'No Way To Prevent This,' says Only Nation Where This Regularly Happens

lousubcap

Nice read regarding gun violence it the US-You may be surprised what you might find.

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413?utm_ 

WildmanWilson

nolaegghead said:

The gun rights movement really boils down to creating enough distrust of government (run by deep state george soros blood drinking evil libtards) to convince people that if they don't have weapons, they're defenseless against it and it's out to get everyone's guns so it can control the people.

All this is wrapped around a solution of authoritarianism.   Look at all the authoritarian countries out there.  They suck. 

I believe the Founders had a distrust of government and that's why we have the second amendment to start with. Only now, many of you are brainwashed enough to trust them with your life. Here's a little tip for you bub...all governments want more power. 

Kayak

WildmanWilson said:

I believe the Founders had a distrust of government and that's why we have the second amendment to start with. Only now, many of you are brainwashed enough to trust them with your life. Here's a little tip for you bub...all governments want more power. 

Interesting. I distrust the government as much as the next socialist/anarchist, but that's what you think? You are aware they wrote in a function to amend the Constitution, right? Those wealthy white male landowners who thought the country was now theirs wanted people to shoot them if they got out of hand? I think you have a distrust of government and that's why you look for any justification for your gun fetish.

Legume

MAGA republicans pushing 2A while warning against the tyranny of the government is like an arsonist telling you to stock up on smoke alarms and extinguishers.

nolaegghead

Our primary threat is domestic.  Hint: same guys that hide behind the second amendment and invaded the capitol building.

HeavyG

WildmanWilson said:

nolaegghead said:

The gun rights movement really boils down to creating enough distrust of government (run by deep state george soros blood drinking evil libtards) to convince people that if they don't have weapons, they're defenseless against it and it's out to get everyone's guns so it can control the people.

All this is wrapped around a solution of authoritarianism.   Look at all the authoritarian countries out there.  They suck. 

I believe the Founders had a distrust of government and that's why we have the second amendment to start with. Only now, many of you are brainwashed enough to trust them with your life. Here's a little tip for you bub...all governments want more power. 

The Founders had a lot of beliefs that we have seemed to ignore for 200+ years. The Constitution relied on the expectation and formation of militias when needed because they were wary of letting the government keep a large standing army as they feared that it might be used in much the way a king used his army - against its own people. In fact, the Constitution expressly prohibits the formation/maintenance of a large standing army like we have had for the last 80+ years (Article 8, Clause 12). The Constitution only explicitly provides for the formation of the US Navy (Go Navy!).

Thus the 2nd Amendment starts with "a well regulated militia...". Ignoring the first four words of the 2nd is something that is only a recent interpretation. And we can be pretty sure that at some point in the next couple of decades there will be another more logical/reasonable interpretation in place.

Of course it wasn't too many years later that the formation of a rather small army did take root in the first session of the US Congress in 1789 (partly because of the poor performance of so many militias). But that's a whole other, and quite interesting, story. Nonetheless, in 1791 10 of the 12 amendments submitted to the states were ratified and what we call the Bill of Rights still kept mention of a militia as integral to the 2nd.

Interesting side story - one of the 12 amendments that was originally submitted to the states that did not make the cut was one dealing with Congressional pay raises. It wasn't until the 1980's that a researcher realized that that suggested amendment had not essentially "timed out" and thus a campaign was started to revitalize that amendment to have it ratified and it became the 27th amendment in 1992. So the most recent amendment to our Constitution was actually 200 years old. How cool is that?

fishlessman

Rocks are the stepping stone into gun ownership. Just outlaw rocks

dbCooper

A interesting read on gun violence in the US.

"America’s regions are poles apart when it comes to gun deaths and the cultural and ideological forces that drive them."

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2023/04/23/surprising-geography-of-gun-violence-00092413

nolaegghead

One of the goals of the gun lobby (basically the mainstream GOP now) is to stop all levels of government from compiling data on gun violence and accidental gun injuries.

https://www.npr.org/2018/04/05/599773911/how-the-nra-worked-to-stifle-gun-violence-research

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/pressroom/sosmap/firearm_mortality/firearm.htm

nolaegghead

Not surprisingly, where there are more guns, there is more gun violence.  

Same holds true with countries.

Botch

nolaegghead said:

Not surprisingly, where there are more guns, there is more gun violence.  

Same holds true with countries.

Not always.  Sweden, for instance, requires every single household to own a firearm, but their gun violence is low.
Over the past decades there've been attempts to at least do studies of the gun culture vs gun violence, in many countries throughout the world, but the nra firmly blocks even those studies (I have read independent comparisons, and the differences were very eye-opening).  

nolaegghead

Botch said:

nolaegghead said:

Not surprisingly, where there are more guns, there is more gun violence.  

Same holds true with countries.

Not always.  Sweden, for instance, requires every single household to own a firearm, but their gun violence is low.
Over the past decades there've been attempts to at least do studies of the gun culture vs gun violence, in many countries throughout the world, but the nra firmly blocks even those studies (I have read independent comparisons, and the differences were very eye-opening).  

That’s a good point but a bit misleading.  

The chances of men between the ages 15 and 29 in Sweden getting shot were ten times higher than their counterparts in Germany, a 2018 study found, according to The Economist.

From https://www.forbes.com/sites/lisakim/2021/10/22/swedens-brutal-gang-problem-heres-what-officials-blame-it-on/

Botch

Huh, I did not know that before.  
Thanks Carey!  

JohnInCarolina

In line with the above:

https://www.nbcnews.com/health/health-news/map-gun-death-rates-lower-cities-than-rural-counties-rcna81462

Legume

Five dead in Texas shooting, armed suspect on the loose, ABC News reports
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/5-dead-texas-shooting-armed-suspect-loose-abc-news-2023-04-29/

Botch

"well-regulated"....   

nolaegghead

Legume said:

Five dead in Texas shooting, armed suspect on the loose, ABC News reports
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/5-dead-texas-shooting-armed-suspect-loose-abc-news-2023-04-29/

This is so common it's sadly just becoming the ambient background noise living in America.

HeavyG

nolaegghead said:

Legume said:

Five dead in Texas shooting, armed suspect on the loose, ABC News reports
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/5-dead-texas-shooting-armed-suspect-loose-abc-news-2023-04-29/

This is so common it's sadly just becoming the ambient background noise living in America.

To the gun cultists it's just "acceptable losses". Until the mass shootings start occurring more often in places where the upper crusts congregate there won't be much impetus to change things.

lousubcap

nolaegghead said:

Legume said:

Five dead in Texas shooting, armed suspect on the loose, ABC News reports
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/5-dead-texas-shooting-armed-suspect-loose-abc-news-2023-04-29/

This is so common it's sadly just becoming the ambient background noise living in America.

So sad but true.  Numbing effect.  While not in the same vein, like the space shuttle launches til one exploded. 

nolaegghead

HeavyG said:

nolaegghead said:

Legume said:

Five dead in Texas shooting, armed suspect on the loose, ABC News reports
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/5-dead-texas-shooting-armed-suspect-loose-abc-news-2023-04-29/

This is so common it's sadly just becoming the ambient background noise living in America.

To the gun cultists it's just "acceptable losses". Until the mass shootings start occurring more often in places where the upper crusts congregate there won't be much impetus to change things.

John Stennis, Gabby Gifford, Steve Scalise....

HeavyG

nolaegghead said:

HeavyG said:

nolaegghead said:

Legume said:

Five dead in Texas shooting, armed suspect on the loose, ABC News reports
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/5-dead-texas-shooting-armed-suspect-loose-abc-news-2023-04-29/

This is so common it's sadly just becoming the ambient background noise living in America.

To the gun cultists it's just "acceptable losses". Until the mass shootings start occurring more often in places where the upper crusts congregate there won't be much impetus to change things.

John Stennis, Gabby Gifford, Steve Scalise....

Those are all politicians. I mean, we're a nation that has had four Presidents killed by guns with two more "just" shot by guns. Politicians aren't part of the "upper crust".

Once the nut jobs start mass shooting country clubs, polo matches, etc. then the donor class will start demanding change and their puppets will have to act.

Perhaps tho, since human lives don't seem too important, all it might take is a few nutters to go to one or two Concours de Elegance and riddle all their priceless cars with a few hundred rounds. Shoot thru some engine blocks with their .50 cal. 

Canugghead

https://twitter.com/JiffSchwazz/status/1642208832544985088?t=rVQeiNTLmO3z3ThfBO-yMA&s=19

HeavyG

It's also always cracked me up that the NRA prohibits convention attendees from showing up fully "locked and loaded".

What, they don't trust "good guys with guns"?

JohnInCarolina

HeavyG said:

nolaegghead said:

Legume said:

Five dead in Texas shooting, armed suspect on the loose, ABC News reports
https://www.reuters.com/world/us/5-dead-texas-shooting-armed-suspect-loose-abc-news-2023-04-29/

This is so common it's sadly just becoming the ambient background noise living in America.

To the gun cultists it's just "acceptable losses". Until the mass shootings start occurring more often in places where the upper crusts congregate there won't be much impetus to change things.

After Sandy Hook happened and we did nothing I became convinced that there is no tragedy, no set of combined circumstances that would ever provide impetus for meaningful change.  If twenty dead six and seven year olds doesn’t move the needle, well…

nolaegghead

I think that dislike is really saying: dead kids are fine in my book, just don’t do anything about it

JohnInCarolina

nolaegghead said:

I think that dislike is really saying: dead kids are fine in my book, just don’t do anything about it

Most likely from our resident nazi.

nolaegghead

That’s a lawn dart bullseye, right in the cranium, affirmative.

JohnInCarolina

nolaegghead said:

That’s a lawn dart bullseye, right in the cranium, affirmative.

I do feel bad about calling someone who posted a cartoon of Trump dressed in an SS uniform and killing a Jew in a gas chamber a nazi.  I don’t know what I was thinking!

To be fair to Pete too I don’t think he’s a bigot or a racist or a white nationalist, even if he did like to watch one on TV.

nolaegghead

Someone disagrees with that, they could be…very close to P*te

caliking

*slow clap*

https://twitter.com/GregAbbott_TX/status/1652783731290013696?ref_src=twsrc%5Etfw%7Ctwcamp%5Etweetembed%7Ctwterm%5E1652783731290013696%7Ctwgr%5E9f96678d5842dfb62f8698e93498bc2fb0fdfec3%7Ctwcon%5Es1_&ref_url=https%3A%2F%2Fwww.businessinsider.com%2Fgov-greg-abbott-immigration-status-cleveland-texas-mass-shooting-victims-2023-4