone slipping, speak up, slap them in the face, and let them know that you are there for them.  Other than that, people are gonna make their own choices, and if you think they really don't know what the risk is, they do. 

Again, I should not have crapped in my back yard, but whatever, it is what it is.
I'm out, and will be back tomorrow to learn from everyone else's BGE experiences.  If I sound douchie, its because I am passionate about what I do. Sorry.
Respectfully yours,
Clueless Dipwad

theyolksonyou

@YukonRon I like you more every day. Can't wait to make your acquaintance. 

JohnInCarolina

YukonRon said:

I lost my son to heroin. I lost my Godson to heroin, my ex wife was an enabler, and got caught up in the scene as well. I lost my best friend, the father of my Godson, to a grief stricken suicide due to the loss of his son, his name sake, to heroin.
This event is a very sad, ugly story, that was just as mind blowing the further I got involved. It actually got attention from The FBI, and Homeland Security. I was able to help in the apprehension of the scum POS that sold this poison.
Long story. Cost me hundreds of thousands of dollars, my home, everything.
I have vowed to fight this. I do what I can. Everyday. Every MFing day.

Dude - peace.  That is all man.  

buzd504

Lit said:

Why would they call Oxy Hillbilly heroin? Oxy was expensive it was the drug of choice cause it wasn't heroin. The green 80mg were $80 a pill back in 2000 when I was in college and I watched buddies shoot a couple a day. Maybe oxycodone that you are referring to but I can't imagine anyone shooting those?

Heroin is hillbilly oxy.

YukonRon

Lit said:

YukonRon said:

JohnInCarolina said:

GalanteNate_OneEa said:

JohnInCarolina said:

There are charts that will state all kinds of facts, like that fact that the population has grown.

I have no idea what to make of your comment here.

His was an absurd statement, of course. Numbers are going up, Oxy in Kentucky is referred to as "Hillbilly Heroin." Tons of pills were brought in cooked, processed and injected. 
In Louisville, the OD, DOA, through March of 2016, is twice the number of the previous four years, combined. How is that for population growth?

Why would they call Oxy Hillbilly heroin? Oxy was expensive it was the drug of choice cause it wasn't heroin. The green 80mg were $80 a pill back in 2000 when I was in college and I watched buddies shoot a couple a day. Maybe oxycodone that you are referring to but I can't imagine anyone shooting those?

It was called that because if you lived in SE Kentucky, it was a huge problem. Mobile pain clinics were normal. People living on assistance had access to this stuff. Crushed into powder, cooked with other opiates, and shot up. 

Lit

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

If you look at the ODs from Oxy it's probably the exact opposite. They used to have a time released coating that you could leave in your mouth for awhile then crush them up and snort or cook. They got rid of those and they have some gel coating now so people can't do that anymore. So even if people can get them they aren't the same those people have to go to heroine. It's really just moving the numbers around. 

Here's the data:



Just looks like a fairly steady increase to me.  

2007-2013 it barely moved. Just saying I know Oxy was the drug of choice when you see that big spike in the beginning of your graph. I know actions were taken to stop it but I'm sure something else has taken its place on the pill side. From what I saw with people I knew as soon as they couldn't find or afford Oxy it was straight to heroin. I would be interested in seeing the numbers just on Ocy I would bet it has dropped a decent amount.

JohnInCarolina

@Lit - you may be right on Oxy, I don't know. I'm not sure it really matters. If you add the prescription opiod and heroin deaths, the trend is a fairly significant upward swing.  

Eggcelsior

Nate, if you are coming from the narrow angle of a Narc, you are selling yourself and everyone else short by limiting your view to a specific subset of the drug user population. Putting addiction in quotes further proves how moronic that thought process is. 

I'd love to know your thoughts on clean needle programs too.

OP,  Pain meds have clearly worsened the heroin epidemic. Pill Mills sped up the epidemic and shutting them down, while necessary, is exacerbating it even more.

I think many here would benefit from reading the book "Dreamland" by Sam Quinones.

Lit

JohnInCarolina said:

@Lit - you may be right on Oxy, I don't know. I'm not sure it really matters. If you add the prescription opiod and heroin deaths, the trend is a fairly significant upward swing.  

Agree. Lots of people getting **** up.

YukonRon

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Lit said:

JohnInCarolina said:

If you look at the ODs from Oxy it's probably the exact opposite. They used to have a time released coating that you could leave in your mouth for awhile then crush them up and snort or cook. They got rid of those and they have some gel coating now so people can't do that anymore. So even if people can get them they aren't the same those people have to go to heroine. It's really just moving the numbers around. 

Here's the data:



Just looks like a fairly steady increase to me.  

2007-2013 it barely moved. Just saying I know Oxy was the drug of choice when you see that big spike in the beginning of your graph. I know actions were taken to stop it but I'm sure something else has taken its place on the pill side. From what I saw with people I knew as soon as they couldn't find or afford Oxy it was straight to heroin. I would be interested in seeing the numbers just on Ocy I would bet it has dropped a decent amount.

I would too. I know it had to be significant. In my mind, Heroin is a WMD, and it is so plentiful anywhere you want it.
My Beautiful Wife and I are in our children's back side and their friends back side everyday about this poison. I work with local schools and organizations on awareness. The more you know the better prepared you can be.

henapple

Notice the spike during the Obama administration? 

nolaegghead

 

nolaegghead

 

JohnInCarolina

henapple said:

Notice the spike during the Obama administration? 

He's obviously dealing right from the White House lawn.

johnnyp

JohnInCarolina said:

henapple said:

Notice the spike during the Obama administration? 

He's obviously dealing right from the White House lawn.

I knew it.  Trump said so

henapple

Like President Reagan passing out Crack...? Just an observation. It's spiked pretty well over his tenure.