Tomorrow (11/5), voting is your fundamental citizen responsibility-VOTE!

billt01 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

The most recent estimate for the final tally of votes I saw, citing the Associated Press, is anticipating that the 2024 popular vote count total will be 700,000 votes smaller than in 2020.  This was posted yesterday.

But yeah, I know, the AP is part of the deep state too...  

that’s interesting 

unless I am missing a group of votes..

the Total number of votes in 2020 (including the independent vote) and the current tally is further off than this..

SGH said:

With a little quick Googling, the first US filibuster was used September 22, 1789. With that said, it’s been around long enough to be left alone. In my humble opinion of course. 

I have never liked for anyone to try and change the rules for their own benefit or personal gain. Be it a sports league, a group of people, a church etc etc. As much as I admire Trump, I hope he don’t mess with it. He won the White House, has control of the Senate and probably the House. That’s good enough. Don’t start changing rules. 

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

I am curious to know what would Trump had to have done for people not to vote for him? Let's ignore all the rapey and racist things; he is almost 80 and from a different generation when that was manly.  Let's also ignore the threats of hanging generals and killing reporters; when you listen to the sound bites you can tell he didn't say it that blatantly, he beat around the bush and hinted at it, but didn't say it.

1. He stole Top Secret documents and showed them to various leaders across the middle east.  Many who we would not consider allies.
2. He refused to give them back and said he could do whatever he wanted because he had been president.
3. He has direct ties to Putin and talks about dictators with reverence.
4. He has shown war plans and strategies to dictators.

Coming from that world, I would have been in jail, hell I could still be tossed in jail for disclosing things that have repercussions not even 1/1000th of that.  This is my big hangup.  We have spent trillions of dollars developing our war machine, and he just willy-nilly shows our secrets to enemies over cocktails because it is "cool".  I remember a time when commies were the sworn blood enemy of the USA. When did that change?  I feel like Trump could have got down on his knees and blown Putin while jerking off Kim Jon Un with one hand and Viktor Orbán with the other, and he still would have won.

To me that is an indictment of Kamala and her policies, which are an extension of Bidens.  None of Trumps bad behaviors were hidden, hell he treated them like badges of honor.  The Democrats lost this more than Trump won it.  They lived in their own echo chamber and lost because of it.  They continually discounted all the polls showing Trump in the lead and kept saying it was impossible for him to win.  It is almost like they don't know Americans.

They keep trying to remake America and they think we can be better than we are.  Maybe Americans just don’t want to be or do better.  Maybe they just want their fast cars, loose women, and the easy life.

“Democrats deserve the blame for not understanding how truly despicable the American people are!” is… an interesting position to take.

Honest question, why do you think Harris/The Democratic Machine lost? Maybe you have said it previously here and I missed it. 

I think we have a tendency to want to find one big reason to explain events, regardless of what they are.  It’s just kind of a human thing, to try and simplify a world that’s increasingly complex.  All of that is to say that I think there are lots of reasons why Trump won the election.  I see a lot of people here, on both the right and the left, who are all too eager to chime in and try and say it just confirms one of their priors.  

As I indicated earlier in the thread, my operating assumption for some time has been that Trump was going to win.  I had lots of reasons for this belief, but frankly the main one was that there are lots of people who rightfully see things as being more expensive, and they are blaming the party in the White House for it.  I don’t think that diagnosis on their part is correct, but it seems clear that’s what they believe.  People hate inflation, and they want someone to blame for it.  They have also been sold a bill of goods, because there is nothing in any one of the things Trump is planning to do that will cause prices to come back down to 2020 levels. If anything, what he’s proposing will exacerbate inflation.  

I have a hard time believing that lots of Americans actually support some of the more cruel policies Trump has been advocating, like mass deportation.  But maybe that’s just naïveté on my part.  Time will tell.  

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

I am curious to know what would Trump had to have done for people not to vote for him? Let's ignore all the rapey and racist things; he is almost 80 and from a different generation when that was manly.  Let's also ignore the threats of hanging generals and killing reporters; when you listen to the sound bites you can tell he didn't say it that blatantly, he beat around the bush and hinted at it, but didn't say it.

1. He stole Top Secret documents and showed them to various leaders across the middle east.  Many who we would not consider allies.
2. He refused to give them back and said he could do whatever he wanted because he had been president.
3. He has direct ties to Putin and talks about dictators with reverence.
4. He has shown war plans and strategies to dictators.

Coming from that world, I would have been in jail, hell I could still be tossed in jail for disclosing things that have repercussions not even 1/1000th of that.  This is my big hangup.  We have spent trillions of dollars developing our war machine, and he just willy-nilly shows our secrets to enemies over cocktails because it is "cool".  I remember a time when commies were the sworn blood enemy of the USA. When did that change?  I feel like Trump could have got down on his knees and blown Putin while jerking off Kim Jon Un with one hand and Viktor Orbán with the other, and he still would have won.

To me that is an indictment of Kamala and her policies, which are an extension of Bidens.  None of Trumps bad behaviors were hidden, hell he treated them like badges of honor.  The Democrats lost this more than Trump won it.  They lived in their own echo chamber and lost because of it.  They continually discounted all the polls showing Trump in the lead and kept saying it was impossible for him to win.  It is almost like they don't know Americans.

They keep trying to remake America and they think we can be better than we are.  Maybe Americans just don’t want to be or do better.  Maybe they just want their fast cars, loose women, and the easy life.

“Democrats deserve the blame for not understanding how truly despicable the American people are!” is… an interesting position to take.

Honest question, why do you think Harris/The Democratic Machine lost? Maybe you have said it previously here and I missed it. 

I think we have a tendency to want to find one big reason to explain events, regardless of what they are.  It’s just kind of a human thing, to try and simplify a world that’s increasingly complex.  All of that is to say that I think there are lots of reasons why Trump won the election.  I see a lot of people here, on both the right and the left, who are all too eager to chime in and try and say it just confirms one of their priors.  

As I indicated earlier in the thread, my operating assumption for some time has been that Trump was going to win.  I had lots of reasons for this belief, but frankly the main one was that there are lots of people who rightfully see things as being more expensive, and they are blaming the party in the White House for it.  I don’t think that diagnosis on their part is correct, but it seems clear that’s what they believe.  People hate inflation, and they want someone to blame for it.  They have also been sold a bill of goods, because there is nothing in any one of the things Trump is planning to do that will cause prices to come back down to 2020 levels. If anything, what he’s proposing will exacerbate inflation.  

I have a hard time believing that lots of Americans actually support some of the more cruel policies Trump has been advocating, like mass deportation.  But maybe that’s just naïveté on my part.  Time will tell.  

So it seems you are basically telling us it doesn’t matter what party is in place and their policies have little effect on what we are seeing. 

Trump was more business friendly. You simply can’t tax the country into prosperity. Then we have the massive influx of illegal immigrates. We know why they wanted it but you can’t blame Americans for wanting an immigration system that’s fair to everyone else. Even the Latinos here voted in
higher numbers because of this. 

And you will not admit it but many could see how Trump was constantly being attacked by his political opponents with countless lawsuits and made up garbage. When they see how unjustly he was treated they could not stand by and see such an abuse of power. 

The democrats are trying to point fingers and analyze why they lost but they don’t want to change how they treat Americans. Their power and control is all they want. 

I remember being mocked by you resident libs here about how bad people had it and so many were hurting in this economy. Yet even now you won’t take any ownership of why. 

Legume said:

Admiring Trump, smdh.
 what is it you admire about the man?

JohnInCarolina said:

I’m surprised you didn’t mention his loyalty, as evidenced by his three marriages and multiple affairs, his prowess/finesse with women, his perfect physique, perfect tan, and his incredible head of hair.  

SGH said:

Legume said:

Admiring Trump, smdh.
 what is it you admire about the man?

Where do I even start? I guess first I will quote an old but true saying; “The eyes are useless when the mind is blind”. That saying describes the entire left and people that just hate Trump for whatever reason. 

So why do I admire him? To see his many attributes you don’t need a second glance if your mind is not blind. But to point out a few and in no particular order. 

1. His honesty. ... ummm, wut?

2. His resilience. He never gives up no matter the odds against him. Just look what they have put him through the last 8 years. 

3. He is very pro American. 

4. He is very pro second amendment.  https://www.gunviolencearchive.org/reports/mass-shooting

5. He is strict on immigration. 

6. He puts America first. 

7. He don’t bow down the oddballs and weirdos. see 1.

8. His integrity. Something most people lack now unfortunately. Again, see 1.

9. He tells it like it is even if the little snowflakes start to melt. He tells what folks want to hear, because... votes.

10. He is for the oil industry.
11. He is an American. A real American. Yes, General Bone Spurs definitely is that. 

12. He is against the “green” crap.

I could sit here and keep on for days. But I hit a few of the highlights. I will end it with his most important attribute. He is a good, God fearing Christian man. God bless Donald Trump and God bless the USA 🙏

caliking said:

WildmanWilson said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Battleborn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

I am curious to know what would Trump had to have done for people not to vote for him? Let's ignore all the rapey and racist things; he is almost 80 and from a different generation when that was manly.  Let's also ignore the threats of hanging generals and killing reporters; when you listen to the sound bites you can tell he didn't say it that blatantly, he beat around the bush and hinted at it, but didn't say it.

1. He stole Top Secret documents and showed them to various leaders across the middle east.  Many who we would not consider allies.
2. He refused to give them back and said he could do whatever he wanted because he had been president.
3. He has direct ties to Putin and talks about dictators with reverence.
4. He has shown war plans and strategies to dictators.

Coming from that world, I would have been in jail, hell I could still be tossed in jail for disclosing things that have repercussions not even 1/1000th of that.  This is my big hangup.  We have spent trillions of dollars developing our war machine, and he just willy-nilly shows our secrets to enemies over cocktails because it is "cool".  I remember a time when commies were the sworn blood enemy of the USA. When did that change?  I feel like Trump could have got down on his knees and blown Putin while jerking off Kim Jon Un with one hand and Viktor Orbán with the other, and he still would have won.

To me that is an indictment of Kamala and her policies, which are an extension of Bidens.  None of Trumps bad behaviors were hidden, hell he treated them like badges of honor.  The Democrats lost this more than Trump won it.  They lived in their own echo chamber and lost because of it.  They continually discounted all the polls showing Trump in the lead and kept saying it was impossible for him to win.  It is almost like they don't know Americans.

They keep trying to remake America and they think we can be better than we are.  Maybe Americans just don’t want to be or do better.  Maybe they just want their fast cars, loose women, and the easy life.

“Democrats deserve the blame for not understanding how truly despicable the American people are!” is… an interesting position to take.

Honest question, why do you think Harris/The Democratic Machine lost? Maybe you have said it previously here and I missed it. 

I think we have a tendency to want to find one big reason to explain events, regardless of what they are.  It’s just kind of a human thing, to try and simplify a world that’s increasingly complex.  All of that is to say that I think there are lots of reasons why Trump won the election.  I see a lot of people here, on both the right and the left, who are all too eager to chime in and try and say it just confirms one of their priors.  

As I indicated earlier in the thread, my operating assumption for some time has been that Trump was going to win.  I had lots of reasons for this belief, but frankly the main one was that there are lots of people who rightfully see things as being more expensive, and they are blaming the party in the White House for it.  I don’t think that diagnosis on their part is correct, but it seems clear that’s what they believe.  People hate inflation, and they want someone to blame for it.  They have also been sold a bill of goods, because there is nothing in any one of the things Trump is planning to do that will cause prices to come back down to 2020 levels. If anything, what he’s proposing will exacerbate inflation.  

I have a hard time believing that lots of Americans actually support some of the more cruel policies Trump has been advocating, like mass deportation.  But maybe that’s just naïveté on my part.  Time will tell.  

So it seems you are basically telling us it doesn’t matter what party is in place and their policies have little effect on what we are seeing. 

Trump was more business friendly. You simply can’t tax the country into prosperity. Then we have the massive influx of illegal immigrates. We know why they wanted it but you can’t blame Americans for wanting an immigration system that’s fair to everyone else. Even the Latinos here voted in
higher numbers because of this. 

And you will not admit it but many could see how Trump was constantly being attacked by his political opponents with countless lawsuits and made up garbage. When they see how unjustly he was treated they could not stand by and see such an abuse of power. 

The democrats are trying to point fingers and analyze why they lost but they don’t want to change how they treat Americans. Their power and control is all they want. 

I remember being mocked by you resident libs here about how bad people had it and so many were hurting in this economy. Yet even now you won’t take any ownership of why. 

  @JohnInCarolina - maybe it’s because I live in TX, but I say it is naïveté on your part. Many folks here are fully on board with every cockamamie idea the Trumpster Fire has. 

alaskanassasin said:

“Magats” nice @caliking.  The main theme of your response was Lies! Lies!  The democrats have been trying to hide the biggest lie in my lifetime, Joe Bidens cognitive health, or the vaccine will stop the spread. They all lie, Kamala is pro fracking lol.   

 “It should be noted that many brave patriots have suddenly become more vocal on the forum”
 Democrats never stop man, 2016-2020 the home page of this forum 80% trump bashing 20% bbq posts. Look at Reddit, melting down. You guys never stop crying and pushing your agenda and if someone doesn’t agree with it you attack by throwing tantrums or acting like you are better than everyone who didn’t vote with you. A few weeks ago a member posted that it’s great that we supply weapons to kill Russians, I was more of the opinion that war is bad, kids fighting kids and no one wants to be there, so I was accused of “publicly supporting Putin”.  I guess the republicans don’t see a need to push their agenda online and be attacked by a bunch of keyboard cowboys.

alaskanassasin said:

I saw that the first time he posted it, it’s **** disgusting. Definitely not something I would save on my computer and use to win arguments.