Wild Yeast

SciAggie

@caliking I’ve been thinking about this and honestly don’t know how to answer your question. 

I can say I don’t think the coil folds had anything to do with the crust. My crust has improved along with the crumb over time. I’ve certainly had my share of loaves with a chewy crust. 

As I have improved with knowing when my dough is properly proofed I think both crumb and crust alike has improved. 

I think keeping the moisture level high in the first 20 minutes is important. So use a Dutch oven cloche, or something to trap steam early in the bake. This last loaf was cooked in the wood oven. I used the bottom of an aluminum roasting pan to cover the loaf. This alone won’t guarantee a thin crust. 

I’ll try to pay more attention in the next few bakes and get back to you. 

caliking

SciAggie said:

@caliking I’ve been thinking about this and honestly don’t know how to answer your question. 

I can say I don’t think the coil folds had anything to do with the crust. My crust has improved along with the crumb over time. I’ve certainly had my share of loaves with a chewy crust. 

As I have improved with knowing when my dough is properly proofed I think both crumb and crust alike has improved. 

I think keeping the moisture level high in the first 20 minutes is important. So use a Dutch oven cloche, or something to trap steam early in the bake. This last loaf was cooked in the wood oven. I used the bottom of an aluminum roasting pan to cover the loaf. This alone won’t guarantee a thin crust. 

I’ll try to pay more attention in the next few bakes and get back to you. 

I've seen your blistered crust loaves in the past,  where you sprayed the dough before baking. Can't recall if those crusts turned out as thin as this most recent one. 

I'd love to hear what you figure out. I like the crust on my leaves, but would be happier with a thinner, more crispy crust.

Maybe I'm talking myself into taking a crack at baguettes?

buzd504

I’ll post more later, but this is my first try at sourdough pizza dough after about a 15 hour ferment (after proofing) in the fridge. 

Half bread flour, half whole wheat. 

JohnInCarolina

Pain de Campagne:

NPHuskerFL

JohnInCarolina said:

Pain de Campagne:

Looks great John. What grains did you use?

JohnInCarolina

NPHuskerFL said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Pain de Campagne:

Looks great John. What grains did you use?

I followed the recipe in the Forkish book for this one.  It’s a mix of AP and whole wheat.  The flavor is spot on.

SciAggie

That’s a great looking loaf @JohnInCarolina

buzd504

So update on the pizza dough (above).  The dough came out tasty, but the recipe said it made 4 portions.  Not true, so my pizza were too thin and wet to rise much.  Still tasty, but not a lot of air.  Finally, I baked the last doughball plain and got a nice result.

Thai pizza - (no cheese, since we were feeding a vegan)

Plain dough...

And turned the plain dough into this (made another round of lox).

buzd504

Also, my dutch oven came in, so I turned out my first loaf last night.  I picked a recipe that used some shortcuts, but it turned out really well.

85% bread flour, 15% whole wheat, about 75% hydration, I think.

JohnInCarolina

buzd504 said:

Also, my dutch oven came in, so I turned out my first loaf last night.  I picked a recipe that used some shortcuts, but it turned out really well.

85% bread flour, 15% whole wheat, about 75% hydration, I think.

Beautiful!

Eggpharmer

Interesting read about flour choice for your starter.

https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/05/the-best-flour-for-sourdough-starters-an-investigation.html

JohnInCarolina

Eggpharmer said:

Interesting read about flour choice for your starter.

https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/05/the-best-flour-for-sourdough-starters-an-investigation.html

Very cool.  I like this kind of write-up.  

Hoster05

JohnInCarolina said:

Eggpharmer said:

Interesting read about flour choice for your starter.

https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/05/the-best-flour-for-sourdough-starters-an-investigation.html

Very cool.  I like this kind of write-up.  

very good read.  After reading I realize that I am not nearly precise enough in feeding my starter....

buzd504

Hoster05 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eggpharmer said:

Interesting read about flour choice for your starter.

https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/05/the-best-flour-for-sourdough-starters-an-investigation.html

Very cool.  I like this kind of write-up.  

very good read.  After reading I realize that I am not nearly precise enough in feeding my starter....

Pfft. So far I have fed my starter whole wheat flour, bread flour, bleached all purpose flour, and pineapple juice.  It took a while to get started, but now it's doing fine.  I am not specific about amounts (except the flour/water ratio to maintain hydration).  I just keep an eye on it and feed it when it needs it, based on when I will be baking, so it's ramped up.  This seems much more like art than science to me.

caliking

buzd504 said:

Hoster05 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Eggpharmer said:

Interesting read about flour choice for your starter.

https://www.seriouseats.com/2020/05/the-best-flour-for-sourdough-starters-an-investigation.html

Very cool.  I like this kind of write-up.  

very good read.  After reading I realize that I am not nearly precise enough in feeding my starter....

Pfft. So far I have fed my starter whole wheat flour, bread flour, bleached all purpose flour, and pineapple juice.  It took a while to get started, but now it's doing fine.  I am not specific about amounts (except the flour/water ratio to maintain hydration).  I just keep an eye on it and feed it when it needs it, based on when I will be baking, so it's ramped up.  This seems much more like art than science to me.

I’m with you. 

When it’s time to feed my starter, I discard all but “about a tablespoon”, add 2/3 cup of APF, 1/3 cup of tap water, and adjust of the consistency isn’t what I want it to be. The 1:1:1 recommendation makes it somewhat thin, and harder to mix up in tub that my starter lives in. 

buzd504

Loaf 2

~80% hydration, 50% wheat flour, 50% bread flour.  The kids are eating this in a day - I'm going to start doing two loaves at a time.

caliking

That’s a nice loaf, @buzd504. 

Not surprised that the kids are snarfing it down. Homemade bread is so much better. 

SciAggie

“Pfft...” 
Y’all are Neanderthals, lol...

buzd504

SciAggie said:

“Pfft...” 
Y’all are Neanderthals, lol...

Sorry, that's a shortcut I use in a text thread with some friends.

SciAggie

buzd504 said:

SciAggie said:

“Pfft...” 
Y’all are Neanderthals, lol...

Sorry, that's a shortcut I use in a text thread with some friends.

Nah, I was just poking you and @caliking about your starter maintenance. 

caliking

SciAggie said:

buzd504 said:

SciAggie said:

“Pfft...” 
Y’all are Neanderthals, lol...

Sorry, that's a shortcut I use in a text thread with some friends.

Nah, I was just poking you and @caliking about your starter maintenance. 

its all fun and games, until someone accidentally sticks their starter in the microwave (instead of the oatmeal). 

SciAggie

caliking said:s

SciAggie said:

buzd504 said:

SciAggie said:

“Pfft...” 
Y’all are Neanderthals, lol...

Sorry, that's a shortcut I use in a text thread with some friends.

Nah, I was just poking you and @caliking about your starter maintenance. 

its all fun and games, until someone accidentally sticks their starter in the microwave (instead of the oatmeal). 

Hey, I added my yogurt starter to my scalded milk while it was still 180 degrees...
Oh, and did I mention I threw out the rest of the yogurt? Genius move...

SciAggie

I like the way this one looks from the outside. I’ll show the crumb when I cut it. 

I’m using the same recipe for every bake. I’m just playing with folding, shaping, and proofing to see the changes. 

paqman

SciAggie said:

I like the way this one looks from the outside. I’ll show the crumb when I cut it. 

I’m using the same recipe for every bake. I’m just playing with folding, shaping, and proofing to see the changes. 

It is looking very nice from here, I’ve never achieved an ear like that.

buzd504

SciAggie said:

I like the way this one looks from the outside. I’ll show the crumb when I cut it. 

I’m using the same recipe for every bake. I’m just playing with folding, shaping, and proofing to see the changes. 

I've been using basically the same ratios and procedures every time, but varying the flour that I used (started all bread flour, then did whole wheat).  The foreground (lighter loaf) here is 50/50 bread/whole wheat.  The other is about 300g bread, and 200g rye.

I had read that rye flour would make a gummy dough, and they weren't lying.  It was super sticky the whole time.  I backed off the hydration to about 70%, but I should have gone less.  It was a pain to work with.

However, when it finally proofed, it exploded.  It was still sticky when I put it in the oven, and almost impossible to slash.  Still the flavor was really good, and it came out pretty nice.  In the frustration of working with the dough, I forgot the carroway seeds.  :mad:

TEXASBGE2018

Made a loaf today. 

buzd504

Very  nice!!

GlennM

I have been having a bit of trouble lately with my boules being a bit flat. I think I have been  over proofing  them now that the warm weather is here.  

I have shortened the bulk lately to about 30-40% rise and then into the fridge overnight. That seems to have made a big difference!

SciAggie

Focaccia...
just pulled from the oven. 

SciAggie

Bump.