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RTIC 20

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  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,882
    Foghorn said:
    So, Yeti only invented boat coolers?
    They didn't invent jack crap. 


    @cazzy
    My apologies for trolling brother. At your request I will remove all of the above from your thread. 

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  • cazzy
    cazzy Posts: 9,136
    @SGH Who invented the Vertical Smoker?  Was it Backwoods? 
    Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ....
  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,882
    edited November 2015
    cazzy said:
    @SGH Who invented the Vertical Smoker?  Was it Backwoods? 
    I don't know who made the very first vertical cabinet. However Backwoods did invent the first reverse flow vertical cabinet. Most say that Spicewine made the first cabinets available to the public. However they were not reverse flow. Backwoods no doubt gets credit for that. 

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  • Lit
    Lit Posts: 9,053
    cazzy said:
    @SGH Who invented the Vertical Smoker?  Was it Backwoods? 
    Hey didn't you buy the more expensive vertical? I got the same smoker for half the price. 
  • cazzy
    cazzy Posts: 9,136
    edited November 2015
    Lit said:
    cazzy said:
    @SGH Who invented the Vertical Smoker?  Was it Backwoods? 
    Hey didn't you buy the more expensive vertical? I got the same smoker for half the price. 
    I'm very happy with my purchase though, and am not cying like a lil **** (oops, II mean trolling   =) ) in a Backwoods thread. Also, my smoker is surperior to yours...you currently can't say the same about your Yeti.
    Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ....
  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,882
    Standing down fellows. Sadly I got to get back to work. Will check in later when time allows. Remember though, RTIC and Pitmaker kick a$$ =)

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

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  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,882
    Half the price



     =) 
    Trouble maker ;)

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  • 4Runner
    4Runner Posts: 2,948
    SGH said:

    yeti copied engal.

    all yeti changed was the latches and took out the beam in the engal cover

     engal, first rotomolded cooler, the best rotomolded cooler. engals were built for serious use off shore,

    yeti was built for folks with deep pockets and no boat =)  

    All great points above brother fishless. Allow me if I may, to farther expand on the above quoted. Yeti copied (I won't say stole) a original idea, first with rotomolded coolers and then with vacume insulated cups. Yet some misinformed people (Yetitards) actually think that RTIC is somehow stealing from Yeti. If you do a little research and trace it back, Yeti is undeniably the original copy cat (I won't say thief). I hope all the other manufactures ultimately put Yeti out of business for their unethical, sue happy, cry baby tactics. Just because Yeti borrowed (I won't say stole) it first, they want to cry when someone else gets in on the game. Have you ever noticed when someone robs a bank that they really believe that the money they took is now theirs? This is the same thing that Yeti has done. The "hey we copied it first" (again I won't say stole) so it must be ours mentality. Rotomolding was invented by parts manufactures, not Yeti. Yeti copied the idea. Vacume insulation was no where in the realm of Yetis idea. Again, they copied it. Coolers were certainly not Yetis idea. Yet again they copied the idea. Everything that Yeti has ever done is based on someone else's idea and product. Plain and simple. The King of Copying is just crying because they are finally getting a dose of their own medicine. Every concept that went into Yeti coolers was taken from a original idea and product. Here are just a few of them, there are literally hundreds, nay I say thousands more. If you are one of the Yetitards that believes Yeti really created all things cooler related, then read the following very carefully. Or even better, get someone with some sense to read it and explain it to you. Most Yetitards have trouble comprehending the truth. Well here comes a lot of undeniable truths my friends:

    1. The cooler/portable ice chest is credited to being invented by Richard C. Laramy. Not Yeti nor anyone with even remotely associated with Yeti.

    2. Original patent issued on a cooler/portable ice chest was granted to Richard C. Laramy from Joliet, Illinois on 12-22-1951. Again, not Yeti.

    3. In 1957 The Coleman Company introduced the first all plastic cooler. Again, not Yeti.

    4. The first condensation polymer, polyester was produced by Jons Berzelius in 1847. Again, long before Yeti even existed.

    5. Alexander Parkes created the first made-made plastic in 1861. Again, not Yeti.

    6. John and Wesley Hyatt (brothers) patented the first injection moulding  machine in 1872. Again, not Yeti.

    7. Arthur Eichengrun developed the first injection molding press in 1919. He also patented the molding of plasticized cellulose acetate. Again, not Yeti.

    8. Polyethylene was first synthessized by Hans von Pechmann in 1898. Again, not Yeti.

    9. Vacume flasks/ cups was invented by Sir James Dewar in 1892. My God people, was Yeti actually first at anything? 

    10. Drinking cups were invented before recorded history. They can be traced back to the cavemen days. Yet some fools (Yetitards) believe that Yeti actually invented them. Go figure.

    11. Leon Guillet is credited with first creating the alloy that we call today stainless steel. Again, not Yeti. Anyone seeing a trend here? 

    12. Otto Bayer made the first polyurethane in 1937. Again people, not Yeti. 

    13. Their own name "Yeti". They didn't even invent this name. It is a rip off from the mythical creature said to inhabit the Himalayan region of Nepal, Bhutan and Tibet. Aka: The Abominable Snowman. Do I even need to say it?

    14. Here is one that everyone should love as there is something that should really jump out at you: The "Engel Process" was developed in the 1960's. The "Engel Process" allows for large hollow containers (coolers & cases) to be created in low-density polyethylene. Sounds to me that if anyone got "robbed" or copied it was Engel. Yet again, not Yeti. 

     If you missed it above, let me point it out to you. Engel is a brand name of rotomolded coolers as well. The name of the coolers is derived from the very process from which they are made from "The Engel Process", not the Yeti Process. From this alone we can see that Yeti is certainly not the creator of anything or it would be called the Yeti process, which it clearly is not. Yeti is a direct copy of the process, the raw material, the idea, the product, the invention and the patent. Yeti was not the first at anything. At best you could argue that they were around 20th at only one of the above. And that's actually giving them far more credit than they really deserve. So when they say that someone is stealing or copying their idea, a little research into history and the facts clearly prove that they are wrong. All the things I listed above are absolute fact. Anyone can look them up for themselves and I actually encourage you to do so. This is where Yeti gets you though, they figure that if you are stupid enough to pay the outrageous price for their products, then chances are that you are also stupid enough to just take their word when they say that they created all of the above and everyone is stealing from them. I understand brand loyalty, I really do. But brand loyalty and ingnorance of the facts are two different things all together. Read the facts above and decide for yourself if RTIC is really copying Yeti or is RTIC copying what Yeti has already copied themselves from hundreds of other inventors. And did RTIC really copy Yeti? I think not. Copy means to duplicate. RTIC did not duplicate Yeti. From what I see the lids and bottoms are much thicker than Yetis. The walls are even thicker. This is not duplicating or copying. This is improving over a obsolete design. At the end of the day, no matter how big of a fool Yeti has made out of you already, you can't be foolish enough to really believe that Yeti really invented any of the following:
    cups (of any kind)
    coolers (of any kind)
    rotomolded coolers
    rotational and injection molding 
    polyethylene powder
    polypropylene powder 
    polyurethane foam
    stainless steel
    vacume insulation method
    vacume process

    Most of the things on the list above has existed for at least a half century before Yeti, some of them for well over a century longer. So how in the heck can anyone really be copying Yeti? Get real people. So the next time you hear some idiot (Yetitard) touting that Yeti was first at anything, simply direct them to list above. Clearly they were the first at nothing except suckering gullible people out of their money. Their very name is not even original. They took it from a poor ole snowman who can't even defend himself. Kind of sad when you really think about it. 
    For the record I'm bored and just trolling. Just poking at the Yeti fanboys because like liberals, they are such easy targets just waiting to be had. However the list I made above (1-14) is 100% accurate. I posted it to dispel the myth that Yeti created anything even remotely related to coolers because in fact, they created nothing. They copied everything from coolers to cups. Even their name is a copy. I challenge anyone to prove any of it wrong. Hey before I sign off I know that most of you are aware that I have been working on a theme song for RTIC, I have previously posted the first 3 verses. Would y'all care to hear verse 4? I have it complete if anyone would like to hear it just let me know:o

    Yawn
    Joe - I'm a reformed gasser-holic aka 4Runner Columbia, SC Wonderful BGE Resource Site: http://www.nakedwhiz.com/ceramicfaq.htm and http://www.nibblemethis.com/  and http://playingwithfireandsmoke.blogspot.com/2006/02/recipes.html
    What am I drinking now?   Woodford....neat
  • cazzy
    cazzy Posts: 9,136
    4Runner said:
    SGH said:

    yeti copied engal.

    all yeti changed was the latches and took out the beam in the engal cover

     engal, first rotomolded cooler, the best rotomolded cooler. engals were built for serious use off shore,

    yeti was built for folks with deep pockets and no boat =)  

    All great points above brother fishless. Allow me if I may, to farther expand on the above quoted. Yeti copied (I won't say stole) a original idea, first with rotomolded coolers and then with vacume insulated cups. Yet some misinformed people (Yetitards) actually think that RTIC is somehow stealing from Yeti. If you do a little research and trace it back, Yeti is undeniably the original copy cat (I won't say thief). I hope all the other manufactures ultimately put Yeti out of business for their unethical, sue happy, cry baby tactics. Just because Yeti borrowed (I won't say stole) it first, they want to cry when someone else gets in on the game. Have you ever noticed when someone robs a bank that they really believe that the money they took is now theirs? This is the same thing that Yeti has done. The "hey we copied it first" (again I won't say stole) so it must be ours mentality. Rotomolding was invented by parts manufactures, not Yeti. Yeti copied the idea. Vacume insulation was no where in the realm of Yetis idea. Again, they copied it. Coolers were certainly not Yetis idea. Yet again they copied the idea. Everything that Yeti has ever done is based on someone else's idea and product. Plain and simple. The King of Copying is just crying because they are finally getting a dose of their own medicine. Every concept that went into Yeti coolers was taken from a original idea and product. Here are just a few of them, there are literally hundreds, nay I say thousands more. If you are one of the Yetitards that believes Yeti really created all things cooler related, then read the following very carefully. Or even better, get someone with some sense to read it and explain it to you. Most Yetitards have trouble comprehending the truth. Well here comes a lot of undeniable truths my friends:

    1. The cooler/portable ice chest is credited to being invented by Richard C. Laramy. Not Yeti nor anyone with even remotely associated with Yeti.

    2. Original patent issued on a cooler/portable ice chest was granted to Richard C. Laramy from Joliet, Illinois on 12-22-1951. Again, not Yeti.

    3. In 1957 The Coleman Company introduced the first all plastic cooler. Again, not Yeti.

    4. The first condensation polymer, polyester was produced by Jons Berzelius in 1847. Again, long before Yeti even existed.

    5. Alexander Parkes created the first made-made plastic in 1861. Again, not Yeti.

    6. John and Wesley Hyatt (brothers) patented the first injection moulding  machine in 1872. Again, not Yeti.

    7. Arthur Eichengrun developed the first injection molding press in 1919. He also patented the molding of plasticized cellulose acetate. Again, not Yeti.

    8. Polyethylene was first synthessized by Hans von Pechmann in 1898. Again, not Yeti.

    9. Vacume flasks/ cups was invented by Sir James Dewar in 1892. My God people, was Yeti actually first at anything? 

    10. Drinking cups were invented before recorded history. They can be traced back to the cavemen days. Yet some fools (Yetitards) believe that Yeti actually invented them. Go figure.

    11. Leon Guillet is credited with first creating the alloy that we call today stainless steel. Again, not Yeti. Anyone seeing a trend here? 

    12. Otto Bayer made the first polyurethane in 1937. Again people, not Yeti. 

    13. Their own name "Yeti". They didn't even invent this name. It is a rip off from the mythical creature said to inhabit the Himalayan region of Nepal, Bhutan and Tibet. Aka: The Abominable Snowman. Do I even need to say it?

    14. Here is one that everyone should love as there is something that should really jump out at you: The "Engel Process" was developed in the 1960's. The "Engel Process" allows for large hollow containers (coolers & cases) to be created in low-density polyethylene. Sounds to me that if anyone got "robbed" or copied it was Engel. Yet again, not Yeti. 

     If you missed it above, let me point it out to you. Engel is a brand name of rotomolded coolers as well. The name of the coolers is derived from the very process from which they are made from "The Engel Process", not the Yeti Process. From this alone we can see that Yeti is certainly not the creator of anything or it would be called the Yeti process, which it clearly is not. Yeti is a direct copy of the process, the raw material, the idea, the product, the invention and the patent. Yeti was not the first at anything. At best you could argue that they were around 20th at only one of the above. And that's actually giving them far more credit than they really deserve. So when they say that someone is stealing or copying their idea, a little research into history and the facts clearly prove that they are wrong. All the things I listed above are absolute fact. Anyone can look them up for themselves and I actually encourage you to do so. This is where Yeti gets you though, they figure that if you are stupid enough to pay the outrageous price for their products, then chances are that you are also stupid enough to just take their word when they say that they created all of the above and everyone is stealing from them. I understand brand loyalty, I really do. But brand loyalty and ingnorance of the facts are two different things all together. Read the facts above and decide for yourself if RTIC is really copying Yeti or is RTIC copying what Yeti has already copied themselves from hundreds of other inventors. And did RTIC really copy Yeti? I think not. Copy means to duplicate. RTIC did not duplicate Yeti. From what I see the lids and bottoms are much thicker than Yetis. The walls are even thicker. This is not duplicating or copying. This is improving over a obsolete design. At the end of the day, no matter how big of a fool Yeti has made out of you already, you can't be foolish enough to really believe that Yeti really invented any of the following:
    cups (of any kind)
    coolers (of any kind)
    rotomolded coolers
    rotational and injection molding 
    polyethylene powder
    polypropylene powder 
    polyurethane foam
    stainless steel
    vacume insulation method
    vacume process

    Most of the things on the list above has existed for at least a half century before Yeti, some of them for well over a century longer. So how in the heck can anyone really be copying Yeti? Get real people. So the next time you hear some idiot (Yetitard) touting that Yeti was first at anything, simply direct them to list above. Clearly they were the first at nothing except suckering gullible people out of their money. Their very name is not even original. They took it from a poor ole snowman who can't even defend himself. Kind of sad when you really think about it. 
    For the record I'm bored and just trolling. Just poking at the Yeti fanboys because like liberals, they are such easy targets just waiting to be had. However the list I made above (1-14) is 100% accurate. I posted it to dispel the myth that Yeti created anything even remotely related to coolers because in fact, they created nothing. They copied everything from coolers to cups. Even their name is a copy. I challenge anyone to prove any of it wrong. Hey before I sign off I know that most of you are aware that I have been working on a theme song for RTIC, I have previously posted the first 3 verses. Would y'all care to hear verse 4? I have it complete if anyone would like to hear it just let me know:o

    Yawn
    He put a lot of effort into that, but who really wants to read all that.   ;)
    Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ....
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 33,884
    And we still have around 20+ hours (EST) to keep this thread floating until the Friday night festivities kick-in.  Go forth and do great things til then.  And who knows after that...Be cool, regardless of the attraction of some Pulp Fiction divergence.
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • 4Runner
    4Runner Posts: 2,948
    cazzy said:
    Lmao....who cares if they copied Yeti.  I get it, y'all are butt hurt that y'all paid big money for a Yeti and some obnoxious company is selling a inferior/equivalent/superior product for half the price.  Yeti isn't publicly traded, so you guys aren't affected in the slightest. If anything, Yeti might lower their prices, because it's clear they are grossly marked up.  When did y'all get so fvcking sensitive?
    Not that at all.  In fact, I get it all you YETI wannabes purchasing a knockoff and wanting affirmation it's as good as the original..
    Joe - I'm a reformed gasser-holic aka 4Runner Columbia, SC Wonderful BGE Resource Site: http://www.nakedwhiz.com/ceramicfaq.htm and http://www.nibblemethis.com/  and http://playingwithfireandsmoke.blogspot.com/2006/02/recipes.html
    What am I drinking now?   Woodford....neat
  • cazzy
    cazzy Posts: 9,136
    I wonder of Snake River Farms invented the Wagyu?  You know what...I don't really care cause that sh!t is gooooooood.
    Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ....
  • cazzy
    cazzy Posts: 9,136
    edited November 2015
    4Runner said:
    cazzy said:
    Lmao....who cares if they copied Yeti.  I get it, y'all are butt hurt that y'all paid big money for a Yeti and some obnoxious company is selling a inferior/equivalent/superior product for half the price.  Yeti isn't publicly traded, so you guys aren't affected in the slightest. If anything, Yeti might lower their prices, because it's clear they are grossly marked up.  When did y'all get so fvcking sensitive?
    Not that at all.  In fact, I get it all you YETI wannabes purchasing a knockoff and wanting affirmation it's as good as the original..
    I can afford a YETI, but at the end of the day...it's a damn ice chest and could never see myself dropping that much coin on one. I didn't get the RTIC hoping it would be better than a YETI, I got it hoping it would be better than my Coleman and Igloo.  It is, so anything after that is a bonus.
    Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ....
  • 4Runner
    4Runner Posts: 2,948
    Yea but does a bear $hit in the woods?
    Joe - I'm a reformed gasser-holic aka 4Runner Columbia, SC Wonderful BGE Resource Site: http://www.nakedwhiz.com/ceramicfaq.htm and http://www.nibblemethis.com/  and http://playingwithfireandsmoke.blogspot.com/2006/02/recipes.html
    What am I drinking now?   Woodford....neat
  • Lit
    Lit Posts: 9,053
    cazzy said:
    Lit said:
    cazzy said:
    @SGH Who invented the Vertical Smoker?  Was it Backwoods? 
    Hey didn't you buy the more expensive vertical? I got the same smoker for half the price. 
    I'm very happy with my purchase though, and am not cying like a lil **** (oops, II mean trolling   =) ) in a Backwoods thread. Also, my smoker is surperior to yours...you currently can't say the same about your Yeti.
    Why would I be crying I spent the $1500 I saved on my smoker that's the same as yours and bought my proven Yeti coolers and still have like a grand left over.
  • cazzy
    cazzy Posts: 9,136
    4Runner said:
    Yea but does a bear $hit in the woods?

    Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ....
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    The new Friday
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • cazzy
    cazzy Posts: 9,136
    edited November 2015
    Lit said:
    cazzy said:
    Lit said:
    cazzy said:
    @SGH Who invented the Vertical Smoker?  Was it Backwoods? 
    Hey didn't you buy the more expensive vertical? I got the same smoker for half the price. 
    I'm very happy with my purchase though, and am not cying like a lil **** (oops, II mean trolling   =) ) in a Backwoods thread. Also, my smoker is surperior to yours...you currently can't say the same about your Yeti.
    Why would I be crying I spent the $1500 I saved on my smoker that's the same as yours and bought my proven Yeti coolers and still have like a grand left over.
    Haha...do some research bud...your pit is incredibly inferior...not the same.

    You really have been crying for about 16 pages and in the other RTIC threads.  Very clear that this thread has your vagina nice and moist.  
    Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ....
  • theyolksonyou
    theyolksonyou Posts: 18,459
    edited November 2015
    bgebrent said:
    The new Friday
    Apparently, every day's a Friday. My liver may fall out trying to keep up. 
  • Lit
    Lit Posts: 9,053
    cazzy said:
    Lit said:
    cazzy said:
    Lit said:
    cazzy said:
    @SGH Who invented the Vertical Smoker?  Was it Backwoods? 
    Hey didn't you buy the more expensive vertical? I got the same smoker for half the price. 
    I'm very happy with my purchase though, and am not cying like a lil **** (oops, II mean trolling   =) ) in a Backwoods thread. Also, my smoker is surperior to yours...you currently can't say the same about your Yeti.
    Why would I be crying I spent the $1500 I saved on my smoker that's the same as yours and bought my proven Yeti coolers and still have like a grand left over.
    Haha...do some research bud...your pit is incredibly inferior...not the same.

    You really have been crying for about 16 pages and in the other RTIC threads.  Very clear that this thread has your vagina nice and moist.  
    No sorry their website says superior quality so they are.
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    I have no chance of keeping up.  Nor does my liver.
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • cazzy
    cazzy Posts: 9,136
    edited November 2015
    Lit said:
    cazzy said:
    Lit said:
    cazzy said:
    Lit said:
    cazzy said:
    @SGH Who invented the Vertical Smoker?  Was it Backwoods? 
    Hey didn't you buy the more expensive vertical? I got the same smoker for half the price. 
    I'm very happy with my purchase though, and am not cying like a lil **** (oops, II mean trolling   =) ) in a Backwoods thread. Also, my smoker is surperior to yours...you currently can't say the same about your Yeti.
    Why would I be crying I spent the $1500 I saved on my smoker that's the same as yours and bought my proven Yeti coolers and still have like a grand left over.
    Haha...do some research bud...your pit is incredibly inferior...not the same.

    You really have been crying for about 16 pages and in the other RTIC threads.  Very clear that this thread has your vagina nice and moist.  
    No sorry their website says superior quality so they are.
    =) 
    Just a hack that makes some $hitty BBQ....
  • Jeremiah
    Jeremiah Posts: 6,412
    I've got nothing to add here except to say thank you. I've had a really crappy day and tomorrow will be worse as I have to fire someone I really don't want to fire.

    This thread and this forum is awesome as y'all go whole hearted with these really important topics.  

    Let's hear the new verse, Scottie. 
    Slumming it in Aiken, SC. 
  • Foghorn
    Foghorn Posts: 10,051
    bgebrent said:
    I have no chance of keeping up.  Nor does my liver.

    Your liver got rotted by Kentucky shine.

    XXL BGE, Karebecue, Klose BYC, Chargiller Akorn Kamado, Weber Smokey Mountain, Grand Turbo gasser, Weber Smoky Joe, and the wheelbarrow that my grandfather used to cook steaks from his cattle

    San Antonio, TX

  • feef706
    feef706 Posts: 853
    edited November 2015
    Tspud1 said:
    feef706 said:
    Yep my order placed on 1 October for a tan 20 has now delayed from 27 Dec to 14 Feb, not a big deal but stinks they keep pushing back
    Wonder why my tan says 1-1-16, maybe because I ordered in Aug
    Promised shipping dates do seem to correspond to order dates.  My shipping date for a tan 45 ordered 8/19 got moved from 12/2 to 1/1
    What I don't really understand is why additional orders after mine was placed would affect my ship date, other than I ordered tan and apparently that means I get to wait longer...
  • Jeremiah said:
    I've got nothing to add here except to say thank you. I've had a really crappy day and tomorrow will be worse as I have to fire someone I really don't want to fire. 


    been there and done that more times than I care to count. It doesn't get any easier. Hang in there, unfortunately it comes with the territory. 
  • Tspud1
    Tspud1 Posts: 1,514
    BIll-W221 said:
    Never heard of General Motors ?
    All built on same platform
  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    Was just a test.
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
  • SGH
    SGH Posts: 28,882
    Buffalo test.......

    Location- Just "this side" of Biloxi, Ms.

    Status- Standing by.

    The greatest barrier against all wisdom, the stronghold against knowledge itself, is the single thought, in ones mind, that they already have it all figured out.