OT - Politics & Religion Thread - OT!!

Phaqallyall

We need to hear more about everyone's favorite imaginary friend, Jesus F Christ.  

Eoin

The neo Nazis are out in London today in an anti-anti-racist demo (ie racist demo). Already doing heil hitler salutes while chanting Ingerland at the Cenotaph (memorial to the war dead). I don't think they get irony.

The Cen-Tex Smoker

Eoin said:

Also, in the stupid stakes, Boris<Trump.

The thought of anyone<Trump is horrifying. 

GATraveller

nolaegghead said:

etherdome said:

This is an honest question.  What is the element of racism in the George Floyd murder? I've been baffled by this. George being black and the cop being white is not a valid answer. Is there some back story that hasn't been publicized?  I have no doubt that African Americans, generally, don't get treated the same by many police and for that I have much empathy. There have been many clear cut cases of unarmed farican american innocents being killed by cops that could have started this movement. Why this one? In this situation he committed a crime, resisted arrest, and had multiple drugs in his system that more than likely contributed to his death (under the circumstances). This appears to be a case of police brutality which is a completely separate issue. Don't hate me for asking....... 

He didn't resist.  He may have not known he passed a counterfeit bill.  If he was a white guy in a business suit, seems unfathomable this would have happened.

 Everything I've read outlining the events as they unfolded say Floyd resisted until the time he was cuffed and on his stomach. It could quite possibly have never escalated to the level it had had he been respectful and compliant....maybe not. It's a terrible  tragedy! 

SemolinaPilchard

Now there are calls to tear down statues of Gandhi.

ColbyLang

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

HeavyG

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

Watch the video of that event and then tell me that lethal force (cop shot the fellow in the back) was justified.

loco_engr

ColbyLang

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

Watch the video of that event and then tell me that lethal force (cop shot the fellow in the back) was justified.

I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable. I know the dude was asleep in line in his car in the drive thru. I know he failed a sobriety test, resisted arrest, overpowered one of them and tried to flee the scene. You think Wendy’s getting burned down was justifiable? 

HeavyG

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

Watch the video of that event and then tell me that lethal force (cop shot the fellow in the back) was justified.

I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable. I know the dude was asleep in line in his car in the drive thru. I know he failed a sobriety test, resisted arrest, overpowered one of them and tried to flee the scene. You think Wendy’s getting burned down was justifiable? 

"I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable..."

thetrim

thetrim

ColbyLang

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

Watch the video of that event and then tell me that lethal force (cop shot the fellow in the back) was justified.

I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable. I know the dude was asleep in line in his car in the drive thru. I know he failed a sobriety test, resisted arrest, overpowered one of them and tried to flee the scene. You think Wendy’s getting burned down was justifiable? 

"I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable..."

Bottom line is, that’s for a jury to decide. News report said he was shot once he pointed taser at the cop. Maybe the cops should just carry whistles in your world? 

Botch

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

I can't defend his drunk driving.
But put yourself in his shoes for a minute.  For the last two weeks he's watched police murder a guy just like him, handcuffed, with a knee on his throat, over and over on TV.  
And now, there he is, being handcuffed by two police officers.  I think I may have tried to bolt, too.  

ColbyLang

Botch said:

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

I can't defend his drunk driving.
But put yourself in his shoes for a minute.  For the last two weeks he's watched police murder a guy just like him, handcuffed, with a knee on his throat, over and over on TV.  
And now, there he is, being handcuffed by two police officers.  I think I may have tried to bolt, too.  

I’ve tried Botch. Cops get a bad wrap no matter what. You never encounter Police on the best day of your life under great circumstances. These guys and gals, like @Battleborn risk themselves numerous times a shift. They followed protocol. It’s being ruled a homicide. Cops I know are calling in lawful but awful. Could it have been handled differently? I’m sure. You’ve asked me to put myself in his position, put yourself in the Cops position.....

HeavyG

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

Watch the video of that event and then tell me that lethal force (cop shot the fellow in the back) was justified.

I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable. I know the dude was asleep in line in his car in the drive thru. I know he failed a sobriety test, resisted arrest, overpowered one of them and tried to flee the scene. You think Wendy’s getting burned down was justifiable? 

"I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable..."

Bottom line is, that’s for a jury to decide. News report said he was shot once he pointed taser at the cop. Maybe the cops should just carry whistles in your world? 

Well, there certainly are cops who probably shouldn't be allowed to carry more than a whistle.

So the coroner has ruled his death a homicide. Two bullet holes in his back. There may well be a scenario which justifies shooting someone in the back but some agitated drunk guy running around a parking lot doesn't strike me as one of those scenarios.

Why shoot? You know who he is. You know where he lives. You have his car. Let him run - he'll probably pass back out in just a minute or so anyway.

ColbyLang

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

Watch the video of that event and then tell me that lethal force (cop shot the fellow in the back) was justified.

I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable. I know the dude was asleep in line in his car in the drive thru. I know he failed a sobriety test, resisted arrest, overpowered one of them and tried to flee the scene. You think Wendy’s getting burned down was justifiable? 

"I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable..."

Bottom line is, that’s for a jury to decide. News report said he was shot once he pointed taser at the cop. Maybe the cops should just carry whistles in your world? 

Well, there certainly are cops who probably shouldn't be allowed to carry more than a whistle.

So the coroner has ruled his death a homicide. Two bullet holes in his back. There may well be a scenario which justifies shooting someone in the back but some agitated drunk guy running around a parking lot doesn't strike me as one of those scenarios.

Why shoot? You know who he is. You know where he lives. You have his car. Let him run - he'll probably pass back out in just a minute or so anyway.

It’s easy for any of us to say what should/should not have happened. None of us were there. We weren’t the cops who responded to the call. 

HeavyG

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

Watch the video of that event and then tell me that lethal force (cop shot the fellow in the back) was justified.

I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable. I know the dude was asleep in line in his car in the drive thru. I know he failed a sobriety test, resisted arrest, overpowered one of them and tried to flee the scene. You think Wendy’s getting burned down was justifiable? 

"I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable..."

Bottom line is, that’s for a jury to decide. News report said he was shot once he pointed taser at the cop. Maybe the cops should just carry whistles in your world? 

Well, there certainly are cops who probably shouldn't be allowed to carry more than a whistle.

So the coroner has ruled his death a homicide. Two bullet holes in his back. There may well be a scenario which justifies shooting someone in the back but some agitated drunk guy running around a parking lot doesn't strike me as one of those scenarios.

Why shoot? You know who he is. You know where he lives. You have his car. Let him run - he'll probably pass back out in just a minute or so anyway.

It’s easy for any of us to say what should/should not have happened. None of us were there. We weren’t the cops who responded to the call. 

You're right it's easy after the fact.

However, what that does show is that the cop that shot the man twice in the back was seriously lacking adequate training (a problem with most police departments) and may also have had a personality more prone to panic and was best suited to maybe just writing parking tickets.

Just imagine what airline travel would be like if commercial airline pilots were as ill prepared for those rare moments when things go wrong as too many cops seem to be.

Most states require more training to become a barber than it takes to become a cop. In North Carolina for instance you can become a cop with just 620 hours of training while it take a barber over 1500 hours to legally hang out a shingle and cut someones hair. Priorities amiright?

ColbyLang

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

Bottom line is police/sheriff deputies/first responders get no respect for doing their job. They’re rioting in Atlanta because a criminal was shot last night. He resisted arrest, took the officer’s taser and fled. All on witness video. But I’m sure he was innocent too. 

Watch the video of that event and then tell me that lethal force (cop shot the fellow in the back) was justified.

I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable. I know the dude was asleep in line in his car in the drive thru. I know he failed a sobriety test, resisted arrest, overpowered one of them and tried to flee the scene. You think Wendy’s getting burned down was justifiable? 

"I’m not in Law Enforcement. I don’t know whether or not it was justifiable..."

Bottom line is, that’s for a jury to decide. News report said he was shot once he pointed taser at the cop. Maybe the cops should just carry whistles in your world? 

Well, there certainly are cops who probably shouldn't be allowed to carry more than a whistle.

So the coroner has ruled his death a homicide. Two bullet holes in his back. There may well be a scenario which justifies shooting someone in the back but some agitated drunk guy running around a parking lot doesn't strike me as one of those scenarios.

Why shoot? You know who he is. You know where he lives. You have his car. Let him run - he'll probably pass back out in just a minute or so anyway.

It’s easy for any of us to say what should/should not have happened. None of us were there. We weren’t the cops who responded to the call. 

You're right it's easy after the fact.

However, what that does show is that the cop that shot the man twice in the back was seriously lacking adequate training (a problem with most police departments) and may also have had a personality more prone to panic and was best suited to maybe just writing parking tickets.

Just imagine what airline travel would be like if commercial airline pilots were as ill prepared for those rare moments when things go wrong as too many cops seem to be.

Most states require more training to become a barber than it takes to become a cop. In North Carolina for instance you can become a cop with just 620 hours of training while it take a barber over 1500 hours to legally hang out a shingle and cut someones hair. Priorities amiright?

Agreed, didn’t think we’d ever come to that huh!

ColbyLang

I guess we won’t discuss the ATL police all calling in sick.....

NCSmoky

ColbyLang said:

I guess we won’t discuss the ATL police all calling in sick.....

Don't need them. We have Comrades at the ready

Canugghead

NCSmoky

Canugghead said:

Fascists.... every one of them. Where are the Gulags when you need them.

HeavyG

ColbyLang said:

I guess we won’t discuss the ATL police all calling in sick.....

Fire them. I don't believe public employees should be allowed to strike (and that is exactly what the "blue flu" is).

Reagan did the right thing when the air traffic controllers/PATCO members went on strike.

NCSmoky

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

I guess we won’t discuss the ATL police all calling in sick.....

Fire them. I don't believe public employees should be allowed to strike (and that is exactly what the "blue flu" is).

Reagan did the right thing when the air traffic controllers/PATCO members went on strike.

We'd be better off with crisis management personnel and social workers than cops. Take all of their salaries and put it in a community outreach fund. Property belongs to the People anyway, we don't need them out patrolling the streets.

ColbyLang

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

I guess we won’t discuss the ATL police all calling in sick.....

Fire them. I don't believe public employees should be allowed to strike (and that is exactly what the "blue flu" is).

Reagan did the right thing when the air traffic controllers/PATCO members went on strike.

Easier said than done. A police force that size may be unionized. 

HeavyG

ColbyLang said:

HeavyG said:

ColbyLang said:

I guess we won’t discuss the ATL police all calling in sick.....

Fire them. I don't believe public employees should be allowed to strike (and that is exactly what the "blue flu" is).

Reagan did the right thing when the air traffic controllers/PATCO members went on strike.

Easier said than done. A police force that size may be unionized. 

True. But more states should prohibit public employee unions to begin with.

In all states, including those that do allow public employees to unionize it is illegal for police/firefighters to strike. That's why cops will come down with the "blue flu" occasionally. Technically they're not striking and there are ways of dealing with that but too many elected officials don't want to be considered to be working against their "heroes".

There may well be a sea change happening in that regard and we'll find more elected officials soon taking a harder line against their first responder agencies.

NCSmoky

HeavyG said: 

True. But more states should prohibit public employee unions to begin with.

In all states, including those that do allow public employees to unionize it is illegal for police/firefighters to strike. That's why cops will come down with the "blue flu" occasionally. Technically they're not striking and there are ways of dealing with that but too many elected officials don't want to be considered to be working against their "heroes".

There may well be a sea change happening in that regard and we'll find more elected officials soon taking a harder line against their first responder agencies.

NCSmoky

Phaqallyall said:

We need to hear more about everyone's favorite imaginary friend, Jesus F Christ.  

Lol I know... right? We’re still down with Buddha, Allah, Yahweh and Satan though right? They’re all still cool?

nolaegghead

bump!