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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 31,104
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    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • Canugghead
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    nice photoshop job!


    canuckland
  • JohnInCarolina
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    dmchicago said:

    Greatness.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • Canugghead
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    32160
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    canuckland
  • fishlessman
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    32160
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    its like water rolling off a duck. its wednesday now or next wednesday, or....
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Legume
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    its like water rolling off a duck. its wednesday now or next wednesday, or....
    I guess we'll have to wait for him to update his own indictment prediction.  I wonder if he has been happy with or underwhelmed by the protest crowds so far? Definitely the biggest ever for a former president that is about to be indicted.  He can safely claim that.
  • Botch
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    On the bright side, Jordan is approaching a near-100% sample rate.   =)  
     
    https://youtu.be/vcG3A7iR7NI
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    "I hear you're free on Wednesdays..."    - JB  


  • fishlessman
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    Anticipation.... 😁
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • HeavyG
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    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • lousubcap
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    From David Graham of The Atlantic today: Worth the read to get a quick summary of CHEETO's trick-sack. (The copy and paste format has a few placeholders that necessitate the awkward spacing-at least with my skill set.)


    David A. Graham

    STAFF WRITER

    With several criminal cases looming against former President Donald Trump, it’s hard to keep track of each investigation, its timeline, and the issues at stake—even if you’ve been following the cases for years, like I have. Below is my attempt to put the cases in context.


    Your Guide



    If you’re finding it hard to keep track of all of former President Donald Trump’s legal woes, don’t feel bad: He can’t get it straight, either. Last weekend, he announced that he’d be arrested in Manhattan on Tuesday. It’s now Thursday, and Trump remains a free man, with no indictment from a grand jury yet. Public indications still seem to point toward charges against Trump in Manhattan, but what and when are still a mystery. And several more cases loom beyond that.

    Assuming Trump is eventually charged, whether in Manhattan or elsewhere, the result will be a spectacle no one alive has seen before: a former U.S. president under arrest. We likely won’t see a classic perp walk, with officers holding him by each arm and escorting him. The process would instead be arranged and negotiated beforehand, and he’s reportedly been debating whether to smile for the cameras on his way to being booked. Trump would have to be fingerprinted like any other defendant, and then he’d be released. But that would be just the start of a long process toward a trial or plea, and then a verdict.

    With so many investigations and cases floating around, maintaining a sense of the issues at stake in each investigation, the timeline for them, and how serious a threat to the former president they pose is tricky—even when you’ve been following the cases for years now, as I have. Here’s my attempt to put all of the open criminal cases against Donald Trump in context for easy reference. I’ve arranged the cases by my assessment of the seriousness of the allegations to democracy and the rule of law, from the least significant to the most.

    Manhattan: Hush Money

    Because District Attorney Alvin Bragg has not announced charges, we have to speculate a bit, but public evidence suggests that Bragg is looking at a claim that Trump falsified business records in reimbursing his former fixer Michael Cohen for a hush payment made to Stormy Daniels, an adult-film actor who allegedly had an affair with Trump. Cohen’s payoff and Trump’s reimbursement are not in dispute, but Trump denies the affair and any lawbreaking.

    When? The timing of any charges is a topic of intense speculation, especially after Trump’s prediction last weekend of a Tuesday arrest. The grand jury unexpectedly didn’t meet yesterday and is reportedly meeting on a different matter today. That means we’re probably looking at next week at the earliest.

    How grave is the allegation? Look, falsifying records is a crime, and crime is bad. But many people have analogized this case to Al Capone’s conviction on tax evasion: It’s not that he didn’t deserve it, but it wasn’t really why he was an infamous villain. Unless Bragg has a more elaborate case than he has tipped, this feels like a minor offense compared with the others I’ll get to below.

    How plausible is conviction? The case Bragg is most likely to make faces hurdles, including the statute of limitations, a questionable key witness in Cohen, and some untested legal theories. In short, based on what we know, the Manhattan case seems like perhaps both the least significant and the legally weakest case. Even some Trump critics are dismayed that Bragg seems to be likely to bring charges before any other criminal case.

    Department of Justice: Mar-a-Lago Documents

    Special Counsel Jack Smith is overseeing a Justice Department probe into presidential records, some of them highly classified, found at Trump’s Mar-a-Lago home. Trump removed many documents from the White House when he left office, then refused to return some despite repeated requests. His attorneys attested that he’d returned all relevant documents, but an August 2022 search turned up many, including extremely sensitive documents allegedly stored haphazardly.

    When? Smith faces a de facto deadline of January 20, 2025, at which point Trump or any Republican president would likely shut down a case if they take office. Last week a court matter raised eyebrows, as prosecutors persuaded a judge to order Trump’s attorney to hand over documents, ruling that attorney-client privilege didn’t apply because evidence suggested that Trump’s attorneys may have advanced a crime. Then this week, Trump appealed, but the D.C. Circuit Court rejected the attempt in a lightning-fast decision.

    How grave is the allegation? The alleged handling of the documents is not as serious as Trump’s attempts to overturn the election, but it’s probably a solid bronze medal on this list. The documents are highly sensitive for national security, and if allegations are true, Trump refused to comply with a subpoena, tried to hide documents, and lied to the government through his attorneys.

    How plausible is conviction? This may be the most open-and-shut case. Not every case involving classified documents gets charged, but if Smith decides to prosecute, the facts and legal theory here are more straightforward than in almost any other of these matters.

    Fulton County: Election Subversion

    In Fulton County, Georgia, which includes most of Atlanta, District Attorney Fani Willis has been conducting an investigation into attempts to steal the 2020 presidential election in Georgia, including Trump’s call to Secretary of State Brad Raffensperger, in which he pressured Raffensperger to “find 11,780 votes” to allow him to win.

    When? A special grand jury completed its work in January and recommended that its report be made public. The special grand jury can make recommendations, but a normal grand jury would have to issue indictments. During a January hearing over whether to release the full report, prosecutors told a judge that decisions on charges were “imminent,” but so far nothing has emerged. (The judge withheld most of the report.)

    How grave is the allegation? Short of the federal January 6 case (which I’ll get to next), this is probably the most egregious. Trump’s pressure offensive against officials at the state level to try and change the results of the election was a grave attack on democracy. But Willis can focus only on what happened in Georgia, one piece of the bigger whole.

    How plausible is conviction? Experts differ. This is a huge case for a local prosecutor, even in a county as large as Fulton, to bring. The grand jury’s foreperson said in an interview that there will be no big surprises in who the jury suggested be charged. Willis has the advantage of the recording of the Raffensperger call, which is close to a smoking gun.

    Department of Justice: January 6

    Special Counsel Smith is overseeing the federal probes related to Trump’s attempt to subvert the 2020 election and overturn the results, as well as the insurrection on January 6, 2021.

    When? No one knows. As with the other DOJ case, Smith needs to move quickly, before Trump or any other Republican president could shut down a case upon taking office in January 2025.

    How grave is the allegation? This is the most important Trump case out there. You can’t get much graver than attempting to subvert the American election system and inciting an attack on Congress, and the Justice Department has the potential to address the whole sordid episode.

    How plausible is conviction? It’s very hard to say. Everyone saw the attack, but we don’t know what crimes Smith might charge, or what legal theories he might use—the House January 6 committee, for example, made a nonbinding recommendation to apply a seldom-used charge of aiding insurrection—or whether he would even charge Trump or instead opt to prosecute lower-level officials.




    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
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    The Manhattan grand jury hearing evidence about former President Trump’s alleged role in paying hush money to adult actor Stormy Daniels won’t take action this week, according to people familiar with the matter. While the grand jurors reconvened yesterday, they met to hear another matter unrelated to Trump, the people said. As the grand jury doesn’t typically meet on Fridays, they likely won’t consider the case again until next week at the earliest. Corinne Ramey reports for the Wall Street Journal.

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
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    CHEETO is out there firing up the base once more.  After all, wasn't CHEETO the main facilitator of the Jan 6th insurrection that resulted in death and destruction.
    You can't make this up and it is quite concerning.
    BTW-Happy Friday!

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
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    What a sorry clan of sheep and even worse, acolytes.  I know many see the error of their ways but they cannot accept the simple fact that they hitched their wagon to the worst excuse for a president the USA has ever experienced.
    Me first, party along for the ride, country be damned.  The story of power politics.  Get elected then do whatever it takes to get reelected.  Spineless is too kind here.
    Off early Friday evening soap box. 
    BTW-LEO is the name of the game tonight!
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • Botch
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    Cap'n, I've enjoyed the articles from The Atlantic, authored by David Graham, that you've been posting.  
     
    Last night I followed a link and sent Mr. Graham this email:
     

     
    ...and I got this response from him this morning:
     

     
    I guess I'm still uncertain about which buttons to push (congress, the Judiciary, the Press, other?) to get some kind of authority to disqualify the Traitor, up-front.  Hopefully my email planted a seed, and I think I may have to re-send my email to every journalist I know/respect.  We shouldn't even be having this argument.  
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    "I hear you're free on Wednesdays..."    - JB  


  • HeavyG
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    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • lousubcap
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    Peter Baker and his wife, Susan Glasser of the New Yorker wrote quite a book highlighting the four years of CHEETO'S White House run, The Divider. 
    Some great behind the scenes quotes and comments about the total train wreck that was CHEETO'S run. 

    CHEETO makes Nixon look like a saint!
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • lousubcap
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    @Botch- nice move but someone has got to bring the hammer down in terms of guilt at the highest level.  Coulda been achieved had CHEETO been impeached and found guilty but that was not to be.  So here we are once again.
    F' me. 
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • Legume
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    I can't believe people send him money and hold him up as some quasi religious savior.
  • JohnInCarolina
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    @Botch - David Graham is a Duke alumnus, one of our better graduates of late.  I try to read all of his stuff over at the Atlantic.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • lousubcap
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    First up, I did not watch or listen to the Clown Show of last night.  Below are some insights from members of the press who covered it.

    "WACKO IN WACO — It was everything that supporters of DONALD TRUMP love about the former president — and everything his GOP critics absolutely abhor.

    Yesterday, during his first campaign rally of the 2024 cycle, a revenge-hungry Trump blasted his perceived enemies and had his most fervent fans going ballistic about a possible return to the White House. The Waco, Texas-based rally, however, also left many Republican observers shaking their heads about the return of what MIKE PENCE’s aides once dubbed “crazy town.”

    At the top of the rally, organizers played “Justice for All,” a song performed by those imprisoned for storming the Capitol on Jan. 6 — which features a Trump voiceover reciting the Pledge of Allegiance. On a massive screen for the crowd to see, images of the rioters trying to break in and overturn the 2020 election showed while the music played. 1970s rocker TED NUGENT derided Ukraine President VOLODYMYR ZELENSKYY, a hero in the eyes of most of the world (and the father of two children with his wife, Olena), as a “homosexual weirdo.”

    And that was just the warm-up act. Other highlights:

    — Trump claimed the “biggest threat” to the nation wasn’t Russia, China or another foreign adversary, but the people in the “Department of ‘Injustice,’” and “high-level politicians that work in the U.S. government, like [MITCHMcCONNELL, [NANCYPELOSI, [CHUCKSCHUMER, and [JOEBIDEN.”

    — Trump went on to skewer his main 2024 GOP rival, RON DeSANTIS, mocking the Florida governor for “dropping like a rock” in polls, having “no personality” and suggesting DeSantis would be stuck working in a “cigar store” if he hadn’t endorsed him for governor years ago. In fact, Trump gave a dramatic retelling of DeSantis coming to him “with tears in his eyes … at almost nothing in the polls” and “no cash” and begging for endorsement. “Sir, if you endorse me, I'll win,” he recounted DeSantis saying. “Please, sir.”

    — Trump lambasted Manhattan DA ALVIN BRAGG, who is expected to indict him in the coming days, and dismissed Bragg’s probe as yet the latest “witch hunt” against him. “You will be vindicated and proud,” Trump said, suggesting the probes against him were a personal attack on his followers. “The thugs and criminals who are corrupting our justice system will be defeated, discredited and totally disgraced.”

    — Trump dismissed suggestions that he had an affair with porn star STORMY DANIELS, and mocked her appearance. “I never liked her. It’s just not … it’s terrible,” he said. “That would not be the one! There is no one. We have a great First Lady.” 

    — And he savaged MICHAEL COHEN, his former “fixer” and attorney who went to jail in part for paying Daniels off during the 2016 campaign: “They took the word of a proven liar, a convicted felon, and a disbarred lawyer. All the same person.” 

    THE STEPBACK — The clips and headlines coming out of the rally were enough to incite panic in any Republican concerned about the party’s ability to defeat President JOE BIDEN. The current president should be extremely politically vulnerable: Inflation is still hurting voters and some economists are predicting a recession. And yet, rather than attack Biden for those weaknesses, Republicans are held captive to Trump’s grievances.

    “I haven’t watched a Trump event in sometime,” observed ABC’s John Santucci. “But here’s the difference between 2015 and now… In 2015 Trump talked about people’s problems… This rally is all of hisproblems.” 

    “This speech is like getting cornered by a guy at a party who is 11 beers deep and can't stop talking about how his career & marriage didn’t go as well as he hoped,” tweeted Trump critic and Bulwark writer TIM MILLER.

    NYT’s Michael Bender and J. David Goodman had quite the ledesumming all this up: “In the last 28 months … Trump has been voted out of the White House, impeached for his role in the Capitol riot and criticized for marching many of his fellow Republicans off an electoral cliff in the 2022 midterms with his drumbeat of election-fraud lies. He dined at home with a white supremacist … called for the termination of the Constitution … embraced the QAnon conspiracy theory movement, described President VLADIMIR V. PUTIN of Russia as a genius and used a gay joke to mock a fellow Republican … has become the target of four criminal investigations. … Still, Mr. Trump remains a strong front-runner for the Republican Party’s 2024 presidential nomination.”

    The enthusiasm at the rally underscores just how difficult a time Republicans are going to have defeating the man their base still positively loves. As NBC’s Jonathan Allen tweeted, the line of cars waiting to enter the rally was long. His followers, our Meridith McGraw noted, stood in the hot sun for hours to get a glimpse of him. "

    F'me!


    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
  • JohnInCarolina
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  • fishlessman
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    appears trumps new slogan is....NO MORE MISTER NICE GUY
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • HeavyG
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    "The largest crowd in history ever assembled for a political candidate PERIOD." said Sean Spicer.


    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • JohnInCarolina
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    Holding that rally in Waco of all places... what can you say?   I'd love to hear one of his fans defend that choice.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • JohnInCarolina
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    https://secondnexus.com/kilmeade-fox-trump-insane-waco

    When you’ve even lost Kilmeade…
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike