@Ozzie_Isaac
Did you purchase this?  https://www.carscoops.com/2022/12/one-off-dodge-viper-from-asc-has-a-mclaren-tuned-v10/amp/

saluki2007 said:

@Ozzie_Isaac
Did you purchase this?  https://www.carscoops.com/2022/12/one-off-dodge-viper-from-asc-has-a-mclaren-tuned-v10/amp/

I wish!  That would be a dream car.

JohnInCarolina said:

Just kicking this around today with some friends.  Predictions for which of these will end up selling more units?

it will all be about the sticker price.....not the beauty

JohnInCarolina said:

Just kicking this around today with some friends.  Predictions for which of these will end up selling more units?

Is the question which will sell more in a particular year or over the life?  I’m not sure Rivian will be around in 5–10 years. 

Parked in a Tesla charger parking place with no place to put a charging plug

Botch said:

I asked her how they got Vegan Leather, and she told me it came from Vegan Cows.  She was dead serious and was offended by my laughing.  I asked her how that was different from a regular cow.

We-e-ell, most cows start out drinking milk... [/geek 

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=4bqoFYOGTjA. Try watching this, the guy is hilarious.

HeavyG said:

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Just kicking this around today with some friends.  Predictions for which of these will end up selling more units?

Is the question which will sell more in a particular year or over the life?  I’m not sure Rivian will be around in 5–10 years. 

Same could be said of Tesla. Once the major car makers fully enter the EV vehicle market Tesla may well be in more serious trouble than they already are.

I think they have some time. Especially when it comes to trucks and using them as they are intended to be used. 

https://youtu.be/j8gH52gKejE

fishlessman said:

WeberWho said:

HeavyG said:

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Just kicking this around today with some friends.  Predictions for which of these will end up selling more units?

Is the question which will sell more in a particular year or over the life?  I’m not sure Rivian will be around in 5–10 years. 

Same could be said of Tesla. Once the major car makers fully enter the EV vehicle market Tesla may well be in more serious trouble than they already are.

I think they have some time. Especially when it comes to trucks and using them as they are intended to be used. 

https://youtu.be/j8gH52gKejE

Forget about towing with that truck

Any electric truck is going to be limited to half to a third of its range towing, which is dismal.  Gas trucks loose a lot of range too but they have at least twice the range and places to fill up quick.  Infrastructure will take a while to catch up, in the interim, don’t plan on buying an electric vehicle if you plan to do long tow trips like RV life stuff.

nolaegghead said:

fishlessman said:

WeberWho said:

HeavyG said:

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Just kicking this around today with some friends.  Predictions for which of these will end up selling more units?

Is the question which will sell more in a particular year or over the life?  I’m not sure Rivian will be around in 5–10 years. 

Same could be said of Tesla. Once the major car makers fully enter the EV vehicle market Tesla may well be in more serious trouble than they already are.

I think they have some time. Especially when it comes to trucks and using them as they are intended to be used. 

https://youtu.be/j8gH52gKejE

Forget about towing with that truck

Any electric truck is going to be limited to half to a third of its range towing, which is dismal.  Gas trucks loose a lot of range too but they have at least twice the range and places to fill up quick.  Infrastructure will take a while to catch up, in the interim, don’t plan on buying an electric vehicle if you plan to do long tow trips like RV life stuff.

Neighbor at work bought one, expect less than 130 miles round trip with minimal load on a really small aluminum trailer with that ford

JohnInCarolina said:

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Just kicking this around today with some friends.  Predictions for which of these will end up selling more units?

Is the question which will sell more in a particular year or over the life?  I’m not sure Rivian will be around in 5–10 years. 

I’m not sure the Tesla will be around in 5-10 years.

I think it’s hilarious when a keyboard cowboy is second guessing one of the richest man in the worlds chance of success. 

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Just kicking this around today with some friends.  Predictions for which of these will end up selling more units?

Is the question which will sell more in a particular year or over the life?  I’m not sure Rivian will be around in 5–10 years. 

I’m not sure the Tesla will be around in 5-10 years.

I think it’s hilarious when a keyboard cowboy is second guessing one of the richest man in the worlds chance of success. 

Well he Used to be the richest? Fortunes change and I think his got cut in half recently based on stock prices. 

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Just kicking this around today with some friends.  Predictions for which of these will end up selling more units?

Is the question which will sell more in a particular year or over the life?  I’m not sure Rivian will be around in 5–10 years. 

I’m not sure the Tesla will be around in 5-10 years.

Tesla isn’t going anywhere. Now will Elon still be in charge, probably not. 

Tesla has more and more competition, and quality control issues that persist. But I was actually referring to that particular model - the CyberTruck.  

Judgment comes from experience.  Experience comes from poor judgement.  
(intentionally using both accepted spelling of judg...).  

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Just kicking this around today with some friends.  Predictions for which of these will end up selling more units?

Is the question which will sell more in a particular year or over the life?  I’m not sure Rivian will be around in 5–10 years. 

I’m not sure the Tesla will be around in 5-10 years.

I think it’s hilarious when a keyboard cowboy is second guessing one of the richest man in the worlds chance of success. 

What’s hilarious is equating wealth with judgment.  

If poor judgment made wealth… oh how I would be rich!

We have this bizarre view of wealth in this country.  People just take it for granted that very wealthy people got there based on superior knowledge, ability, and work ethic.  How dare anyone question them?  

I mean… on point with the subject of this thread, after Musk sold his first company, he bought a $1M McLaren F1.  You know what happened to that car?  Musk crashed it - uninsured.  

Here’s what he said after the crash:

“You know, I had read all these stories about people who made money and bought sports cars and crashed them. But I knew it would never happen to me, so I didn’t get any insurance.”

Obviously, this man is a genius who should never be questioned. 

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

The stock market is so manipulated now a days. Look at Tesla’s EBITDA compared to GM and Ford and tell me if that makes sense. 

These things come down to fundamentals.

When it comes to making EVs, what “secret sauce” do you think Tesla has that other car companies lack?   I would argue that it’s nothing that can’t be caught technology-wise, and the big auto makers have a lot of advantages that Tesla does not.