Get on your knees

bgebrent

Only one reason to be on your knees. 

JohnInCarolina

TN_Egger said:

Are any college players kneeling?  What would happen if a military academy player kneeled?

I guess maybe we'll find out on Saturday.

mEGG_My_Day

Almost all college teams come out of the tunnel after the anthem is played

JohnInCarolina

bgebrent said:

Only one reason to be on your knees. 

Some of the animals in the petting zoo are pretty close to the ground, height-wise.

blasting

JohnInCarolina said:

Finally someone signed kaepernick!

Sardonicus

NPHuskerFL said:

. . . I look forward to football all year and quite frankly if I want to hear or see politics I can see&hear that on any channel at any given time. When I turn on my game that's what I want to see . . .

Hmmm.  A broadcast of an NFL game lasts about two hours.  The singing/playing of Our national anthem lasts two or three minutes.
The opening salvo of commercial lasts longer.  Much.

's a Free Country, thank goodness.  We all get to choose our bellyaches, I guess.
  

thetrim

F the NFL!    Organization of shitheads.  

Legume

blasting said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Finally someone signed kaepernick!

That's funny!

thetrim

Just watched "Braveheart" again.  I didn't remember it being that long.  Anyway, taking a battle axe to Kaepernick's and many other NFLer's heads would be an appropriate response. 

DMW

thetrim said:

Just watched "Braveheart" again.  I didn't remember it being that long.  Anyway, taking a battle axe to Kaepernick's and many other NFLer's heads would be an appropriate response. 

Well then...

blasting

thetrim said:

Just watched "Braveheart" again.  I didn't remember it being that long.  Anyway, taking a battle axe to Kaepernick's and many other NFLer's heads would be an appropriate response. 

HeavyG

TN_Egger said:

Are any college players kneeling?  What would happen if a military academy player kneeled?

Good question.

I wonder how many demerits or pullups that might add up to?

Sardonicus

For those who forgot, as Our President [and others] intended,
this Man died for allegedly selling loose cigarettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXqYwyzQpM

One story.
  

StillH2OEgger

thetrim said:

Just watched "Braveheart" again.  I didn't remember it being that long.  Anyway, taking a battle axe to Kaepernick's and many other NFLer's heads would be an appropriate response. 

Interesting. I'm sure you're either drunk or trolling, but what do you propose we do with those who assault or rape women and drive while intoxicated? You know, things that are against the law and not protected by our constitution.

nolaegghead

Focker said:

JNDATHP said:

nolaegghead said:

JNDATHP said:

How many of you who work for an employer would be permitted to protest on company time, especially if your position did not align with your employer's?

I don't want to watch political protests, just the entertainment of the game. Similarly I don't want to listen to celebrities' political slants - just their entertainment. 

I'm obviously old school - I place my hand over my heart while standing for the national anthem, the raising or lowering of our beloved flag and our Pledge of Allegiance. 

Lemmings can be good people. 

Lemmings are animals that, without thought, follow the one in front of them. 

Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence. You need not agree with me, but please explain your position with thoughtful criticism as opposed to personal attack. 

I don't think thoughtful criticism is possible fer the ol' nola-it-all.

Golly Gee, Wilbur! (hyuck hyuck)  Let's go there Fockhead.

Regarding "Lemmings are animals that, without thought, follow the one in front of them."  This suggests a google search.   Learn somfin new every day, am i right?!

"Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence."  If I can dissect this, it's a nonsensical statement.  Discourse is discussion, and political is the type of discussion.  I dunno the point here.  Maybe I'm, like Focker said, unable to have thoughtful criticism.

Moving to the conclusion before the penultimate statement, I did in fact state lemmings can be good people.  So one may assume (correctly) that the vanilla (my opinion) statement I replied to qualified as a "lemming" response.  Got that out of the way.  Guess I'm an a-hole. 

The penultimate statement: "please explain your position with thoughtful criticism". 

Isn't having the freedom to express your contrary opinions without retribution from your employer a freedom of democracy?  I would say yes.  I'm for that. 

I have frequent discourse with my employers about political subjects, yet, I am not fired for it.  Maybe others have the same experience.  I would hope that we are not puppets controlled by our employers.

You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important.

You do not want to listen to celebrity political slants.  So you are in favor of censorship?  That, to me, is abhorrent.  We, most of us, in the United States, embrace freedom of speech.  I support everyone's freedom to express themselves, even groups I find abhorrent, like the KKK, White Nationalists, Westboro baptist church, etc.  You don't have to like it, you don't have to listen to it, but it's part of muthafuckin freedom, so deal with it.

I get that you like to cover your heart with your hand during the national anthem.  Good for you.  I do that too.

Fockhead, is that not thoughtful enough for you?

blasting

Sardonicus said:

For those who forgot, as Our President [and others] intended,
this Man died for allegedly selling loose cigarettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXqYwyzQpM

One story.
  

That was a sad story.  Like most of those stories, it may have had a very different ending had he complied with law enforcement.

Sardonicus

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

For those who forgot, as Our President [and others] intended,
this Man died for allegedly selling loose cigarettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXqYwyzQpM

One story.
  

That was a sad story.  Like most of those stories, it may have had a very different ending had he complied with law enforcement.

We can disagree, but I posit that Mr. Garner was NOT the only one making poor decisions in that situation.  
The other people involved and seen in that video were Professional Peace Officers - trained and commissioned to serve and protect.  Had they behaved more in accordance with their proclaimed mission, that "sad story", like many of those stories, may have had a very different ending.

JNDATHP

nolaegghead said:

Focker said:

JNDATHP said:

nolaegghead said:

JNDATHP said:

How many of you who work for an employer would be permitted to protest on company time, especially if your position did not align with your employer's?

I don't want to watch political protests, just the entertainment of the game. Similarly I don't want to listen to celebrities' political slants - just their entertainment. 

I'm obviously old school - I place my hand over my heart while standing for the national anthem, the raising or lowering of our beloved flag and our Pledge of Allegiance. 

Lemmings can be good people. 

Lemmings are animals that, without thought, follow the one in front of them. 

Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence. You need not agree with me, but please explain your position with thoughtful criticism as opposed to personal attack. 

I don't think thoughtful criticism is possible fer the ol' nola-it-all.

Golly Gee, Wilbur! (hyuck hyuck)  Let's go there Fockhead.

Regarding "Lemmings are animals that, without thought, follow the one in front of them."  This suggests a google search.   Learn somfin new every day, am i right?!

"Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence."  If I can dissect this, it's a nonsensical statement.  Discourse is discussion, and political is the type of discussion.  I dunno the point here.  Maybe I'm, like Focker said, unable to have thoughtful criticism.

Moving to the conclusion before the penultimate statement, I did in fact state lemmings can be good people.  So one may assume (correctly) that the vanilla (my opinion) statement I replied to qualified as a "lemming" response.  Got that out of the way.  Guess I'm an a-hole. 

The penultimate statement: "please explain your position with thoughtful criticism". 

Isn't having the freedom to express your contrary opinions without retribution from your employer a freedom of democracy?  I would say yes.  I'm for that. 

I have frequent discourse with my employers about political subjects, yet, I am not fired for it.  Maybe others have the same experience.  I would hope that we are not puppets controlled by our employers.

You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important.

You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important. 
.

I get that you like to cover your heart with your hand during the national anthem.  Good for you.  I do that too.

Fockhead, is that not thoughtful enough for you?

---- Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence."  If I can dissect this, it's a nonsensical statement.  Discourse is discussion, and political is the type of discussion.  I dunno the point here.  Maybe I'm, like Focker said, unable to have thoughtful criticism. 

Perhaps you are not understanding the point. In order to debate, one must be able to have independent thought because rote responses will inevitably fail. 

--- Moving to the conclusion before the penultimate statement, I did in fact state lemmings can be good people.  So one may assume (correctly) that the vanilla (my opinion) statement I replied to qualified as a "lemming" response.  Got that out of the way.  Guess I'm an a-hole.

Your response that included Lemmings suggested that you thought I was one. If not, then in the future please expound so there is no confusion: one line responses can sometimes be misinterpreted. 

--- You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important. 

No, I think I made it very clear that I do not want to watch political activism when what is being presented to me is entertainment. 

Extrapolating my comments to communist oppression is the wrong statement. I fully support the first amendment. I merely suggest that those who are in the entertainment industry do so on their own time. 

My post that on company time one should not promote their political points of view does not diminish the first amendment just as the prohibition of shouting "bomb" in an airport or "fire" in a theater does. 

I am am not one who has rouge around my neck. I do however have patriotic views. I am one who has been shot and shot at while protecting the rights of those who did the shooting. 

blasting

Sardonicus said:

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

For those who forgot, as Our President [and others] intended,
this Man died for allegedly selling loose cigarettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXqYwyzQpM

One story.
  

That was a sad story.  Like most of those stories, it may have had a very different ending had he complied with law enforcement.

We can disagree, but Mr. Garner was NOT the only one making poor decisions in that situation.  
The other people involved and seen in that video were Professional Peace Officers - trained to serve and protect.  Had they behaved more in accordance with their proclaimed mission, that "sad story" may have had a very different ending.

I understand your point @Sardonicus

I'm sure there's blame to go around.  I just wish the youngsters (mostly) would obey the man with the gun, and live to argue in court.  We don't need more senseless deaths or the racial division the follows.  

nolaegghead

JNDATHP said:

nolaegghead said:

Focker said:

JNDATHP said:

nolaegghead said:

JNDATHP said:

How many of you who work for an employer would be permitted to protest on company time, especially if your position did not align with your employer's?

I don't want to watch political protests, just the entertainment of the game. Similarly I don't want to listen to celebrities' political slants - just their entertainment. 

I'm obviously old school - I place my hand over my heart while standing for the national anthem, the raising or lowering of our beloved flag and our Pledge of Allegiance. 

Lemmings can be good people. 

Lemmings are animals that, without thought, follow the one in front of them. 

Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence. You need not agree with me, but please explain your position with thoughtful criticism as opposed to personal attack. 

I don't think thoughtful criticism is possible fer the ol' nola-it-all.

Golly Gee, Wilbur! (hyuck hyuck)  Let's go there Fockhead.

Regarding "Lemmings are animals that, without thought, follow the one in front of them."  This suggests a google search.   Learn somfin new every day, am i right?!

"Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence."  If I can dissect this, it's a nonsensical statement.  Discourse is discussion, and political is the type of discussion.  I dunno the point here.  Maybe I'm, like Focker said, unable to have thoughtful criticism.

Moving to the conclusion before the penultimate statement, I did in fact state lemmings can be good people.  So one may assume (correctly) that the vanilla (my opinion) statement I replied to qualified as a "lemming" response.  Got that out of the way.  Guess I'm an a-hole. 

The penultimate statement: "please explain your position with thoughtful criticism". 

Isn't having the freedom to express your contrary opinions without retribution from your employer a freedom of democracy?  I would say yes.  I'm for that. 

I have frequent discourse with my employers about political subjects, yet, I am not fired for it.  Maybe others have the same experience.  I would hope that we are not puppets controlled by our employers.

You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important.

You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important. 
.

I get that you like to cover your heart with your hand during the national anthem.  Good for you.  I do that too.

Fockhead, is that not thoughtful enough for you?

Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence."  If I can dissect this, it's a nonsensical statement.  Discourse is discussion, and political is the type of discussion.  I dunno the point here.  Maybe I'm, like Focker said, unable to have thoughtful criticism. 

Perhaps you are not understanding the point. In order to debate, one must be able to have independent thought because rote responses will inevitably fail. 

Moving to the conclusion before the penultimate statement, I did in fact state lemmings can be good people.  So one may assume (correctly) that the vanilla (my opinion) statement I replied to qualified as a "lemming" response.  Got that out of the way.  Guess I'm an a-hole.

Your response that included Lemmings suggested that you thought I was one. If not, then in the future please expound so there is no confusion: one line responses can sometimes be misinterpreted. 

You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important. 

No, I think I made it very clear that I do not want to watch political activism when what is being presented to me is entertainment. 

Micheal, the ability to debate is not to have, as you say, "independent" thought, but to have arguments that support your position.  Usually these arguments and supporting data are not gained in the first person, but through research, news, etc, and on the shoulders of giants.  I agree that regurgitating some commonly held conclusion without the ability to back it up or defend it is an issue.   I understand your sentiment though.   I do appreciate people that are independent thinkers and not rote followers of some ideology.

Regarding lemmings, you just pushed a mainstream position without any meaningful basis, don't know what else to think.

Regarding not wanting to watch political activism during presentation of entertainment - great.  So you want entertainers to conform to your ideal of apolitical actors.  In other words, not independent.  Well, turn it off.  I think the world is more interesting if we have a mesh of personalities, humanity, politics and humor in entertainment.  You are free to disagree.  I'm ok with that.

Sardonicus

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

For those who forgot, as Our President [and others] intended,
this Man died for allegedly selling loose cigarettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXqYwyzQpM

One story.
  

That was a sad story.  Like most of those stories, it may have had a very different ending had he complied with law enforcement.

We can disagree, but Mr. Garner was NOT the only one making poor decisions in that situation.  
The other people involved and seen in that video were Professional Peace Officers - trained to serve and protect.  Had they behaved more in accordance with their proclaimed mission, that "sad story" may have had a very different ending.

I understand your point @Sardonicus

I'm sure there's blame to go around.  I just wish the youngsters (mostly) would obey the man with the gun, and live to argue in court.  We don't need more senseless deaths or the racial division the follows.  

We agree, @Blasting, that the wisest move is to obey the women and men carrying the badge and pursue grievances later.  

A niggling point:  That "racial division" that you speak of does not necessarily follow the "senseless deaths".  
It too often precedes those deaths. 

HeavyG

blasting said:

Sardonicus said:

For those who forgot, as Our President [and others] intended,
this Man died for allegedly selling loose cigarettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXqYwyzQpM

One story.
  

That was a sad story.  Like most of those stories, it may have had a very different ending had he complied with law enforcement.

Philando Castile was complying with an officers instructions when he was shot dead while seated in his car.

JNDATHP

I don't think you quoted me properly. Please re-read my post in its entirety. 

Are you saying that if it's on the Internet it must be true? If you are discounting personal history then I must disagree. 

My independent thought has been expressed. If you disagree, that is your right.

JNDATHP

JNDATHP said:

nolaegghead said:

Focker said:

JNDATHP said:

nolaegghead said:

JNDATHP said:

How many of you who work for an employer would be permitted to protest on company time, especially if your position did not align with your employer's?

I don't want to watch political protests, just the entertainment of the game. Similarly I don't want to listen to celebrities' political slants - just their entertainment. 

I'm obviously old school - I place my hand over my heart while standing for the national anthem, the raising or lowering of our beloved flag and our Pledge of Allegiance. 

Lemmings can be good people. 

Lemmings are animals that, without thought, follow the one in front of them. 

Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence. You need not agree with me, but please explain your position with thoughtful criticism as opposed to personal attack. 

I don't think thoughtful criticism is possible fer the ol' nola-it-all.

Golly Gee, Wilbur! (hyuck hyuck)  Let's go there Fockhead.

Regarding "Lemmings are animals that, without thought, follow the one in front of them."  This suggests a google search.   Learn somfin new every day, am i right?!

"Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence."  If I can dissect this, it's a nonsensical statement.  Discourse is discussion, and political is the type of discussion.  I dunno the point here.  Maybe I'm, like Focker said, unable to have thoughtful criticism.

Moving to the conclusion before the penultimate statement, I did in fact state lemmings can be good people.  So one may assume (correctly) that the vanilla (my opinion) statement I replied to qualified as a "lemming" response.  Got that out of the way.  Guess I'm an a-hole. 

The penultimate statement: "please explain your position with thoughtful criticism". 

Isn't having the freedom to express your contrary opinions without retribution from your employer a freedom of democracy?  I would say yes.  I'm for that. 

I have frequent discourse with my employers about political subjects, yet, I am not fired for it.  Maybe others have the same experience.  I would hope that we are not puppets controlled by our employers.

You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important.

You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important. 
.

I get that you like to cover your heart with your hand during the national anthem.  Good for you.  I do that too.

Fockhead, is that not thoughtful enough for you?

---- Political discourse, by its very definition, requires independence."  If I can dissect this, it's a nonsensical statement.  Discourse is discussion, and political is the type of discussion.  I dunno the point here.  Maybe I'm, like Focker said, unable to have thoughtful criticism. 

Perhaps you are not understanding the point. In order to debate, one must be able to have independent thought because rote responses will inevitably fail. 

--- Moving to the conclusion before the penultimate statement, I did in fact state lemmings can be good people.  So one may assume (correctly) that the vanilla (my opinion) statement I replied to qualified as a "lemming" response.  Got that out of the way.  Guess I'm an a-hole.

Your response that included Lemmings suggested that you thought I was one. If not, then in the future please expound so there is no confusion: one line responses can sometimes be misinterpreted. 

--- You do not want to watch political protests.  Great.  Turn it off.  But I would think being able to, albeit passively in this case, protest, is part of what makes our country great.  Contrast that to North Korea, or Russia where you can be imprisoned, or killed.  Really sorry your football watching experience is more important. 

No, I think I made it very clear that I do not want to watch political activism when what is being presented to me is entertainment. 

Extrapolating my comments to communist oppression is the wrong statement. I fully support the first amendment. I merely suggest that those who are in the entertainment industry do so on their own time. 

My post that on company time one should not promote their political points of view does not diminish the first amendment just as the prohibition of shouting "bomb" in an airport or "fire" in a theater does. 

I am am not one who has rouge around my neck. I do however have patriotic views. I am one who has been shot and shot at while protecting the rights of those who did the shooting. 

This was my post. Please read the last few paragraphs. 

nolaegghead

JNDATHP said:

I don't think you quoted me properly. Please re-read my post in its entirety. 

Are you saying that if it's on the Internet it must be true? If you are discounting personal history then I must disagree. 

My independent thought has been expressed. If you disagree, that is your right.

I reread it.  I never said anything about "if it's on the internet it must be true", that's ridiculous. 

Furthermore, I don't think there's any stock in thought that's labelled as "independent".  In the parlance of debate, facts and data are used, the veracity of that is based on source, collaboration, etc.  It's pretty academic.

NPHuskerFL

Sardonicus said:

For those who forgot, as Our President [and others] intended,
this Man died for allegedly selling loose cigarettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXqYwyzQpM

One story.
  

https://youtu.be/p6mds5tDqDw

Everything is always as it seems right?  Dude minding his own dann business walking down the street on the phone. These officers have to deal with crap daily to protect the masses. 

JNDATHP

nolaegghead said:

JNDATHP said:

I don't think you quoted me properly. Please re-read my post in its entirety. 

Are you saying that if it's on the Internet it must be true? If you are discounting personal history then I must disagree. 

My independent thought has been expressed. If you disagree, that is your right.

I reread it.  I never said anything about "if it's on the internet it must be true", that's ridiculous. 

Furthermore, I don't think there's any stock in thought that's labelled as "independent".  In the parlance of debate, facts and data are used, the veracity of that is based on source, collaboration, etc.  It's pretty academic.

If debate was so black and white we would not have gridlock in Washington because facts and data would prevail. 

Your statement about debate is, well, simplified to put it at its best. 

When you have walked in my shoes you may just come around to some of my position.  I will always attempt to understand yours. 

Let me me quote my own post:

I am am not one who has rouge around my neck. I do however have patriotic views. I am one who has been shot and shot at while protecting the rights of those who did the shooting. 

Sardonicus

NPHuskerFL said:

Sardonicus said:

For those who forgot, as Our President [and others] intended,
this Man died for allegedly selling loose cigarettes.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LfXqYwyzQpM

One story.
  

https://youtu.be/p6mds5tDqDw

Everything is always as it seems right?  Dude minding his own dann business walking down the street on the phone. These officers have to deal with crap daily to protect the masses. 

IF you intend that those two videos/circumstances are even remotely similar, then my response is to concede the point.
You win.
  

NPHuskerFL

I don't think any rational person believes there shouldn't be racial equality. Or at least the vast majority. But, it would seem anymore this gets thrown around haphazardly. 
https://www.news4jax.com/video/jso-body-camera-captures-confrontation-with-city-council-members-1

westernbbq

thetrim said:

F the NFL!    Organization of shitheads.  

AMEN BRO!  the NO FUN LEAGUE is screwing itself.