RIP--Charlie Kirk

lkapigian said:

JohnInCarolina said:

lkapigian said:

Legume said:

Larry, I agree, starts at home, but that's not the beginning and the end, agree?

Take a look around at how so many politicians speak out, carry themselves these days.  Compare the Obama administration or the Biden administration or any past administration from either side of the aisle to Trump and his maga ilk. Do you not see how that makes it more acceptable and how we've been on this downward slide when he has the megaphone?

It's amazing to me that people choose to make this the issue - how many shootings did we have just last week?  But my god, someone said something bad about a divisive maga podcaster that got killed.  

Are you not even curious why so many people hated him and make the choice to say bad things about him now? Some people just want harmony on the surface, regardless of what is going on under the water, but that's not really truth, is it. 

Absolutely agree to the it’s not the beginning or the end ( cheers my friend) to the point of the people hating him, I would offer up he pushed open dialogue up a notch to where many of those open dialogue is new territory and are used to “ not talking “ ( I go back to social media on that one and the solitude many lives are ) 

I'm hard pressed to understand how maintaining a "watch list" of college faculty, most of whom were from minority groups, is designed to push "open dialogue".  

I honestly don’t know much about that until the other day when you posted something about it, but from what I understand it’s not targeting individuals directly but rather those that discriminate against conservatives and push left leaning propaganda whoever they may be …. No idea why there is such a list nor do I agree or disagree with it

It lists faculty names, provides their photos, etc.  The list is what launched Kirk onto the national stage.  

Most of these faculty have received death threats solely by virtue of being on that list.  We’ve had to arrange private security for some of them.  None of that ever seemed to bother Kirk.

If that’s not targeting… what does targeting look like to you?

As for not agreeing or disagreeing with it… sheesh.  Take some time to learn about it, take a stand man. 

lkapigian said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Our page on the "watchlist"




I sense a pattern...

Regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with the existence of such a web page/project, or takes no position whatsoever, I hope we can all agree that this sort of thing is not designed to foster open dialogue.

Doxing is Not Ok, while I would not want to pay for an education that comes with a political slant either way, this is not what one does 

That’s right.

Full article here:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-ezra-klein-tanehisi-coates

Worth your time, regardless of what you think of Kirk.

Botch said:

lkapigian said:

JohnInCarolina said:

lkapigian said:

Legume said:

Larry, I agree, starts at home, but that's not the beginning and the end, agree?

Take a look around at how so many politicians speak out, carry themselves these days.  Compare the Obama administration or the Biden administration or any past administration from either side of the aisle to Trump and his maga ilk. Do you not see how that makes it more acceptable and how we've been on this downward slide when he has the megaphone?

It's amazing to me that people choose to make this the issue - how many shootings did we have just last week?  But my god, someone said something bad about a divisive maga podcaster that got killed.  

Are you not even curious why so many people hated him and make the choice to say bad things about him now? Some people just want harmony on the surface, regardless of what is going on under the water, but that's not really truth, is it. 

Absolutely agree to the it’s not the beginning or the end ( cheers my friend) to the point of the people hating him, I would offer up he pushed open dialogue up a notch to where many of those open dialogue is new territory and are used to “ not talking “ ( I go back to social media on that one and the solitude many lives are ) 

I'm hard pressed to understand how maintaining a "watch list" of college faculty, most of whom were from minority groups, is designed to push "open dialogue".  

I honestly don’t know much about that until the other day when you posted something about it, but from what I understand it’s not targeting individuals directly but rather those that discriminate against conservatives and push left leaning propaganda whoever they may be …. 

I don't understand this.  How can four minority professors "discriminate against conservatives"?  

Like I said earlier, never heard of it until John posted about it so I looked it up and simply quoted what the mission of the list was, nothing more that that, doxing is wrong period 


The mission of Professor Watchlist is to expose and document college professors who discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.

Botch said:

Gotcha, but would like to see some examples of them actually doing that.  

I concur 

I use to like this forum now I don't care much for some of the people on this forum . I will just egg alone , Good Riddance !

I can't understand why so many people believe every accusation that comes out of this administration and supporters. It's just embarrassing.

ColbyLang said:

For the same reason it’s believed when the shoe is on the other foot. 

I’m sorry but not everything is “both sides do it” - that’s just a cop out.  

calracefan said:

I use to like this forum now I don't care much for some of the people on this forum . I will just egg alone , Good Riddance !

This really did used to be a much more friendlier place!

JohnInCarolina said:

ColbyLang said:

For the same reason it’s believed when the shoe is on the other foot. 

I’m sorry but not everything is “both sides do it” - that’s just a cop out.  

Call it what you want, but the statement remains true. The general public believes 99.9% of what is spewed at them in the news. Pick your news source, you can find a contradicting narrative on their opposition site/source. 

lkapigian said:

lol, critical thinking skills and arguing positions … good in a classroom, divisive in a public place , I mean isn’t that exactly what Kirk was doing ?

It is not.  Kirk’s goal was sound bites and exchanges he could selectively edit into clips he’d use to raise money.  He was trying to mostly make a big show of how “stupid” young college students with liberal views were.  If you can’t see the difference, well…

Kirk wasn’t interested in actually getting people to think, as his watch list and other actions make readily apparent.  His pursuit was simply the straight line from hate->money.  That his pursuit was cloaked in a flag and carrying a cross doesn’t change that fundamental truth.

ColbyLang said:

JohnInCarolina said:

ColbyLang said:

For the same reason it’s believed when the shoe is on the other foot. 

I’m sorry but not everything is “both sides do it” - that’s just a cop out.  

Call it what you want, but the statement remains true. The general public believes 99.9% of what is spewed at them in the news. Pick your news source, you can find a contradicting narrative on their opposition site/source. 

  Of course people tend to rely on their priors, no argument there, but there is a large difference between the amount of misinformation this administration is spewing compared to any other one in recent memory.  Perhaps this current administration understands the current information dynamic in the US and is simply taking advantage of it, regardless of the consequences. That’s worth thinking about and discussing in terms of what it means for us as a country.

It’s funny but the goal of propaganda is not to get you to believe one side or another, but rather to get you to the point where you don’t trust ANY source of information.  I fear propaganda has largely accomplished that goal in the US, and we are all worse off for it.  

Tribalism on display. It's tough to let some things go. Especially when your family, social circle and business circle are highly aligned. It's like adolescent peer pressure all over again.

This is a big contributor to some states being mostly red or blue. This is why most of us grew up voting like our parents did and why identity politics is effective, especially when fear is the messaging.

Organized religion is fertile ground for it. Religion is the OG of identity politics, telling you how your religion, your god is the only true god and others are out to get you. Televangelists were the model for the modern conservative messengers - the world is bad and you should be afraid but I alone can save you and I take checks, credit cards and crypto.

Kind of ironic how Alex Jones spent so much time emploring people to wake up and not be sheeple.