RIP--Charlie Kirk

lkapigian

JohnInCarolina said:

lkapigian said:

Legume said:

Larry, I agree, starts at home, but that's not the beginning and the end, agree?

Take a look around at how so many politicians speak out, carry themselves these days.  Compare the Obama administration or the Biden administration or any past administration from either side of the aisle to Trump and his maga ilk. Do you not see how that makes it more acceptable and how we've been on this downward slide when he has the megaphone?

It's amazing to me that people choose to make this the issue - how many shootings did we have just last week?  But my god, someone said something bad about a divisive maga podcaster that got killed.  

Are you not even curious why so many people hated him and make the choice to say bad things about him now? Some people just want harmony on the surface, regardless of what is going on under the water, but that's not really truth, is it. 

Absolutely agree to the it’s not the beginning or the end ( cheers my friend) to the point of the people hating him, I would offer up he pushed open dialogue up a notch to where many of those open dialogue is new territory and are used to “ not talking “ ( I go back to social media on that one and the solitude many lives are ) 

I'm hard pressed to understand how maintaining a "watch list" of college faculty, most of whom were from minority groups, is designed to push "open dialogue".  

I honestly don’t know much about that until the other day when you posted something about it, but from what I understand it’s not targeting individuals directly but rather those that discriminate against conservatives and push left leaning propaganda whoever they may be …. No idea why there is such a list nor do I agree or disagree with it

Reminds me of when Linda looked me deeply in the eyes one day and said “ the last thing I would ever want to do is hurt you “ my heart just melted, then I thought “ she must have a list and hurting me is on it”

all joking aside , I Fvcking hate all of this , we all all humans and it’s not that hard to treat each other with compassion and respect, I’ll never be you, you’ll never be me, we are all unique just like everyone else

JohnInCarolina

lkapigian said:

JohnInCarolina said:

lkapigian said:

Legume said:

Larry, I agree, starts at home, but that's not the beginning and the end, agree?

Take a look around at how so many politicians speak out, carry themselves these days.  Compare the Obama administration or the Biden administration or any past administration from either side of the aisle to Trump and his maga ilk. Do you not see how that makes it more acceptable and how we've been on this downward slide when he has the megaphone?

It's amazing to me that people choose to make this the issue - how many shootings did we have just last week?  But my god, someone said something bad about a divisive maga podcaster that got killed.  

Are you not even curious why so many people hated him and make the choice to say bad things about him now? Some people just want harmony on the surface, regardless of what is going on under the water, but that's not really truth, is it. 

Absolutely agree to the it’s not the beginning or the end ( cheers my friend) to the point of the people hating him, I would offer up he pushed open dialogue up a notch to where many of those open dialogue is new territory and are used to “ not talking “ ( I go back to social media on that one and the solitude many lives are ) 

I'm hard pressed to understand how maintaining a "watch list" of college faculty, most of whom were from minority groups, is designed to push "open dialogue".  

I honestly don’t know much about that until the other day when you posted something about it, but from what I understand it’s not targeting individuals directly but rather those that discriminate against conservatives and push left leaning propaganda whoever they may be …. No idea why there is such a list nor do I agree or disagree with it

It lists faculty names, provides their photos, etc.  The list is what launched Kirk onto the national stage.  

Most of these faculty have received death threats solely by virtue of being on that list.  We’ve had to arrange private security for some of them.  None of that ever seemed to bother Kirk.

If that’s not targeting… what does targeting look like to you?

As for not agreeing or disagreeing with it… sheesh.  Take some time to learn about it, take a stand man. 

JohnInCarolina

Our page on the "watchlist"




I sense a pattern...

Regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with the existence of such a web page/project, or takes no position whatsoever, I hope we can all agree that this sort of thing is not designed to foster open dialogue.

Ozzie_Isaac

Open dialogue is a joke today.

Trump and his ilk can say and do whatever they want and the Supreme Court (ironically capitalized because they are terrible) rubber stamp whatever he wants.

If you disagree or make a joke about him he sues you for $15 Billion dollars after sicking the courts and his brownshirts on you.

when are people going to wake up and realize he is out for all your rights.  This won’t be fixed soon and the damage may be too great.

lkapigian

JohnInCarolina said:

Our page on the "watchlist"




I sense a pattern...

Regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with the existence of such a web page/project, or takes no position whatsoever, I hope we can all agree that this sort of thing is not designed to foster open dialogue.

Doxing is Not Ok, while I would not want to pay for an education that comes with a political slant either way, this is not what one does 

JohnInCarolina

lkapigian said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Our page on the "watchlist"




I sense a pattern...

Regardless of whether one agrees or disagrees with the existence of such a web page/project, or takes no position whatsoever, I hope we can all agree that this sort of thing is not designed to foster open dialogue.

Doxing is Not Ok, while I would not want to pay for an education that comes with a political slant either way, this is not what one does 

That’s right.

lkapigian

Strange time when not one, not two but three political assassins appear in court the same day 

JohnInCarolina

Full article here:

https://www.vanityfair.com/news/story/charlie-kirk-ezra-klein-tanehisi-coates

Worth your time, regardless of what you think of Kirk.

Botch

lkapigian said:

JohnInCarolina said:

lkapigian said:

Legume said:

Larry, I agree, starts at home, but that's not the beginning and the end, agree?

Take a look around at how so many politicians speak out, carry themselves these days.  Compare the Obama administration or the Biden administration or any past administration from either side of the aisle to Trump and his maga ilk. Do you not see how that makes it more acceptable and how we've been on this downward slide when he has the megaphone?

It's amazing to me that people choose to make this the issue - how many shootings did we have just last week?  But my god, someone said something bad about a divisive maga podcaster that got killed.  

Are you not even curious why so many people hated him and make the choice to say bad things about him now? Some people just want harmony on the surface, regardless of what is going on under the water, but that's not really truth, is it. 

Absolutely agree to the it’s not the beginning or the end ( cheers my friend) to the point of the people hating him, I would offer up he pushed open dialogue up a notch to where many of those open dialogue is new territory and are used to “ not talking “ ( I go back to social media on that one and the solitude many lives are ) 

I'm hard pressed to understand how maintaining a "watch list" of college faculty, most of whom were from minority groups, is designed to push "open dialogue".  

I honestly don’t know much about that until the other day when you posted something about it, but from what I understand it’s not targeting individuals directly but rather those that discriminate against conservatives and push left leaning propaganda whoever they may be …. 

I don't understand this.  How can four minority professors "discriminate against conservatives"?  

lkapigian

Botch said:

lkapigian said:

JohnInCarolina said:

lkapigian said:

Legume said:

Larry, I agree, starts at home, but that's not the beginning and the end, agree?

Take a look around at how so many politicians speak out, carry themselves these days.  Compare the Obama administration or the Biden administration or any past administration from either side of the aisle to Trump and his maga ilk. Do you not see how that makes it more acceptable and how we've been on this downward slide when he has the megaphone?

It's amazing to me that people choose to make this the issue - how many shootings did we have just last week?  But my god, someone said something bad about a divisive maga podcaster that got killed.  

Are you not even curious why so many people hated him and make the choice to say bad things about him now? Some people just want harmony on the surface, regardless of what is going on under the water, but that's not really truth, is it. 

Absolutely agree to the it’s not the beginning or the end ( cheers my friend) to the point of the people hating him, I would offer up he pushed open dialogue up a notch to where many of those open dialogue is new territory and are used to “ not talking “ ( I go back to social media on that one and the solitude many lives are ) 

I'm hard pressed to understand how maintaining a "watch list" of college faculty, most of whom were from minority groups, is designed to push "open dialogue".  

I honestly don’t know much about that until the other day when you posted something about it, but from what I understand it’s not targeting individuals directly but rather those that discriminate against conservatives and push left leaning propaganda whoever they may be …. 

I don't understand this.  How can four minority professors "discriminate against conservatives"?  

Like I said earlier, never heard of it until John posted about it so I looked it up and simply quoted what the mission of the list was, nothing more that that, doxing is wrong period 


The mission of Professor Watchlist is to expose and document college professors who discriminate against conservative students and advance leftist propaganda in the classroom.

Botch

Gotcha, but would like to see some examples of them actually doing that.  

lkapigian

Botch said:

Gotcha, but would like to see some examples of them actually doing that.  

I concur 

JohnInCarolina

Always remarkable just how many people seem to think they know what goes down inside a college classroom despite not having stepped inside one anytime this century.  

95 percent of the time, it doesn’t have anything to do with politics.  Trump doesn’t come up in classes on differential equations or organic chemistry or even macro-economics, I promise you.  Nobody is being brainwashed or discriminated against, despite what you might have been told.

Yes, you can find examples online where it sure seems like the instructor is a raging commie who does nothing other than sing the praises of Karl Marx or whatnot.  The lie is that this is ubiquitous, rather than being an exception.  

Lastly, most of these kids are perfectly capable of thinking for themselves.  That’s part of how they got in here in the first place.  

calracefan

I use to like this forum now I don't care much for some of the people on this forum . I will just egg alone , Good Riddance !

Ozzie_Isaac

My favorite professors were ones who taught and challenged my views - if my views are so weak I can’t deal with a professor for 45 minutes challenging my position then I don’t deserve to say I have a position.

Legume

I can't understand why so many people believe every accusation that comes out of this administration and supporters. It's just embarrassing.

ColbyLang

For the same reason it’s believed when the shoe is on the other foot. 

JohnInCarolina

ColbyLang said:

For the same reason it’s believed when the shoe is on the other foot. 

I’m sorry but not everything is “both sides do it” - that’s just a cop out.  

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

My favorite professors were ones who taught and challenged my views - if my views are so weak I can’t deal with a professor for 45 minutes challenging my position then I don’t deserve to say I have a position.

Politics never comes up in my classes, but they do in some of my colleagues.  To a person, as instructors they will argue whatever position is on the other side from the majority of the class.  The reason is simple: it’s the only way the students develop critical thinking skills.  You don’t learn how to argue a position when everyone agrees with you.

JohnInCarolina

calracefan said:

I use to like this forum now I don't care much for some of the people on this forum . I will just egg alone , Good Riddance !

This really did used to be a much more friendlier place!

lkapigian

lol, critical thinking skills and arguing positions … good in a classroom, divisive in a public place , I mean isn’t that exactly what Kirk was doing ?

ColbyLang

JohnInCarolina said:

ColbyLang said:

For the same reason it’s believed when the shoe is on the other foot. 

I’m sorry but not everything is “both sides do it” - that’s just a cop out.  

Call it what you want, but the statement remains true. The general public believes 99.9% of what is spewed at them in the news. Pick your news source, you can find a contradicting narrative on their opposition site/source. 

Qular

There are lies everywhere, and few people can be trusted, especially the news.

JohnInCarolina

lkapigian said:

lol, critical thinking skills and arguing positions … good in a classroom, divisive in a public place , I mean isn’t that exactly what Kirk was doing ?

It is not.  Kirk’s goal was sound bites and exchanges he could selectively edit into clips he’d use to raise money.  He was trying to mostly make a big show of how “stupid” young college students with liberal views were.  If you can’t see the difference, well…

Kirk wasn’t interested in actually getting people to think, as his watch list and other actions make readily apparent.  His pursuit was simply the straight line from hate->money.  That his pursuit was cloaked in a flag and carrying a cross doesn’t change that fundamental truth.

JohnInCarolina

Excerpts from the article I posted, above.  Suffice it to say, these are not the words and actions of a man with altruistic goals:

JohnInCarolina

ColbyLang said:

JohnInCarolina said:

ColbyLang said:

For the same reason it’s believed when the shoe is on the other foot. 

I’m sorry but not everything is “both sides do it” - that’s just a cop out.  

Call it what you want, but the statement remains true. The general public believes 99.9% of what is spewed at them in the news. Pick your news source, you can find a contradicting narrative on their opposition site/source. 

  Of course people tend to rely on their priors, no argument there, but there is a large difference between the amount of misinformation this administration is spewing compared to any other one in recent memory.  Perhaps this current administration understands the current information dynamic in the US and is simply taking advantage of it, regardless of the consequences. That’s worth thinking about and discussing in terms of what it means for us as a country.

It’s funny but the goal of propaganda is not to get you to believe one side or another, but rather to get you to the point where you don’t trust ANY source of information.  I fear propaganda has largely accomplished that goal in the US, and we are all worse off for it.  

DoubleEgger

When one sees how much money Alex Jones has made, it’s not hard to understand why younger conservative influencers would want to follow a similar playbook. 

Legume

Tribalism on display. It's tough to let some things go. Especially when your family, social circle and business circle are highly aligned. It's like adolescent peer pressure all over again.

This is a big contributor to some states being mostly red or blue. This is why most of us grew up voting like our parents did and why identity politics is effective, especially when fear is the messaging.

Organized religion is fertile ground for it. Religion is the OG of identity politics, telling you how your religion, your god is the only true god and others are out to get you. Televangelists were the model for the modern conservative messengers - the world is bad and you should be afraid but I alone can save you and I take checks, credit cards and crypto.

Kind of ironic how Alex Jones spent so much time emploring people to wake up and not be sheeple.

DoubleEgger

I wonder why that is Tommy…

Tuberville said he did not see much to gain by trying find common ground with those on the opposite side of the political spectrum.

“To my Republican colleagues, if you’re going to go out and make friends with them, all you’re going to do is end up fighting on their side.

https://www.al.com/politics/2025/09/tuberville-says-unity-is-a-mistake-after-charlie-kirk-murder-theres-no-healing-with-the-left.html?utm_campaign=aldotcom_sf&utm_medium=social&utm_source=facebook&fbclid=IwdGRleAM3vqhleHRuA2FlbQIxMQABHhDTpfE81d7iV2fYoPYgmYQtowdLOGQ5qSauI4K3X1YlxjMMjc-OZsykThO-_aem_B8tUiAc5_jNw5l4x10CTWw

Ozzie_Isaac

Legume said:

Tribalism on display. It's tough to let some things go. Especially when your family, social circle and business circle are highly aligned. It's like adolescent peer pressure all over again.

This is a big contributor to some states being mostly red or blue. This is why most of us grew up voting like our parents did and why identity politics is effective, especially when fear is the messaging.

Organized religion is fertile ground for it. Religion is the OG of identity politics, telling you how your religion, your god is the only true god and others are out to get you. Televangelists were the model for the modern conservative messengers - the world is bad and you should be afraid but I alone can save you and I take checks, credit cards and crypto.

Kind of ironic how Alex Jones spent so much time emploring people to wake up and not be sheeple.

It came up a while back with my family that I was liberal.  My mom said “well, I will still love you “

My sister said “yeah, I’ve known for a long time”

🤣🤣🤣