Get on your knees

nolaegghead

JNDATHP said:

nolaegghead said:

JNDATHP said:

I don't think you quoted me properly. Please re-read my post in its entirety. 

Are you saying that if it's on the Internet it must be true? If you are discounting personal history then I must disagree. 

My independent thought has been expressed. If you disagree, that is your right.

I reread it.  I never said anything about "if it's on the internet it must be true", that's ridiculous. 

Furthermore, I don't think there's any stock in thought that's labelled as "independent".  In the parlance of debate, facts and data are used, the veracity of that is based on source, collaboration, etc.  It's pretty academic.

If debate was so black and white we would not have gridlock in Washington because facts and data would prevail. 

Your statement about debate is, well, simplified to put it at its best. 

When you have walked in my shoes you may just come around to some of my position.  I will always attempt to understand yours. 

Let me me quote my own post:

I am am not one who has rouge around my neck. I do however have patriotic views. I am one who has been shot and shot at while protecting the rights of those who did the shooting. 

I don't know your history, and I would be sympathetic to any bad experiences, but the microcosm of our personal experience is not anything I would use to influence debate on what we're talking about.  I've had an illegal alien hold a 38 to my skull, and I've held a 9 mm to the skull of a guy trying to brake into my tenant's apartment as I grabbed him by the collar and jerked him back.  Fortunately no one died in either case, but I don't understand what any of this has to do with some professional athletes passively protesting. 

NPHuskerFL

@Sardonicus Absolutely NOT my intentions. They're completely different. But, things and situations aren't as black and white as some would paint them to be.
So Eric Gardner had no criminal record, minding his own business, that heeded to officers requests was innocent.
I would ascertain there was no way a different ending could've been achieved. 
Were the LEO right? No. Would he still be above ground had he swallowed his pride and followed officers orders? Likely yes. 

HeavyG

Gee, since all the fans are going to quit watching NFL games maybe I can score some Super Bowl tickets for a reasonable price this season. Sweet!

Funny thing is that I couldn't care less about American "football" (pro or collegiate) but I think it might be fun to experience a Super Bowl once.

thetrim

Congrats to this thread for seeing the sun this morning!  #DefyAllOdds

NPHuskerFL

nolaegghead said:

 don't understand what any of this has to do with some professional athletes passively protesting.  

Absolutely zilch. They want to make a change? Help folks of color? Why not be involved more in the community whether it be financially or their own time helping make a change or difference. And I'm not talking  a PR photo op. You can't tell me there is not one single solitary other way that they could passively protest besides doing it during the national anthem before each and every game.  As a veteran I know that we fight for all American's right to freedom.  And I do 100% believe in racial equality.    As much as it pains me this is their right no matter how misguided I feel it is. But, it's also the right of those that don't agree with the forum or way they are protesting it not to watch it and not support the NFL in its decision in allowing it. It's sad the NFL wouldn't let the Cowboys pay respect to the fallen officers during a game because of uniform regulations and NO I'm NOT comparing the two. At the end of the day the NFL is still a business. 

Legume

HeavyG said:

Gee, since all the fans are going to quit watching NFL games maybe I can score some Super Bowl tickets for a reasonable price this season. Sweet!

Funny thing is that I couldn't care less about American "football" (pro or collegiate) but I think it might be fun to experience a Super Bowl once.

I went once years ago.  Found it to be very different than a regular season or even playoff game. Much, much more corporate, fewer fans, more spectacle, more "look at me, I'm at the Suoer Bowl" and that was before social media existed.  In person isn't the way to watch the Super Bowl in my opinion, just a box to check if you want.

fishlessman

could care less about the knee thing, more to do with the trump tweets than having any true meaning. in fact theres so much random protesting out there its becoming meaningless to me, it just sounds like a bunch of mosquitoes buzzing about

NPHuskerFL

fishlessman said:
so much random protesting out there its becoming meaningless to me, it just sounds like a bunch of mosquitoes buzzing about

I couldn't agree more. I can't recall anytime in my lifetime that protests have been so run amok. When Sonic gets rid of their Boneless Wings and their Custard Concretes perhaps there will be more protesting. Or if Starbucks decides not to sell pumpkin spice lattes in October

saluki2007

NPHuskerFL said:

nolaegghead said:

 don't understand what any of this has to do with some professional athletes passively protesting.  

Absolutely zilch. They want to make a change? Help folks of color? Why not be involved more in the community whether it be financially or their own time helping make a change or difference. And I'm not talking  a PR photo op. You can't tell me there is not one single solitary other way that they could passively protest besides doing it during the national anthem before each and every game.  As a veteran I know that we fight for all American's right to freedom.  And I do 100% believe in racial equality.    As much as it pains me this is their right no matter how misguided I feel it is. But, it's also the right of those that don't agree with the forum or way they are protesting it not to watch it and not support the NFL in its decision in allowing it. It's sad the NFL wouldn't let the Cowboys pay respect to the fallen officers during a game because of uniform regulations and NO I'm NOT comparing the two. At the end of the day the NFL is still a business. 

http://ftw.usatoday.com/2017/08/colin-kaepernick-nfl-national-anthem-protest-one-million-dollar-pledge-donations-empower-communities

JohnInCarolina

Gotta love Trump photoshopping his own hand to make it bigger.

ewyllins

@thetrim couldn't agree with you more!!! When your body is coming out of the back of a C130 with the flag draped over it, it (flag) does not care if your Black, Hispanic, White or any other ethnicity and I think that's why we should show respect for the anthem and the flag, and yes some of you will say it's cliche but we honor/respect, at the games, all who have and continue to serve. If the players want to protest they should turn around and protest the police at the game.

That's just my opinion, I tend to be extremely patriotic when I have a 21 year old currently serving and every time I hear the anthem or see the flag it makes me very proud. 

JohnInCarolina

I asked this in the other thread but I'll ask it here: when did kneeling become a show of disrespect?

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

I asked this in the other thread but I'll ask it here: when did kneeling become a show of disrespect?

i think it started here with the lib media

Legume

JohnInCarolina said:

I asked this in the other thread but I'll ask it here: when did kneeling become a show of disrespect?

When the standard is standing.

The_Stache

NFL League Rulebook Pages A62-63  The National Anthem must be played prior to every NFL game, and all players must be on the sideline for the National Anthem.

During the National Anthem, players on the field and bench area should stand at attention, face the flag, hold helmets in their left hand, and refrain from talking. The home team should ensure that the American flag is in good condition. It should be pointed out to players and coaches that we continue to be judged by the public in this area of respect for the flag and our country. Failure to be on the field by the start of the National Anthem may result in discipline, such as fines, suspensions, and/or the forfeiture of draft choice(s) for violations of the above, including first offenses.

Section 301(b) of title 36 of the U.S. code says that when the national anthem is played, Armed Services members in uniform should give the military salute at the first note of the song and maintain that position until the last note.

Armed Forces members and veterans who are present but not in uniform may do the same.

“All other persons present should face the flag and stand at attention with their right hand over the heart, and men not in uniform, if applicable,

should remove their headdress with their right hand and hold it at the left shoulder, the hand being over the heart.”

JohnEggGio

I won't be watching.  I don't recall ever missing Ravens v Steelers, but I won't watch Sunday.

Up to the minute...28,362 have signed an online petition to remove the Ray Lewis statue from Ravens Stadium.

GATraveller

Maybe if guys spent more time parenting and educating their children then this wouldn't be a issue. 

DoubleEgger

Just wondering how many folks are boycotting country music because that country singer knelt at the Titans game. 

NPHuskerFL

@saluki2007 I knew Kaepernick pledged money. And that was a nice and noble thing to do no doubt. But. now that the majority of the league, so to speak, is following his lead it would be awesome if each one would do the same thing. I can imagine it would have a pretty significant impact on poorer communities. But more importantly their time. Do they have to do this? Absolutely not it's their money and their time.  And I fully understand the platform they are using is being noticed and that's kind of the whole point. 

Focker

JohnInCarolina said:

I asked this in the other thread but I'll ask it here: when did kneeling become a show of disrespect?

What were you raised to do when the NA is played?  Were you raised to sit when you pee too? 

NPHuskerFL

DoubleEgger said:

Just wondering how many folks are boycotting country music because that country singer knelt at the Titans game. 

Didn't listen to her before so....
https://youtu.be/1_Z5l2wpVE4

DoubleEgger

NPHuskerFL said:

DoubleEgger said:

Just wondering how many folks are boycotting country music because that country singer knelt at the Titans game. 

Didn't listen to her before so....
https://youtu.be/1_Z5l2wpVE4

That guy is misguided. It is not and has not been a protest against the anthem. It is a protest against police brutality against blacks and racial oppression. 

fishlessman

im going to boycott country music now never liked it before anyways. like the title of this post, i just see john with a get on you knees sign at a womans day rights protest wondering why he is surrounded by angry women

NPHuskerFL

JohnEggGio said:

I won't be watching.  I don't recall ever missing Ravens v Steelers, but I won't watch Sunday.

Up to the minute...28,362 have signed an online petition to remove the Ray Lewis statue from Ravens Stadium.

Likewise a Broncos v Raiders game. 

DoubleEgger

Players knelt for the entire 2016 season. Why didn't you boycott last year? 

stlcharcoal

I don't get what one has to do with the other......meaning why piss a bunch of people off by [what they perceive as] disrespect, during something that is not connected?

For instance, some people who are against killing animals for fur coats, so they throw red paint on customers at fur coat stores.  Some people that are against hunting whales, so they screw with the whaling ships.  Some people who are pro-life abortions protest, block the entrance, or get even more extreme at abortion clinics.  And some who are against genetic mods of seeds, green house emissions, (and the list goes on and on), protest the whoever their offender is.

They DON'T go out and screw with the rest of us that are just trying to get to work or go somewhere with our families.  Over the last 2 weeks in St. Louis we've had the U2 concert cancelled and dozens of charity events downtown because of "civil unrest".  They're protesting the police HQ--ok, yes that's their beef--but then they're breaking business owners' windows, knocking over planters, marching into malls, shutting down major thoroughfares, they keep trying to get on the interstate, etc.  

This is all a "hey look at me" thing and it just makes more sense to go after the people they perceive as the problem (or better yet help those they see as  victims.)  Why try to push a cause by pissing off a bunch of people (some of which may actually support your cause) by bitching, disrespecting, inconveniencing, and downright screwing with their lives via a platform that has NOTHING to do with anything?  Bad marketing on their part.  Biting the hand that feeds is never a good idea in the first place, but any protest doesn't target their market isn't helping the cause.  That's just bid'nuss plain and simple.

YEMTrey

This is exactly what the entire country needs right now!

HendersonTRKing

Here's the best 3 minutes I've seen on the entire subject.  Worth a watch, whatever your political stripes -- respectful presentation of thought/fact/opinion is what's key, amirite?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=A9HcyymM7Xc

DoubleEgger

Sardonicus

One thing is evident:  Our President is an Artist at selecting and pushing buttons when he needs a distraction.
A Con's gotta know his marks.

Meanwhile,  Walter Scott is still dead.