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DoubleEgger

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

Ozzie_Isaac

ColtsFan said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Suffering through a Verizon outage.  Rely on phone for so many things when not at home.  I fell like it is 1992 again.

What's extremely odd to me is that my personal phone has zero service. SOS

My work phone, which is also Verizon, full signal and has been fine all day.

Same carrier
Same model phone
Same geographical area

My entire immediate family all had SOS until 2pm.  Friend right next door had no issues.  Looking forward to seeing the overall cause.

Ozzie_Isaac

DoubleEgger said:

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

He should have been indicted a long time ago.

lousubcap

That is the passing of two greats in their respective sports in their time.  For those who are wondering-give them a search and see what they offered to basketball and baseball.

Ozzie_Isaac

Taking advantage of a cooler evening.  96 deg.

Enjoying a nice brewed tea, a sunset, and making spaghetti sauce.

Botch

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

The Dislike was mine.  I didn't realize pete rose had passed; CBS didn't report it tonight, and PBS reported "the passing of two titans", Dikembe Mutombo and... Kris Kristofferson (sp?)  (and I missed @Battleborn 's post on the previous page, where I just got the proper spelling of Mutombo's name).  
 
Regardless, my "Dislike" stands.  Because I'd been raised by strict but ethical parents, I'd always believed that you got ahead by Obeying the Law, Following the Rules, Working Hard, and Doing the Right Thing.  After 40+ years and an early retirement driven by Frustration, I now realize that that's not how Life works.  At all.  Cheaters, Liars, good ol' boys, criminals and Loudmouths will mostly (not always) rise to the top.  I get it, now.  That is how LIfe works.  
And pete rose deserves NO further glorification; I don't care if he's dead.  /soapbox     

Ozzie_Isaac

Botch said:

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

The Dislike was mine.  I didn't realize pete rose had passed; CBS didn't report it tonight, and PBS reported "the passing of two titans", Dikembe Mutombo and... Kris Kristofferson (sp?)  (and I missed @Battleborn 's post on the previous page, where I just got the proper spelling of Mutombo's name).  
 
Regardless, my "Dislike" stands.  Because I'd been raised by strict but ethical parents, I'd always believed that you got ahead by Obeying the Law, Following the Rules, Working Hard, and Doing the Right Thing.  After 40+ years and an early retirement driven by Frustration, I now realize that that's not how Life works.  At all.  Cheaters, Liars, good ol' boys, criminals and Loudmouths will mostly (not always) rise to the top.  I get it, now.  That is how LIfe works.  
And pete rose deserves NO further glorification; I don't care if he's dead.  /soapbox     

You can live ethically and one should, and still do extremely well.

on the graduated scale of ethics, Pete Rose doesn’t even touch unethical by the standards of the 80s, 90s or aughts.  Probably not even his era.  He was lambasted because he refused to apologize to the MLB overlords.

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Botch said:

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

The Dislike was mine.  I didn't realize pete rose had passed; CBS didn't report it tonight, and PBS reported "the passing of two titans", Dikembe Mutombo and... Kris Kristofferson (sp?)  (and I missed @Battleborn 's post on the previous page, where I just got the proper spelling of Mutombo's name).  
 
Regardless, my "Dislike" stands.  Because I'd been raised by strict but ethical parents, I'd always believed that you got ahead by Obeying the Law, Following the Rules, Working Hard, and Doing the Right Thing.  After 40+ years and an early retirement driven by Frustration, I now realize that that's not how Life works.  At all.  Cheaters, Liars, good ol' boys, criminals and Loudmouths will mostly (not always) rise to the top.  I get it, now.  That is how LIfe works.  
And pete rose deserves NO further glorification; I don't care if he's dead.  /soapbox     

You can live ethically and one should, and still do extremely well.

on the graduated scale of ethics, Pete Rose doesn’t even touch unethical by the standards of the 80s, 90s or aughts.  Probably not even his era.  He was lambasted because he refused to apologize to the MLB overlords.

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.''

Baseball rule 21, posted in every professional clubhouse, since 1920.

Botch

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Botch said:

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

The Dislike was mine.  I didn't realize pete rose had passed; CBS didn't report it tonight, and PBS reported "the passing of two titans", Dikembe Mutombo and... Kris Kristofferson (sp?)  (and I missed @Battleborn 's post on the previous page, where I just got the proper spelling of Mutombo's name).  
 
Regardless, my "Dislike" stands.  Because I'd been raised by strict but ethical parents, I'd always believed that you got ahead by Obeying the Law, Following the Rules, Working Hard, and Doing the Right Thing.  After 40+ years and an early retirement driven by Frustration, I now realize that that's not how Life works.  At all.  Cheaters, Liars, good ol' boys, criminals and Loudmouths will mostly (not always) rise to the top.  I get it, now.  That is how LIfe works.  
And pete rose deserves NO further glorification; I don't care if he's dead.  /soapbox     

You can live ethically and one should, and still do extremely well.

on the graduated scale of ethics, Pete Rose doesn’t even touch unethical by the standards of the 80s, 90s or aughts.  Probably not even his era.  He was lambasted because he refused to apologize to the MLB overlords.

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.''

Baseball rule 21, posted in every professional clubhouse, since 1920.

Thank you.  
Our very US Constitution is now being ignored in the exact same manner.  

Botch

And @Buffalo /@Hannah/Heather/Heidi/Hepsibah/whatever your name was, please don't sink this thread because of my comments, rather, just nix my posts; thnx.  

Battleborn

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Botch said:

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

The Dislike was mine.  I didn't realize pete rose had passed; CBS didn't report it tonight, and PBS reported "the passing of two titans", Dikembe Mutombo and... Kris Kristofferson (sp?)  (and I missed @Battleborn 's post on the previous page, where I just got the proper spelling of Mutombo's name).  
 
Regardless, my "Dislike" stands.  Because I'd been raised by strict but ethical parents, I'd always believed that you got ahead by Obeying the Law, Following the Rules, Working Hard, and Doing the Right Thing.  After 40+ years and an early retirement driven by Frustration, I now realize that that's not how Life works.  At all.  Cheaters, Liars, good ol' boys, criminals and Loudmouths will mostly (not always) rise to the top.  I get it, now.  That is how LIfe works.  
And pete rose deserves NO further glorification; I don't care if he's dead.  /soapbox     

You can live ethically and one should, and still do extremely well.

on the graduated scale of ethics, Pete Rose doesn’t even touch unethical by the standards of the 80s, 90s or aughts.  Probably not even his era.  He was lambasted because he refused to apologize to the MLB overlords.

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.''

Baseball rule 21, posted in every professional clubhouse, since 1920.

The only problem with that is The Baseball Hall of Fame is not run or operated by the MLB. He is, without a doubt a Hall of Fame player. His lifetime ban remained and he was not embraced by the League. He should be there with Bonds, Clemens and Schilling. 

Battleborn

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Taking advantage of a cooler evening.  96 deg.

Enjoying a nice brewed tea, a sunset, and making spaghetti sauce.

That tea is better than anything produced across the big pond. 

JohnInCarolina

Battleborn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Botch said:

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

The Dislike was mine.  I didn't realize pete rose had passed; CBS didn't report it tonight, and PBS reported "the passing of two titans", Dikembe Mutombo and... Kris Kristofferson (sp?)  (and I missed @Battleborn 's post on the previous page, where I just got the proper spelling of Mutombo's name).  
 
Regardless, my "Dislike" stands.  Because I'd been raised by strict but ethical parents, I'd always believed that you got ahead by Obeying the Law, Following the Rules, Working Hard, and Doing the Right Thing.  After 40+ years and an early retirement driven by Frustration, I now realize that that's not how Life works.  At all.  Cheaters, Liars, good ol' boys, criminals and Loudmouths will mostly (not always) rise to the top.  I get it, now.  That is how LIfe works.  
And pete rose deserves NO further glorification; I don't care if he's dead.  /soapbox     

You can live ethically and one should, and still do extremely well.

on the graduated scale of ethics, Pete Rose doesn’t even touch unethical by the standards of the 80s, 90s or aughts.  Probably not even his era.  He was lambasted because he refused to apologize to the MLB overlords.

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.''

Baseball rule 21, posted in every professional clubhouse, since 1920.

The only problem with that is The Baseball Hall of Fame is not run or operated by the MLB. He is, without a doubt a Hall of Fame player. His lifetime ban remained and he was not embraced by the League. He should be there with Bonds, Clemens and Schilling. 

I actually wasn’t arguing, one way or another, as to whether he should be in the Hall of Fame.  

I was only taking issue with the assertion Ozzie made that Rose’s sin was relatively venial in nature.  On the contrary, betting on baseball has been a cardinal sin in MLB for over a century.

Ozzie_Isaac

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Botch said:

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

The Dislike was mine.  I didn't realize pete rose had passed; CBS didn't report it tonight, and PBS reported "the passing of two titans", Dikembe Mutombo and... Kris Kristofferson (sp?)  (and I missed @Battleborn 's post on the previous page, where I just got the proper spelling of Mutombo's name).  
 
Regardless, my "Dislike" stands.  Because I'd been raised by strict but ethical parents, I'd always believed that you got ahead by Obeying the Law, Following the Rules, Working Hard, and Doing the Right Thing.  After 40+ years and an early retirement driven by Frustration, I now realize that that's not how Life works.  At all.  Cheaters, Liars, good ol' boys, criminals and Loudmouths will mostly (not always) rise to the top.  I get it, now.  That is how LIfe works.  
And pete rose deserves NO further glorification; I don't care if he's dead.  /soapbox     

You can live ethically and one should, and still do extremely well.

on the graduated scale of ethics, Pete Rose doesn’t even touch unethical by the standards of the 80s, 90s or aughts.  Probably not even his era.  He was lambasted because he refused to apologize to the MLB overlords.

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.''

Baseball rule 21, posted in every professional clubhouse, since 1920.

The only problem with that is The Baseball Hall of Fame is not run or operated by the MLB. He is, without a doubt a Hall of Fame player. His lifetime ban remained and he was not embraced by the League. He should be there with Bonds, Clemens and Schilling. 

I actually wasn’t arguing, one way or another, as to whether he should be in the Hall of Fame.  

I was only taking issue with the assertion Ozzie made that Rose’s sin was relatively venial in nature.  On the contrary, betting on baseball has been a cardinal sin in MLB for over a century.

He should be HOF as a player, not a manager.  His “cardinal sin” occurred as a manager.  Steroids are a way bigger sin, they damage everyone in the game.  MLB doesn’t really work to address or punish because it makes the game more exciting for highlights and the casual watcher.  It is all big money entertainment, MLB hates Pete because he kept giving them the middle finger.

Botch

Battleborn said:
His lifetime ban remained and he was not embraced by the League. He should be there with Bonds, Clemens and Schilling. 

No.  bonds, clemens and schilling should be there with rose: banned. 

DoubleEgger

Botch said:

Battleborn said:
His lifetime ban remained and he was not embraced by the League. He should be there with Bonds, Clemens and Schilling. 

No.  bonds, clemens and schilling should be there with rose: banned. 

They should have banned the entire Astros organization for life according to your logic. 

WeberWho

Schilling should 100% be in the HOF

lousubcap

I offer you"Shoeless" Joe Jackson.  
Regarding the near term Astros-If Rob Manfred had a spine he would have vacated the title in 2018 but no chance as the $$ rule the world.  

Ozzie_Isaac

lousubcap said:

I offer you"Shoeless" Joe Jackson.  
Regarding the near term Astros-If Rob Manfred had a spine he would have vacated the title in 2018 but no chance as the $$ rule the world.  

100% agree with vacating the WS title.  The Astrix will always be that for me.  Should have banned every player for life too.

DoubleEgger

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Botch said:

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

The Dislike was mine.  I didn't realize pete rose had passed; CBS didn't report it tonight, and PBS reported "the passing of two titans", Dikembe Mutombo and... Kris Kristofferson (sp?)  (and I missed @Battleborn 's post on the previous page, where I just got the proper spelling of Mutombo's name).  
 
Regardless, my "Dislike" stands.  Because I'd been raised by strict but ethical parents, I'd always believed that you got ahead by Obeying the Law, Following the Rules, Working Hard, and Doing the Right Thing.  After 40+ years and an early retirement driven by Frustration, I now realize that that's not how Life works.  At all.  Cheaters, Liars, good ol' boys, criminals and Loudmouths will mostly (not always) rise to the top.  I get it, now.  That is how LIfe works.  
And pete rose deserves NO further glorification; I don't care if he's dead.  /soapbox     

You can live ethically and one should, and still do extremely well.

on the graduated scale of ethics, Pete Rose doesn’t even touch unethical by the standards of the 80s, 90s or aughts.  Probably not even his era.  He was lambasted because he refused to apologize to the MLB overlords.

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.''

Baseball rule 21, posted in every professional clubhouse, since 1920.

The only problem with that is The Baseball Hall of Fame is not run or operated by the MLB. He is, without a doubt a Hall of Fame player. His lifetime ban remained and he was not embraced by the League. He should be there with Bonds, Clemens and Schilling. 

I actually wasn’t arguing, one way or another, as to whether he should be in the Hall of Fame.  

I was only taking issue with the assertion Ozzie made that Rose’s sin was relatively venial in nature.  On the contrary, betting on baseball has been a cardinal sin in MLB for over a century.

He should be HOF as a player, not a manager.  His “cardinal sin” occurred as a manager.  

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee” - pretty sure that covers managers.  

Again, you guys keep arguing about the HOF.  I’m just pointing out that what he did was considered plenty terrible at the time.  Subsequent bad acts by others don’t really change that calculus.

DoubleEgger

Bad acts as a coach does not change the fact that his acts as player are HOF worthy. 

Also he fulfilled his punishment of the lifetime ban. 

billt01

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Botch said:

Pete Rose’s lifetime ban is over. Induct the man into the HOF. 

The Dislike was mine.  I didn't realize pete rose had passed; CBS didn't report it tonight, and PBS reported "the passing of two titans", Dikembe Mutombo and... Kris Kristofferson (sp?)  (and I missed @Battleborn 's post on the previous page, where I just got the proper spelling of Mutombo's name).  
 
Regardless, my "Dislike" stands.  Because I'd been raised by strict but ethical parents, I'd always believed that you got ahead by Obeying the Law, Following the Rules, Working Hard, and Doing the Right Thing.  After 40+ years and an early retirement driven by Frustration, I now realize that that's not how Life works.  At all.  Cheaters, Liars, good ol' boys, criminals and Loudmouths will mostly (not always) rise to the top.  I get it, now.  That is how LIfe works.  
And pete rose deserves NO further glorification; I don't care if he's dead.  /soapbox     

You can live ethically and one should, and still do extremely well.

on the graduated scale of ethics, Pete Rose doesn’t even touch unethical by the standards of the 80s, 90s or aughts.  Probably not even his era.  He was lambasted because he refused to apologize to the MLB overlords.

“Any player, umpire or club or league official or employee who shall bet any sum whatsoever upon any baseball game in connection with which the bettor has a duty to perform shall be declared permanently ineligible.''

Baseball rule 21, posted in every professional clubhouse, since 1920.

just have your assistant place the bets..

ah....AH....AHHHH...Otahani...

Bless me..

JohnInCarolina

DoubleEgger said:

Bad acts as a coach does not change the fact that his acts as player are HOF worthy. 

Also he fulfilled his punishment of the lifetime ban. 

Again, not the argument I’m making.

Regardless, as I understand it, for him to even be put on the ballot would require the commish to approve it.  The current one seemed to indicate that wouldn’t happen, even after Rose passed away.  We’ll see if that changes, but I kind of doubt it.

Ozzie_Isaac

Apparently me this interesting:

Legume

That's MLB having it both ways. They would get ripped for purging him completely, and it would be wrong.

Similar with Barry Bonds.  He could've been in the HOF for his time with Pittsburg alone, the smaller hat years.

Ozzie_Isaac

Legume said:

That's MLB having it both ways. They would get ripped for purging him completely, and it would be wrong.

Similar with Barry Bonds.  He could've been in the HOF for his time with Pittsburg alone, the smaller hat years.

I sometimes forget it’s all entertainment and big business.  The sport doesn’t matter.  At least WWE is honest about it.

DoubleEgger

Eating at the best BBQ place in the ATL. The tire people recommend it as well.