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  • BotchBotch Posts: 10,972
    edited August 2020
    This.... looks real!
     

     
     :o  
     
    EDIT:  Ewps, already posted elsewhere.  
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  • HeavyGHeavyG Posts: 7,706
    edited August 2020
    From Wisconsin:


    Turns out that photo is not what is was portrayed as in the media. Appears that Reuters screwed up.



    Regardless, I'm sure we'll find out in the next couple of weeks the real scope of the problem across the country and if there really are any "geographic anomalies".
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Dik
    "...For while we have our eyes on the future
    history has its eyes on us..." Amanda Gorman

    Camped out in the (757/948/804)




  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 19,366
    @HeavyG - thanks.  Always good to get that sort of thing corrected.
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    The other ahole

    Living large in the 919
  • fishlessmanfishlessman Posts: 27,059
    HeavyG said:
    From Wisconsin:


    Turns out that photo is not what is was portrayed as in the media. Appears that Reuters screwed up.



    Regardless, I'm sure we'll find out in the next couple of weeks the real scope of the problem across the country and if there really are any "geographic anomalies".

    the only box in my city for the last 3 decades sits in front of the post office, you have to drive to the post office to use it. they removed all the street boxes years and years ago.  in pennsylvania you mail in your request for mail in ballot by oct 27, they process it  and mail your ballot back, you fill it in and mail it back by nov 3, no geographic anomaly there =) smooth sailing there, i used to have a pencil in the mail box to write "delivered to wrong address" on mail on a daily basis, mail man stole my pencil. last house on the street gets everyones mail
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • johnnypjohnnyp Posts: 3,925
    Just reading up on Modern Monetary Theory.  Anyone have any thoughts to the validity of the concept?


    XL & MM BGE, 36" Blackstone - Newport News, VA
  • speed51133speed51133 Posts: 691
    edited August 2020
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    XL BGE and Kamado Joe Jr.
  • how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    I have a very large vegetable garden.  Very large.
    Just this side of the ATL.
  • GATravellerGATraveller Posts: 8,125
    edited August 2020
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.. 

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

    2 Large
    Peachtree Corners, GA
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 19,366
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    I think you’re very confused.  It’s not my comparison.  What’s showing up there is simply a summary of the data from a recent poll.

    There appears to be a pretty large demarcation between the two groups.  People can draw their own conclusions based on that.
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    The other ahole

    Living large in the 919
  • speed51133speed51133 Posts: 691
    edited August 2020
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    Because Pew was so reliable prior to trump winning...

    No idea what PEW presented in their findings and if it included all sorts of other data set results, but the presentation of those two data sets is incredibly flawed and trying to make a conclusion based on the flawed comparison. It is trying to say that only idiots vote for Trump.


    I also extensively studied statistics and almost have a minor in math and degree in engineering as well as a JD. I can understand how polls are conducted and presented to show selective results. 
    XL BGE and Kamado Joe Jr.
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 19,366
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    Because Pew was so reliable prior to trump winning...
    What do you think it means for a polling organization to be reliable, exactly?
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    The other ahole

    Living large in the 919
  • KayakKayak Posts: 403
    edited August 2020
    HeavyG said:
    From Wisconsin:


    Turns out that photo is not what is was portrayed as in the media. Appears that Reuters screwed up.



    Regardless, I'm sure we'll find out in the next couple of weeks the real scope of the problem across the country and if there really are any "geographic anomalies".

    the only box in my city for the last 3 decades sits in front of the post office, you have to drive to the post office to use it. they removed all the street boxes years and years ago.  in pennsylvania you mail in your request for mail in ballot by oct 27, they process it  and mail your ballot back, you fill it in and mail it back by nov 3, no geographic anomaly there =) smooth sailing there, i used to have a pencil in the mail box to write "delivered to wrong address" on mail on a daily basis, mail man stole my pencil. last house on the street gets everyones mail
    Hey, we can request a no-excuse mail-in ballot online up to 50 days out, and even before if they let you. Then track it online. Unlike tax season, there's no benefit to waiting.

    Bob

    New Cumberland, PA
    XL with the usual accessories

  • GATravellerGATraveller Posts: 8,125
    I had a certified letter delivered to my office last year that was mailed 2 years prior. 

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."

                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

    2 Large
    Peachtree Corners, GA
  • fishlessmanfishlessman Posts: 27,059
    Kayak said:
    HeavyG said:
    From Wisconsin:


    Turns out that photo is not what is was portrayed as in the media. Appears that Reuters screwed up.



    Regardless, I'm sure we'll find out in the next couple of weeks the real scope of the problem across the country and if there really are any "geographic anomalies".

    the only box in my city for the last 3 decades sits in front of the post office, you have to drive to the post office to use it. they removed all the street boxes years and years ago.  in pennsylvania you mail in your request for mail in ballot by oct 27, they process it  and mail your ballot back, you fill it in and mail it back by nov 3, no geographic anomaly there =) smooth sailing there, i used to have a pencil in the mail box to write "delivered to wrong address" on mail on a daily basis, mail man stole my pencil. last house on the street gets everyones mail
    Hey, we can request a no-excuse mail-in ballot online up to 50 days out, and even before if they let you. Then track it online. Unlike tax season, there's no benefit to waiting.


    Kayak said:
    HeavyG said:
    From Wisconsin:


    Turns out that photo is not what is was portrayed as in the media. Appears that Reuters screwed up.



    Regardless, I'm sure we'll find out in the next couple of weeks the real scope of the problem across the country and if there really are any "geographic anomalies".

    the only box in my city for the last 3 decades sits in front of the post office, you have to drive to the post office to use it. they removed all the street boxes years and years ago.  in pennsylvania you mail in your request for mail in ballot by oct 27, they process it  and mail your ballot back, you fill it in and mail it back by nov 3, no geographic anomaly there =) smooth sailing there, i used to have a pencil in the mail box to write "delivered to wrong address" on mail on a daily basis, mail man stole my pencil. last house on the street gets everyones mail
    Hey, we can request a no-excuse mail-in ballot online up to 50 days out, and even before if they let you. Then track it online. Unlike tax season, there's no benefit to waiting.


    in mass the application for the ballot needs to be in by august 26, oct 27 is really pushing it for us that procrastinate ;)
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • fishlessmanfishlessman Posts: 27,059
    heres my next voting ballot, looks like "no nominations" is running for everything

    The Commonwealth of Massachusetts

    STATE PRIMARY

    REPUBLICAN

    William Francis Galvin METHUEN
    Secretary of the Commonwealth of Massachusetts Ward: 0 Precinct: 11

    TUESDAY, SEPTEMBER 1, 2020

    Please note: this is NOT a valid official ballot.

    SENATOR IN CONGRESS


    Vote for not more than 1


    • SHIVA AYYADURAI    69 Snake Hill Rd., Belmont

    KEVIN J. O'CONNOR    55 Glen St., Dover


    REPRESENTATIVE IN CONGRESS


    THIRD DISTRICT
    Vote for not more than 1


    • NO NOMINATIONS   


    COUNCILLOR


    FIFTH DISTRICT
    Vote for not more than 1


    • NO NOMINATIONS   


    SENATOR IN GENERAL COURT


    FIRST ESSEX DISTRICT
    Vote for not more than 1


    • NO NOMINATIONS   


    REPRESENTATIVE IN GENERAL COURT


    FIFTEENTH ESSEX DISTRICT
    Vote for not more than 1


    • NO NOMINATIONS   


    REGISTER OF PROBATE


    ESSEX COUNTY
    Vote for not more than 1


    • NO NOMINATIONS   




    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • BotchBotch Posts: 10,972
    Fish, I note that the seventh lines states:
     
    Please note: this is NOT a valid official ballot. 
     
    What exactly IS that, that you posted?  :confused:  
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  • fishlessmanfishlessman Posts: 27,059
    Botch said:
    Fish, I note that the seventh lines states:
     
    Please note: this is NOT a valid official ballot. 
     
    What exactly IS that, that you posted?  :confused:  

    the official ballot is the one they hand to you on voting day that you fill in the dots for the reader. but thats what will be on it, its sad. the dem version ballot has just the one person running per line to vote for, almost as sad, maybe just as sad. its like its all been fixed ahead of time (my conspiracy theory) if i dont go vote theres a chance my name wont be on the presidential sign in book, its been removed a few times over the years for unexplainable reasons
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 19,366
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    Because Pew was so reliable prior to trump winning...

    No idea what PEW presented in their findings and if it included all sorts of other data set results, but the presentation of those two data sets is incredibly flawed and trying to make a conclusion based on the flawed comparison. It is trying to say that only idiots vote for Trump.


    I also extensively studied statistics and almost have a minor in math and degree in engineering as well as a JD. I can understand how polls are conducted and presented to show selective results. 
    You might be the first person I’ve seen to cite *almost having a minor* in something as a testament of their knowledge.  

    I’m just trying to reconcile your statistical prowess with your contention that Pew isn’t reliable based on the 2016 election.

    Statistics... how do they work?
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    The other ahole

    Living large in the 919
  • dmchicagodmchicago Posts: 2,863
    I almost nailed Carol Hawkins in high school.
    Philly - Kansas City - Houston - Cincinnati - Dallas - Houston - Memphis - Austin - Chicago - Austin

    Large BGE.

    "If I wanted my balls washed, I'd go to the golf course!"
    Dennis - Austin,TX
  • speed51133speed51133 Posts: 691
    edited August 2020
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    Because Pew was so reliable prior to trump winning...

    No idea what PEW presented in their findings and if it included all sorts of other data set results, but the presentation of those two data sets is incredibly flawed and trying to make a conclusion based on the flawed comparison. It is trying to say that only idiots vote for Trump.


    I also extensively studied statistics and almost have a minor in math and degree in engineering as well as a JD. I can understand how polls are conducted and presented to show selective results. 
    You might be the first person I’ve seen to cite *almost having a minor* in something as a testament of their knowledge.  

    I’m just trying to reconcile your statistical prowess with your contention that Pew isn’t reliable based on the 2016 election.

    Statistics... how do they work?
    IDK, I mean a year of statistics, 4 years of science school calculus (which is substantially harder than the calc BA students take), 4 years of calculus based physics, 3 years of calculus based chemistry, 2 years of statics and dynamics, 1 year of thermodynamics, 2 years of computer programming, 2 years of optimization, and god knows what else I am missing, I think that qualifies me as somewhat of knowledgeable in math. It may be only "almost" a minor in math, but it is a BS in engineering.

    My point is that I was essentially told that my knowledge on statistics, which is ALL math and how to compare data sets (which is what your do in essentially every engineering class) DOES in fact qualify me to at least opine of the relevancy of two data sets used to make a conclusion.

    ALSO, with respect to PEW, they, along with EVERYONE else, was totally wrong, not even a little wrong, but totally out of the park wrong with all of their predictions and analysis of the data sets used prior to trump winning in 2016.

    If you see some flaw in my reasoning, by all means, please state it. But the adhominem attacks... please just shut it....


    XL BGE and Kamado Joe Jr.
  • Ozzie_IsaacOzzie_Isaac Posts: 11,233
    edited August 2020
    I thought this was a BBQ and other sundry flame cooked arts forum?

    I like it more now.
    If it is worth doing, it is worth overdoing.

    XL, Medium, Minimax, Mini, Blackstone, WSM
  • nolaeggheadnolaegghead Posts: 35,790
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    Because Pew was so reliable prior to trump winning...

    No idea what PEW presented in their findings and if it included all sorts of other data set results, but the presentation of those two data sets is incredibly flawed and trying to make a conclusion based on the flawed comparison. It is trying to say that only idiots vote for Trump.


    I also extensively studied statistics and almost have a minor in math and degree in engineering as well as a JD. I can understand how polls are conducted and presented to show selective results. 
    You might be the first person I’ve seen to cite *almost having a minor* in something as a testament of their knowledge.  

    I’m just trying to reconcile your statistical prowess with your contention that Pew isn’t reliable based on the 2016 election.

    Statistics... how do they work?
    IDK, I mean a year of statistics, 4 years of calculus, 4 years of calculus based physics, 3 years of calculus based chemistry, 2 years of statics and dynamics, 1 year of thermodynamics, 2 years of computer programming, 2 years of optimization, and god knows what else I am missing, I think that qualifies me as somewhat of knowledgeable in math. It may be only "almost" a minor in math, but it is a BS in engineering.

    My point is that I was essentially told that my knowledge on statistics, which is ALL math and how to compare data sets (which is what your do in essentially every engineering class) DOES in fact qualify me to at least opine of the relevancy of two data sets used to make a conclusion.

    ALSO, with respect to PEW, they, along with EVERYONE else, was totally wrong, not even a little wrong, but totally out of the park wrong with all of their predictions and analysis of the data sets used prior to trump winning in 2016.

    If you see some flaw in my reasoning, by all means, please state it. But the adhominem attacks... please just shut it....
    I would believe you have a degree in blowing smoke up your own azz, but that's pretty much all the credit I would give you based on the quality of your knowledge you've exhibited here.

    ______________________________________________
    Large and Medium BGE, Kamado Joe Jr, Akorn Jr, big effin' pellet smoker, gas grill, fire pit, FireDisk, pack of angry cats, two turntables and a microphone, my friend.  Registered republican.
    New Orleans, LA - we know how to eat 
    Stike's troll account



  • nolaeggheadnolaegghead Posts: 35,790
    PS - I would recommend using Nate Silver's aggregate polling data to take the proverbial temperature of the nation
    ______________________________________________
    Large and Medium BGE, Kamado Joe Jr, Akorn Jr, big effin' pellet smoker, gas grill, fire pit, FireDisk, pack of angry cats, two turntables and a microphone, my friend.  Registered republican.
    New Orleans, LA - we know how to eat 
    Stike's troll account



  • nolaeggheadnolaegghead Posts: 35,790
    google 538
    ______________________________________________
    Large and Medium BGE, Kamado Joe Jr, Akorn Jr, big effin' pellet smoker, gas grill, fire pit, FireDisk, pack of angry cats, two turntables and a microphone, my friend.  Registered republican.
    New Orleans, LA - we know how to eat 
    Stike's troll account



  • nolaeggheadnolaegghead Posts: 35,790
    Also, maybe post your college transcripts and birth certificate.
    ______________________________________________
    Large and Medium BGE, Kamado Joe Jr, Akorn Jr, big effin' pellet smoker, gas grill, fire pit, FireDisk, pack of angry cats, two turntables and a microphone, my friend.  Registered republican.
    New Orleans, LA - we know how to eat 
    Stike's troll account



  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 19,366
    edited August 2020
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    Because Pew was so reliable prior to trump winning...

    No idea what PEW presented in their findings and if it included all sorts of other data set results, but the presentation of those two data sets is incredibly flawed and trying to make a conclusion based on the flawed comparison. It is trying to say that only idiots vote for Trump.


    I also extensively studied statistics and almost have a minor in math and degree in engineering as well as a JD. I can understand how polls are conducted and presented to show selective results. 
    You might be the first person I’ve seen to cite *almost having a minor* in something as a testament of their knowledge.  

    I’m just trying to reconcile your statistical prowess with your contention that Pew isn’t reliable based on the 2016 election.

    Statistics... how do they work?
    IDK, I mean a year of statistics, 4 years of science school calculus (which is substantially harder than the calc BA students take), 4 years of calculus based physics, 3 years of calculus based chemistry, 2 years of statics and dynamics, 1 year of thermodynamics, 2 years of computer programming, 2 years of optimization, and god knows what else I am missing, I think that qualifies me as somewhat of knowledgeable in math. It may be only "almost" a minor in math, but it is a BS in engineering.

    My point is that I was essentially told that my knowledge on statistics, which is ALL math and how to compare data sets (which is what your do in essentially every engineering class) DOES in fact qualify me to at least opine of the relevancy of two data sets used to make a conclusion.

    ALSO, with respect to PEW, they, along with EVERYONE else, was totally wrong, not even a little wrong, but totally out of the park wrong with all of their predictions and analysis of the data sets used prior to trump winning in 2016.

    If you see some flaw in my reasoning, by all means, please state it. But the adhominem attacks... please just shut it....


    I’m just curious, but what is your engineering degree and where is it from?  

    As to the substance of your point, Pew’s last national poll in 2016 had Clinton up 46 to 40 over Trump.  The popular vote ended up being 48 to 46, so... yeah.  Way off, obviously.  Like not even in the same ballpark, just like you said...

    But then I am only a professor of engineering with a secondary appointment in mathematics, so I’ll defer to your expertise here. 
    "A generation of the unteachable is hanging upon us like a necklace of corpses." - George Orwell 

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    The other ahole

    Living large in the 919
  • speed51133speed51133 Posts: 691
    edited August 2020
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    Because Pew was so reliable prior to trump winning...

    No idea what PEW presented in their findings and if it included all sorts of other data set results, but the presentation of those two data sets is incredibly flawed and trying to make a conclusion based on the flawed comparison. It is trying to say that only idiots vote for Trump.


    I also extensively studied statistics and almost have a minor in math and degree in engineering as well as a JD. I can understand how polls are conducted and presented to show selective results. 
    You might be the first person I’ve seen to cite *almost having a minor* in something as a testament of their knowledge.  

    I’m just trying to reconcile your statistical prowess with your contention that Pew isn’t reliable based on the 2016 election.

    Statistics... how do they work?
    IDK, I mean a year of statistics, 4 years of science school calculus (which is substantially harder than the calc BA students take), 4 years of calculus based physics, 3 years of calculus based chemistry, 2 years of statics and dynamics, 1 year of thermodynamics, 2 years of computer programming, 2 years of optimization, and god knows what else I am missing, I think that qualifies me as somewhat of knowledgeable in math. It may be only "almost" a minor in math, but it is a BS in engineering.

    My point is that I was essentially told that my knowledge on statistics, which is ALL math and how to compare data sets (which is what your do in essentially every engineering class) DOES in fact qualify me to at least opine of the relevancy of two data sets used to make a conclusion.

    ALSO, with respect to PEW, they, along with EVERYONE else, was totally wrong, not even a little wrong, but totally out of the park wrong with all of their predictions and analysis of the data sets used prior to trump winning in 2016.

    If you see some flaw in my reasoning, by all means, please state it. But the adhominem attacks... please just shut it....


    I’m just curious, but what is your engineering degree and where is it from?  

    As to the substance of your point, Pew’s last national poll in 2016 had Clinton up 46 to 40 over Trump.  The popular vote ended up being 48 to 46, so... yeah.  Way off, obviously.  Like not even in the same ballpark, just like you said...

    But then I am only a professor of engineering with a secondary appointment in mathematics, so I’ll defer to your expertise here. 
    I’m just curious, but what is your engineering degree and where is it from?  Please elaborate on the correlation to the argument.

    Also, https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/02/27/research-confirms-professors-lean-left-questions-assumptions-about-what-means

    Looks like your profession is somewhat indicative of political bias. What a shocker...

    AND, I am not here to blow smoke up my, or anyone else's ass. I am here to point out that you guys are consistently making the point that anyone who disagrees with your political stance is not only wrong, but an absolute idiot. I am also trying to use logic and reasoning, which prompts you guys to attack my intellect, education, etc. Get over yourselves. You are not the authority on what is wrong and right. You have made your point. WE ALL know your stance. You do not need to consistently remind us. I love how it is cool and dandy for liberals on the forum to always chime in here and elsewhere how stupid conservatives are.....give it a rest already.
    XL BGE and Kamado Joe Jr.
  • JohnInCarolinaJohnInCarolina Posts: 19,366
    edited August 2020
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    Because Pew was so reliable prior to trump winning...

    No idea what PEW presented in their findings and if it included all sorts of other data set results, but the presentation of those two data sets is incredibly flawed and trying to make a conclusion based on the flawed comparison. It is trying to say that only idiots vote for Trump.


    I also extensively studied statistics and almost have a minor in math and degree in engineering as well as a JD. I can understand how polls are conducted and presented to show selective results. 
    You might be the first person I’ve seen to cite *almost having a minor* in something as a testament of their knowledge.  

    I’m just trying to reconcile your statistical prowess with your contention that Pew isn’t reliable based on the 2016 election.

    Statistics... how do they work?
    IDK, I mean a year of statistics, 4 years of science school calculus (which is substantially harder than the calc BA students take), 4 years of calculus based physics, 3 years of calculus based chemistry, 2 years of statics and dynamics, 1 year of thermodynamics, 2 years of computer programming, 2 years of optimization, and god knows what else I am missing, I think that qualifies me as somewhat of knowledgeable in math. It may be only "almost" a minor in math, but it is a BS in engineering.

    My point is that I was essentially told that my knowledge on statistics, which is ALL math and how to compare data sets (which is what your do in essentially every engineering class) DOES in fact qualify me to at least opine of the relevancy of two data sets used to make a conclusion.

    ALSO, with respect to PEW, they, along with EVERYONE else, was totally wrong, not even a little wrong, but totally out of the park wrong with all of their predictions and analysis of the data sets used prior to trump winning in 2016.

    If you see some flaw in my reasoning, by all means, please state it. But the adhominem attacks... please just shut it....


    I’m just curious, but what is your engineering degree and where is it from?  

    As to the substance of your point, Pew’s last national poll in 2016 had Clinton up 46 to 40 over Trump.  The popular vote ended up being 48 to 46, so... yeah.  Way off, obviously.  Like not even in the same ballpark, just like you said...

    But then I am only a professor of engineering with a secondary appointment in mathematics, so I’ll defer to your expertise here. 
    I’m just curious, but what is your engineering degree and where is it from?  
    I have a BS in Mechanical Engineering and Materials Science from the University of New Hampshire.  I have an MS and PhD in Theoretical and Applied Mechanics from Northwestern.  

    I have over 14 thousand citations to my research works and an h-index of 38.  My Google scholar page is here:

    https://scholar.google.com/citations?hl=en&user=XIihf9EAAAAJ&view_op=list_works&sortby=pubdate

    Your turn.


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  • fishlessmanfishlessman Posts: 27,059
    how about non-whites without college degrees voting for Biden.....your comparison is totally garbage.

    or how about anyone with a college degree and gainfully employed???

    Or how about just getting over the fact that not everyone agrees with you?
    Simma down Moby. You should totally be a pollster, then you can post the results of your own polls and dispute some of these fly by night pollsters like Pew.
    Because Pew was so reliable prior to trump winning...

    No idea what PEW presented in their findings and if it included all sorts of other data set results, but the presentation of those two data sets is incredibly flawed and trying to make a conclusion based on the flawed comparison. It is trying to say that only idiots vote for Trump.


    I also extensively studied statistics and almost have a minor in math and degree in engineering as well as a JD. I can understand how polls are conducted and presented to show selective results. 
    You might be the first person I’ve seen to cite *almost having a minor* in something as a testament of their knowledge.  

    I’m just trying to reconcile your statistical prowess with your contention that Pew isn’t reliable based on the 2016 election.

    Statistics... how do they work?
    IDK, I mean a year of statistics, 4 years of science school calculus (which is substantially harder than the calc BA students take), 4 years of calculus based physics, 3 years of calculus based chemistry, 2 years of statics and dynamics, 1 year of thermodynamics, 2 years of computer programming, 2 years of optimization, and god knows what else I am missing, I think that qualifies me as somewhat of knowledgeable in math. It may be only "almost" a minor in math, but it is a BS in engineering.

    My point is that I was essentially told that my knowledge on statistics, which is ALL math and how to compare data sets (which is what your do in essentially every engineering class) DOES in fact qualify me to at least opine of the relevancy of two data sets used to make a conclusion.

    ALSO, with respect to PEW, they, along with EVERYONE else, was totally wrong, not even a little wrong, but totally out of the park wrong with all of their predictions and analysis of the data sets used prior to trump winning in 2016.

    If you see some flaw in my reasoning, by all means, please state it. But the adhominem attacks... please just shut it....


    I’m just curious, but what is your engineering degree and where is it from?  

    As to the substance of your point, Pew’s last national poll in 2016 had Clinton up 46 to 40 over Trump.  The popular vote ended up being 48 to 46, so... yeah.  Way off, obviously.  Like not even in the same ballpark, just like you said...

    But then I am only a professor of engineering with a secondary appointment in mathematics, so I’ll defer to your expertise here. 
    I’m just curious, but what is your engineering degree and where is it from?  Please elaborate on the correlation to the argument.

    Also, https://www.insidehighered.com/news/2017/02/27/research-confirms-professors-lean-left-questions-assumptions-about-what-means

    Looks like your profession is somewhat indicative of political bias. What a shocker...

    OMFG =)
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