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Anybody not know what's going on in Paris?

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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    blasting said:
    HeavyG said:

    Davec433 said:
    There is a real difference between getting struck by a bus and getting shot by a Terrorist. Ones dumb luck and the other by nature causes fear. Plus if we weren't separated by two oceans from where all these Muslims come from those numbers would be a lot higher.
    If you say so. Dead is dead.

    It seems to me that a half million deaths due to car crashes in the past decade and a half is something other than just "dumb luck". It seems to me that it indicates a systemic failure that we could ameliorate. But we don't cuz since they're just "dumb luck" then (shrug)"eh...waddya gonna do"(shrug).


    I suppose the way to drive the point home is to take it personal.  

    If I had a family member killed in a car wreck that would be horrible.  If I had a family member killed by a Muslim suicide bomber because they hated our country... well, surely you can see the difference.   

    You are correct, dead is dead.  They are gone forever, but the situations are nowhere near the same.  You cannot equate an accident with senseless murder.

    I understand that it isn't always possible to separate logic from emotion. And that is not the point I was attempting to make.

    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380

    Davec433 said:
    HeavyG said:
    Davec433 said:
    henapple said:
    So you're saying that we're safe, we're ok and &#% the other countries? 
    Not at all I personally think we should put all these "refugees" on a ship and sink it in the middle of the ocean but that's just me.
    How very Christian of you.
    Christians aren't the ones rampaging across the Middle East burning people alive, drowning them, raping women, crucifying Christisns, blowing them up and taking slaves. You don't reason with these people you deal with them like a rabid dog. But the majority are moderate right? Where were the moderate majority when the Nazis were putting Jews in ovens? They were irrelevant just like these moderates that aren't preventing the radicals from taking over.
    You're right. Christians aren't the ones doing that in the last couple of decades. Go back in the last few centuries tho and you see that when it comes to burning people alive, drowning them, raping them, and enslaving them that Christians can be just as depraved and barbaric.

    On the other hand we should remember that the Oklahoma bombing was carried out by a couple of white, Christian, military veterans. I guess that's probably not relevant today because "we all know" that only Muslims are terrorists.

    I have no idea what all Muslims believe. I'm pretty sure tho that the vast majority of them, say 99.99999999999999999%, of the 1.6 billion of them aren't really all that different from the rest of us - just hoping to live a quiet peaceful life with adequate food, clothing, and shelter. A life where they can laugh and love and see their children have a chance for a decent future.

    But you could be right. Perhaps we should just round up as many as we can and drown them at sea. That will certainly solve the problem.
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,709
    jeroldharter said:

    I would like to bury my head and ignore the obvious because it is uncomfortable. But Islamic terrorism is a pestilence that will not die on its own. Taking more time (maybe another thousand years or so?) to "better understand why they don't like us" is pointless. It is their stated religious mission to to destroy Israel and kill us. 
    I think people are simply trying to add some perspective to things.  We have tried more than a few things when it comes to dealing with terrorism.  What's your suggestion for how to deal with this?  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • Davec433
    Davec433 Posts: 463
    ISIS we destroy their leadership, crush their morale, enable their enemies to help in the fight and don't let anyone from a country with ties to a terrorist country come here unless they are fully screened. If not enough info in them they don't come here.
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,709
    Davec433 said:
    ISIS we destroy their leadership, crush their morale, enable their enemies to help in the fight and don't let anyone from a country with ties to a terrorist country come here unless they are fully screened. If not enough info in them they don't come here.
    Easy peasy!
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,261
    I do know for a fact the USA has SF boots on the ground in Syria. It is coming. They have already lit targets up for French war planes today. More are coming.
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,709
    "At the heart of it is the failed and broken state system in the Arab world that has given IS space in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Libya," said Bruce Riedel, a CIA veteran at the Brookings Institution. "That problem is not fixable overnight or even in the next few years." 
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-15/smashing-islamic-state-after-paris-attacks-poses-huge-challenges

    We like to pretend as though there's an easy fix to all of this.  Most sober estimates of the problem suggest a slightly different picture.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,261
    At Reagan National. Security is up. Already brought a jet down and unloaded it due to security concerns. Took everyone off and searched the plane. My flight is in an hour been pushed back twice already.
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
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  • Davec433
    Davec433 Posts: 463
    JohnInCarolina said:
    "At the heart of it is the failed and broken state system in the Arab world that has given IS space in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Libya," said Bruce Riedel, a CIA veteran at the Brookings Institution. "That problem is not fixable overnight or even in the next few years." 
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-15/smashing-islamic-state-after-paris-attacks-poses-huge-challenges

    We like to pretend as though there's an easy fix to all of this.  Most sober estimates of the problem suggest a slightly different picture.
    I agree completely and will probably be fighting some sort of Islamc extremism for the rest of our lives.
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  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    JohnInCarolina said:
    "At the heart of it is the failed and broken state system in the Arab world that has given IS space in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Libya," said Bruce Riedel, a CIA veteran at the Brookings Institution. "That problem is not fixable overnight or even in the next few years." 
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-15/smashing-islamic-state-after-paris-attacks-poses-huge-challenges

    We like to pretend as though there's an easy fix to all of this.  Most sober estimates of the problem suggest a slightly different picture.
    This is why you don't walk away after years of doing the hard work and enduring great loss in the process. Now we have to start all over. You cannot quit til the job is done, however long it takes. Not pretty. We have squandered years of progress for the sake of votes. Now that's a real tragedy. Shameful. 
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  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,261
    DoubleEgger said:
    DoubleEgger said:
    annjamaican said:
    DoubleEgger said:
    ISIL claimed responsibility and a Syrian passport was found on one of the attackers.  Sounds like "refugees" to me. 
    You are aware that Syrian people who are not refugees exist in Western nations, right?
    Of course but give me a break. If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck... It's probably a duck. 
    It turned out to be a duck after all. 
    An is duck with a Syrian passport, infiltrating with refugees driving in from Belgium.
    This is what I told everyone prior.
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
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  • bud812
    bud812 Posts: 1,869
    It is football season right.


    Not to get technical, but according to chemistry alcohol is a solution...

    Large & Small BGE

    Stockton Ca.

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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,709
    pgprescott said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    "At the heart of it is the failed and broken state system in the Arab world that has given IS space in Iraq, Syria, Egypt and Libya," said Bruce Riedel, a CIA veteran at the Brookings Institution. "That problem is not fixable overnight or even in the next few years." 
    http://www.bloomberg.com/news/articles/2015-11-15/smashing-islamic-state-after-paris-attacks-poses-huge-challenges

    We like to pretend as though there's an easy fix to all of this.  Most sober estimates of the problem suggest a slightly different picture.
    This is why you don't walk away after years of doing the hard work and enduring great loss in the process. Now we have to start all over. You cannot quit til the job is done, however long it takes. Not pretty. We have squandered years of progress for the sake of votes. Now that's a real tragedy. Shameful. 
    Next time, just write "Thanks Obama!"  It's much more succinct.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,261
    edited November 2015
    They arrested two men in kentucky, trying to by shoulder fired rockets. Syrian passports.
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
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  • Fred19Flintstone
    Fred19Flintstone Posts: 8,174
    Davec433 said:
    Michighan mayor suspends efforts to settle Syrian "refugees."


    Actually that was Michigan's Governor, Rick Snyder.
    Flint, Michigan
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  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,261
    Jabam, you make too much sense. This is the egghead forum. Stop.
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
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  • Davec433
    Davec433 Posts: 463
    Fred19Flintstone said:
    Davec433 said:
    Michighan mayor suspends efforts to settle Syrian "refugees."


    Actually that was Michigan's Governor, Rick Snyder

    Typo my bad
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  • RRP
    RRP Posts: 26,453
    I'm still intrigued that a simple little talented tailor sitting somewhere sewing into the early morning hours could be a link to the organization! And I'm sure he is not a Jewish tailor at that!
    http://eggheadforum.com/discussion/1188846/new-twist-in-isis-fighting-looking-for-a-great-tailor#latest

    Re-gasketing the USA one yard at a time 
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  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,261
    Dobie said:
    The answer to terrorism will be found on a cooking forum. 
    No, it doesn't. If it did, this situation would have been handled months, if not years ago. While smoking pork butts, and drinking.
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
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  • blasting
    blasting Posts: 6,262
    Dobie said:
    The answer to terrorism will be found on a cooking forum. 

    If we can replicate Mickey's wing recipe large scale, the crisis could be solved on the BGE forum.


    Phoenix 
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  • GATraveller
    GATraveller Posts: 8,207
    Dobie said:
    The answer to terrorism will be found on a cooking forum. 

    That's because this forum is the online equivalent of standing around the tailgate of a pickup truck drinking. Where all of life's problems are solved. 

    "Social media gives legions of idiots the right to speak when they once only spoke at a bar after a glass of wine, without harming the community [...] but now they have the same right to speak as a Nobel Prize winner. It's the invasion of the idiots."
                                                                                  -Umberto Eco

    2 Large
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    YukonRon said:
    They arrested two men in kentucky, trying to by shoulder fired rockets. Syrian passports.
    Senator Rand Paul said in an interview back in July of this year:

    "In my hometown of Bowling Green, Kentucky, we had two Iraqi refugees who were let into our country who were plotting to buy stinger missiles a few years ago, but they got arrested and put in jail. "


    So you're saying that yet again a pair of baddies is trying to buy shoulder fired missiles in Kentucky? WTF? Is Kentucky some kind of hotbed of stolen weapons of war? Is there a special flea market one can go to?
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




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  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    Good stir up @HeavyG.  Good thing about Kentucky is if a bad guy, care less about his/her faith, is he'll be listed among the dead or wounded and it will be a single digit number.  
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
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  • Acn
    Acn Posts: 4,490
    jabam said:
    As evidenced by the thoughts on this thread, no one has an answer how to deal with these cowards. But I think we can make it harder for them to do their damage. France is a good example, open borders, police not armed. I know this will piss some of you off, but we DO need to profile. I Have several relatives on my wife's side who could pass for middle eastern, and I can gaurantee you none of them would be upset by being delayed to check their passports and luggage, if it makes things safer. Quit being PC and go after these ****! 

    Ok let me have  it!
    It doesn't piss people off, but it does offend the constitution that established our government.  You can't ignore the "innocent until proven guilty" part any more than those evil liberals would like to ignore the 2nd amendment.

    There is absolutely no easy, sound bite fix to this.  The western world has never understood the region, and it isn't likely to start now.  We broke it, and we bought it, but for 60+ years (ever since the US assassinated the last democratically elected ruler in a Muslim country) we haven't known the first thing to do.  Eisenhower on down have been screwing up in the region, but I'm glad that a bunch of guys with expensive grills know what to do now.

    LBGE

    Pikesville, MD

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  • Acn
    Acn Posts: 4,490
    Acn said:
    bud812 said:
    And start selling arms to Iran?  Since he did that more than killing people.
    @jabam - do you disagree that he sold arms to Iran?  That is quite well documented.

    LBGE

    Pikesville, MD

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  • Davec433
    Davec433 Posts: 463
    You'd think the only thing you'd be able to find would be moonshine.
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  • bgebrent
    bgebrent Posts: 19,636
    Best part of the French AF lighting up some of the infidels is knowing some of our best were lighting up the targets!
    Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga
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