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You’d prefer a private one that only puts out the fires for paying customers and will only use as much water as you’ve paid for in advance?alaskanassasin said:
Why don't we have private fire departments?JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah I just don’t equate government services with private business. We don’t have private fire departments and whatnot for a good reason.ColbyLang said:
It’s like every other business in this world……gotta pivot or become dead in the water. How many restaurants folded during Covid cus of no take out/delivery service? The good ones pivoted. Menus adapted. They hit the grind to survive. USPS has not gotten better, only worse.JohnInCarolina said:
I think this notion that the private sector can always run things better is pretty misguided. The private sector is driven first and foremost by the ability to turn a profit. That’s the incentive. The public good is a tertiary consideration, if at all.ColbyLang said:
But it is. It’s the new norm. The excuses are just piling up. The federal government should get a valuation of the USPS and sell it. Let someone who can run it, buy it and show the government how to do it properly. Doesn’t have to operate at shark tank valuations to prove worth….just be profitable.JohnInCarolina said:
Nobody is saying that.ColbyLang said:So sub par service is just now acceptable? No thanks. Anything that has to be there on time is FedEx or UPS. Bills are paid onlineIssue’s always arise in paying for retirement plans/benefits for those 1000’s of employees who have retired. It’s bankrupted 100’s of companies.
There are some services that really do make sense for the government to provide to the public, at a base level. I’m not sure that mail has to be one but it seems like a fairly basic service that’s solidly in the government wheelhouse. I’m fairly certain that’s the case at most Western countries.
I’m not saying the USPS is perfect. Far from it. I just don’t see selling it off as being the appropriate thing to do. It probably should just be subsidized or something as it ramps down and transitions away from a time where so much business was conducted via mail to where we are now, where much has been replaced by online services.
I mean, screw the kids screaming out the windows of the house on fire down the street, Mommy and Daddy should’ve paid the $1000 a month Frank’s Fire Guys charges? Let them burn, amirite?"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
I know it's fashionable amongst some to always slam the USPS but, historically, I've had far more screwups with FedXXX (tho to be fair I haven't had any major problems the last few years) than the US Post Office. Given the vast volume of stuff the USPS delivers daily I'm impressed by how well most things go.It's also important to remember that the USPS is REQUIRED BY LAW to deliver EVERYWHERE. And FedXXX and UPS are grateful for that as they frequently rely on the USPS to make "last mile" deliveries for them.“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk
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Yeah, but that doesn’t work. Mail isn’t a government service. Fire and police are civil servants/ government service. They don’t send you a bill when you call (normally). Every person that uses USPS pays for crap service.JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah I just don’t equate government services with private business. We don’t have private fire departments and whatnot for a good reason.ColbyLang said:
It’s like every other business in this world……gotta pivot or become dead in the water. How many restaurants folded during Covid cus of no take out/delivery service? The good ones pivoted. Menus adapted. They hit the grind to survive. USPS has not gotten better, only worse.JohnInCarolina said:
I think this notion that the private sector can always run things better is pretty misguided. The private sector is driven first and foremost by the ability to turn a profit. That’s the incentive. The public good is a tertiary consideration, if at all.ColbyLang said:
But it is. It’s the new norm. The excuses are just piling up. The federal government should get a valuation of the USPS and sell it. Let someone who can run it, buy it and show the government how to do it properly. Doesn’t have to operate at shark tank valuations to prove worth….just be profitable.JohnInCarolina said:
Nobody is saying that.ColbyLang said:So sub par service is just now acceptable? No thanks. Anything that has to be there on time is FedEx or UPS. Bills are paid onlineIssue’s always arise in paying for retirement plans/benefits for those 1000’s of employees who have retired. It’s bankrupted 100’s of companies.
There are some services that really do make sense for the government to provide to the public, at a base level. I’m not sure that mail has to be one but it seems like a fairly basic service that’s solidly in the government wheelhouse. I’m fairly certain that’s the case at most Western countries.
I’m not saying the USPS is perfect. Far from it. I just don’t see selling it off as being the appropriate thing to do. It probably should just be subsidized or something as it ramps down and transitions away from a time where so much business was conducted via mail to where we are now, where much has been replaced by online services.
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I recall hearing a story some years ago about a neighborhood that had no municipal fire department so they relied on a private company. I think they were somewhere in Kentucky.A house in the neighborhood caught fire and the fire trucks rolled out and started spraying down the house next to the one on fire. The homeowner was pissed and asked why they weren't spraying down his house since it was obviously already burning.The fire crew leader explained that they were there ONLY to protect his neighbors house from catching fire and not his because he did not pay the annual "membership fee" and the house they were protecting did. I think it was only about $100/year and the pissed off homeowner repeatedly offered to pay the fee right then and there. They basically said it was too late and that's not how it works.Moral hazard can be a harsh mistress sometimes. That story reminds me of folks that don't buy flood insurance and then expect the government to help make them whole after a hurricane tears through their area. Unfortunately, the government (aka taxpayers) too often does make them whole.
“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk -
Never saw this coming but a solid exchange here. Lively dialog.Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.
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That’s just the way it’s financed, but the post office is run by the federal government.ColbyLang said:
Yeah, but that doesn’t work. Mail isn’t a government service. Fire and police are civil servants/ government service. They don’t send you a bill when you call (normally). Every person that uses USPS pays for crap service.JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah I just don’t equate government services with private business. We don’t have private fire departments and whatnot for a good reason.ColbyLang said:
It’s like every other business in this world……gotta pivot or become dead in the water. How many restaurants folded during Covid cus of no take out/delivery service? The good ones pivoted. Menus adapted. They hit the grind to survive. USPS has not gotten better, only worse.JohnInCarolina said:
I think this notion that the private sector can always run things better is pretty misguided. The private sector is driven first and foremost by the ability to turn a profit. That’s the incentive. The public good is a tertiary consideration, if at all.ColbyLang said:
But it is. It’s the new norm. The excuses are just piling up. The federal government should get a valuation of the USPS and sell it. Let someone who can run it, buy it and show the government how to do it properly. Doesn’t have to operate at shark tank valuations to prove worth….just be profitable.JohnInCarolina said:
Nobody is saying that.ColbyLang said:So sub par service is just now acceptable? No thanks. Anything that has to be there on time is FedEx or UPS. Bills are paid onlineIssue’s always arise in paying for retirement plans/benefits for those 1000’s of employees who have retired. It’s bankrupted 100’s of companies.
There are some services that really do make sense for the government to provide to the public, at a base level. I’m not sure that mail has to be one but it seems like a fairly basic service that’s solidly in the government wheelhouse. I’m fairly certain that’s the case at most Western countries.
I’m not saying the USPS is perfect. Far from it. I just don’t see selling it off as being the appropriate thing to do. It probably should just be subsidized or something as it ramps down and transitions away from a time where so much business was conducted via mail to where we are now, where much has been replaced by online services.
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
This past Saturday I tried hooking up a docking station in my home office that I had liberated from work. I quickly learned my docking station had display ports, but my monitors had HDMI cables. So, I looked on Amazon and found a two-pack of Display Port to HDMI adaptors for $7.00 plus tax. It was 10:00AM. I clicked Buy. Amazon said it would be delivered on Tuesday (today). I was fine with that. Then, the USPS got involved.
It was delivered into my mailbox on SUNDAY at 2:00 Central. While I love the service, I do not understand why they would send a person out on a Sunday to deliver an Amazon package that wasn't expected until Tuesday. Seems like an odd way to run a railroad. There is no way they made any money on that delivery.Clinton, Iowa -
That’s right! Just like I went to a doctor last week and he laughed in my face and said go to Canada for treatment!!JohnInCarolina said:
You’d prefer a private one that only puts out the fires for paying customers and will only use as much water as you’ve paid for in advance?alaskanassasin said:
Why don't we have private fire departments?JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah I just don’t equate government services with private business. We don’t have private fire departments and whatnot for a good reason.ColbyLang said:
It’s like every other business in this world……gotta pivot or become dead in the water. How many restaurants folded during Covid cus of no take out/delivery service? The good ones pivoted. Menus adapted. They hit the grind to survive. USPS has not gotten better, only worse.JohnInCarolina said:
I think this notion that the private sector can always run things better is pretty misguided. The private sector is driven first and foremost by the ability to turn a profit. That’s the incentive. The public good is a tertiary consideration, if at all.ColbyLang said:
But it is. It’s the new norm. The excuses are just piling up. The federal government should get a valuation of the USPS and sell it. Let someone who can run it, buy it and show the government how to do it properly. Doesn’t have to operate at shark tank valuations to prove worth….just be profitable.JohnInCarolina said:
Nobody is saying that.ColbyLang said:So sub par service is just now acceptable? No thanks. Anything that has to be there on time is FedEx or UPS. Bills are paid onlineIssue’s always arise in paying for retirement plans/benefits for those 1000’s of employees who have retired. It’s bankrupted 100’s of companies.
There are some services that really do make sense for the government to provide to the public, at a base level. I’m not sure that mail has to be one but it seems like a fairly basic service that’s solidly in the government wheelhouse. I’m fairly certain that’s the case at most Western countries.
I’m not saying the USPS is perfect. Far from it. I just don’t see selling it off as being the appropriate thing to do. It probably should just be subsidized or something as it ramps down and transitions away from a time where so much business was conducted via mail to where we are now, where much has been replaced by online services.
I mean, screw the kids screaming out the windows of the house on fire down the street, Mommy and Daddy should’ve paid the $1000 a month Frank’s Fire Guys charges? Let them burn, amirite?South of Columbus, Ohio. -
This took a sideways turn. 🍿LBGE, 28” BS, Weber Kettle, HCI 7.8 SE Texas
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The health care debate is in a different thread, pal.alaskanassasin said:
That’s right! Just like I went to a doctor last week and he laughed in my face and said go to Canada for treatment!!JohnInCarolina said:
You’d prefer a private one that only puts out the fires for paying customers and will only use as much water as you’ve paid for in advance?alaskanassasin said:
Why don't we have private fire departments?JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah I just don’t equate government services with private business. We don’t have private fire departments and whatnot for a good reason.ColbyLang said:
It’s like every other business in this world……gotta pivot or become dead in the water. How many restaurants folded during Covid cus of no take out/delivery service? The good ones pivoted. Menus adapted. They hit the grind to survive. USPS has not gotten better, only worse.JohnInCarolina said:
I think this notion that the private sector can always run things better is pretty misguided. The private sector is driven first and foremost by the ability to turn a profit. That’s the incentive. The public good is a tertiary consideration, if at all.ColbyLang said:
But it is. It’s the new norm. The excuses are just piling up. The federal government should get a valuation of the USPS and sell it. Let someone who can run it, buy it and show the government how to do it properly. Doesn’t have to operate at shark tank valuations to prove worth….just be profitable.JohnInCarolina said:
Nobody is saying that.ColbyLang said:So sub par service is just now acceptable? No thanks. Anything that has to be there on time is FedEx or UPS. Bills are paid onlineIssue’s always arise in paying for retirement plans/benefits for those 1000’s of employees who have retired. It’s bankrupted 100’s of companies.
There are some services that really do make sense for the government to provide to the public, at a base level. I’m not sure that mail has to be one but it seems like a fairly basic service that’s solidly in the government wheelhouse. I’m fairly certain that’s the case at most Western countries.
I’m not saying the USPS is perfect. Far from it. I just don’t see selling it off as being the appropriate thing to do. It probably should just be subsidized or something as it ramps down and transitions away from a time where so much business was conducted via mail to where we are now, where much has been replaced by online services.
I mean, screw the kids screaming out the windows of the house on fire down the street, Mommy and Daddy should’ve paid the $1000 a month Frank’s Fire Guys charges? Let them burn, amirite?"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing
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Taxes? Usps is double dipping!ColbyLang said:
Yeah, but that doesn’t work. Mail isn’t a government service. Fire and police are civil servants/ government service. They don’t send you a bill when you call (normally). Every person that uses USPS pays for crap service.JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah I just don’t equate government services with private business. We don’t have private fire departments and whatnot for a good reason.ColbyLang said:
It’s like every other business in this world……gotta pivot or become dead in the water. How many restaurants folded during Covid cus of no take out/delivery service? The good ones pivoted. Menus adapted. They hit the grind to survive. USPS has not gotten better, only worse.JohnInCarolina said:
I think this notion that the private sector can always run things better is pretty misguided. The private sector is driven first and foremost by the ability to turn a profit. That’s the incentive. The public good is a tertiary consideration, if at all.ColbyLang said:
But it is. It’s the new norm. The excuses are just piling up. The federal government should get a valuation of the USPS and sell it. Let someone who can run it, buy it and show the government how to do it properly. Doesn’t have to operate at shark tank valuations to prove worth….just be profitable.JohnInCarolina said:
Nobody is saying that.ColbyLang said:So sub par service is just now acceptable? No thanks. Anything that has to be there on time is FedEx or UPS. Bills are paid onlineIssue’s always arise in paying for retirement plans/benefits for those 1000’s of employees who have retired. It’s bankrupted 100’s of companies.
There are some services that really do make sense for the government to provide to the public, at a base level. I’m not sure that mail has to be one but it seems like a fairly basic service that’s solidly in the government wheelhouse. I’m fairly certain that’s the case at most Western countries.
I’m not saying the USPS is perfect. Far from it. I just don’t see selling it off as being the appropriate thing to do. It probably should just be subsidized or something as it ramps down and transitions away from a time where so much business was conducted via mail to where we are now, where much has been replaced by online services.South of Columbus, Ohio. -
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
And yet USPS sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon can’t save a sinking boatJohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing -
Healthcare is responsible for heart attacks? Are they contagious or something!?JohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growingSouth of Columbus, Ohio. -
Well it’s not like they have a monopoly on delivery.ColbyLang said:
And yet USPS sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon can’t save a sinking boatJohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
Those vans exist because Bezos knows he can do it better than USPS.JohnInCarolina said:
Well it’s not like they have a monopoly on delivery.ColbyLang said:
And yet USPS sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon can’t save a sinking boatJohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing -
Ok. If someone can find my effing BM Bailout I’d appreciate it. It’s allegedly somewhere between Roanoke VA and Houston so shouldn’t be too difficult to locate. 🤣LBGE, 28” BS, Weber Kettle, HCI 7.8 SE Texas
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JohnInCarolina said:
Well it’s not like they have a monopoly on delivery.ColbyLang said:
And yet USPS sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon can’t save a sinking boatJohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing
I see 4 different amazon vans on the same street yet they some how make a profit.
South of Columbus, Ohio. -
Yeah, I wonder how they manage. It’s a total mystery. Maybe we should just let Jeff Bezos run the whole country. Give him the US military next and watch him deliver a nuke right up Putin’s ass!alaskanassasin said:JohnInCarolina said:
Well it’s not like they have a monopoly on delivery.ColbyLang said:
And yet USPS sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon can’t save a sinking boatJohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing
I see 4 different amazon vans on the same street yet they some how make a profit."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
Dood—-no nukes pleaseJohnInCarolina said:
Yeah, I wonder how they manage. It’s a total mystery. Maybe we should just let Jeff Bezos run the whole country. Give him the US military next and watch him deliver a nuke right up Putin’s ass!alaskanassasin said:JohnInCarolina said:
Well it’s not like they have a monopoly on delivery.ColbyLang said:
And yet USPS sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon can’t save a sinking boatJohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing
I see 4 different amazon vans on the same street yet they some how make a profit.LBGE, 28” BS, Weber Kettle, HCI 7.8 SE Texas -
JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah, I wonder how they manage. It’s a total mystery. Maybe we should just let Jeff Bezos run the whole country. Give him the US military next and watch him deliver a nuke right up Putin’s ass!alaskanassasin said:JohnInCarolina said:
Well it’s not like they have a monopoly on delivery.ColbyLang said:
And yet USPS sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon can’t save a sinking boatJohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing
I see 4 different amazon vans on the same street yet they some how make a profit.
That escalated quickly.
South of Columbus, Ohio. -
So is the USPS “sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon” or does Bezos know he can do it better and is mostly relying on his own delivery vans? Because it seems like those two positions are somewhat contradictory.ColbyLang said:
Those vans exist because Bezos knows he can do it better than USPS.JohnInCarolina said:
Well it’s not like they have a monopoly on delivery.ColbyLang said:
And yet USPS sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon can’t save a sinking boatJohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growing"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
John I actually think it’s capitalism winning out. While I don’t know the fine details, Amazon pays USPS better than they pay themselves—thus the better quality of service.JohnInCarolina said:
So is the USPS “sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon” or does Bezos know he can do it better and is mostly relying on his own delivery vans? Because it seems like those two positions are somewhat contradictory.ColbyLang said:
Those vans exist because Bezos knows he can do it better than USPS.JohnInCarolina said:
Well it’s not like they have a monopoly on delivery.ColbyLang said:
And yet USPS sucking the Bezos tit on Amazon can’t save a sinking boatJohnInCarolina said:
Funny how people having heart attacks in America is a growth industry.ColbyLang said:FWIW, private EMS works beautifully here. Company is ESOP and constantly growingEdit to say, I know this bc I had a guy who worked for me, TAMU Mechanical Engineer degree and an MBA from Rice (I only bring this up bc you are in the higher learning space) who left me to work as an Ops Mgr for Amz.LBGE, 28” BS, Weber Kettle, HCI 7.8 SE Texas -
To be clear I don’t think the USPS is perfect or can’t be improved. I’m just not convinced the best way to fix it is to take it private. But I’ve said my peace and now it’s time for a sip or two of bourbon. JIC out."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
"The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat -
Cheers John! Good conversation!LBGE, 28” BS, Weber Kettle, HCI 7.8 SE Texas
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We have private fire departments here. If you are not subscribed and they have to come put your fire out or provide a service, then you get charged.JohnInCarolina said:
You’d prefer a private one that only puts out the fires for paying customers and will only use as much water as you’ve paid for in advance?alaskanassasin said:
Why don't we have private fire departments?JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah I just don’t equate government services with private business. We don’t have private fire departments and whatnot for a good reason.ColbyLang said:
It’s like every other business in this world……gotta pivot or become dead in the water. How many restaurants folded during Covid cus of no take out/delivery service? The good ones pivoted. Menus adapted. They hit the grind to survive. USPS has not gotten better, only worse.JohnInCarolina said:
I think this notion that the private sector can always run things better is pretty misguided. The private sector is driven first and foremost by the ability to turn a profit. That’s the incentive. The public good is a tertiary consideration, if at all.ColbyLang said:
But it is. It’s the new norm. The excuses are just piling up. The federal government should get a valuation of the USPS and sell it. Let someone who can run it, buy it and show the government how to do it properly. Doesn’t have to operate at shark tank valuations to prove worth….just be profitable.JohnInCarolina said:
Nobody is saying that.ColbyLang said:So sub par service is just now acceptable? No thanks. Anything that has to be there on time is FedEx or UPS. Bills are paid onlineIssue’s always arise in paying for retirement plans/benefits for those 1000’s of employees who have retired. It’s bankrupted 100’s of companies.
There are some services that really do make sense for the government to provide to the public, at a base level. I’m not sure that mail has to be one but it seems like a fairly basic service that’s solidly in the government wheelhouse. I’m fairly certain that’s the case at most Western countries.
I’m not saying the USPS is perfect. Far from it. I just don’t see selling it off as being the appropriate thing to do. It probably should just be subsidized or something as it ramps down and transitions away from a time where so much business was conducted via mail to where we are now, where much has been replaced by online services.
I mean, screw the kids screaming out the windows of the house on fire down the street, Mommy and Daddy should’ve paid the $1000 a month Frank’s Fire Guys charges? Let them burn, amirite?I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.
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For the record-there is no such thing as a sip or two of bourbon.
Just like there is no such thing as one beer.Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint. -
FWIW, not sure if things have changed, back in the day when I ordered stuff from US I would insist on shipping by USPS only. Why? USPS -> Canada Post -> me and I paid $5 flat brokerage/handling fees, whereas UPS or Fedex would charge an arm and a leg, over $50 easily, often more than the value of goods delivered.canuckland
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