International Holocaust Remembrance Day

StillH2OEgger

I'm going to continue to try to stay out of the fray here, but just wanted to add that I think it's reasonable to expect our new president to release his tax records in order to rule out any potential conflicts of interest. I don't think it takes a cynic to think he may have something to hide. Carry on. 

HeavyG

Coincidence???

Dinah_Moe_Humm

I keep being drawn back into this thread.

If you've never heard of Pastor Martin Niemoller look him up.  Simply, he was a german citizen, a conservative and supporter the Nazis when they came to power in the 30's.  When he learned that the Nazis were developing civil policies excluding all non-aryans from German government and society, he protested.  He was arrested and sent to concentration camps.  He survived, fortunately.  Personally, I have always found his words haunting. 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me

pgprescott

Dinah_Moe_Humm said:

I keep being drawn back into this thread.

If you've never heard of Pastor Martin Niemoller look him up.  Simply, he was a german citizen, a conservative and supporter the Nazis when they came to power in the 30's.  When he learned that the Nazis were developing civil policies excluding all non-aryans from German government and society, he protested.  He was arrested and sent to concentration camps.  He survived, fortunately.  Personally, I have always found his words haunting. 

First they came for the Socialists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Socialist.

Then they came for the Trade Unionists, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Trade Unionist.

Then they came for the Jews, and I did not speak out—Because I was not a Jew.

Then they came for me—and there was no one left to speak for me

Except the USA. 

JohnInCarolina

https://mobile.nytimes.com/2017/01/28/us/refugees-detained-at-us-airports-prompting-legal-challenges-to-trumps-immigration-order.html

Lot of good people affected by this.   

nolaegghead

I fear all these policies are painting a proverbial target on the United States and its citizens, corporations and interests internationally.  So far, I definitely "feel" less safe than when we had less adversarial policies with the religions, cultures and countries of the world.   Time will tell.

JohnInCarolina

When we trade our values in for temporary safety, we lose both.

HeavyG

JohnInCarolina said:

When we trade our values in for temporary safety, we lose both.

"When we trade our values in for the illusion of temporary safety, we lose both."

FTFY

Eoin

HeavyG said:

JohnInCarolina said:

When we trade our values in for temporary safety, we lose both.

"When we trade our values in for the illusion of temporary safety, we lose both."

FTFY

Doesn't seem to worry most people here these days, the constant peddling of threat levels and imminent terrorist attacks is enough for people to consent to the erosion of their basic freedoms.

Dinah_Moe_Humm

Eoin said:

HeavyG said:

JohnInCarolina said:

When we trade our values in for temporary safety, we lose both.

"When we trade our values in for the illusion of temporary safety, we lose both."

FTFY

Doesn't seem to worry most people here these days, the constant peddling of threat levels and imminent terrorist attacks is enough for people to consent to the erosion of their basic freedoms.

... I wish I could hit the "agree" two or more times!!!

pgprescott

nolaegghead said:

I fear all these policies are painting a proverbial target on the United States and its citizens, corporations and interests internationally.  So far, I definitely "feel" less safe than when we had less adversarial policies with the religions, cultures and countries of the world.   Time will tell.

You mean like paying a ransom ???? Genius! It's remarkable how profoundly stupid these "smart" people can be. 

pgprescott

HeavyG said:

JohnInCarolina said:

When we trade our values in for temporary safety, we lose both.

"When we trade our values in for the illusion of temporary safety, we lose both."

FTFY





get a room you two!!!!!

JohnInCarolina

It's OK.  I don't think even Trump had input on what he signed.

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

It's OK.  I don't think even Trump had input on what he signed.

Loser in his way out the door. I have no issue with purging these loser from the ranks. That is draining the swamp. Irs here we come. How bout we take every liberal cause over the coals for 8 years. No?

JohnInCarolina

So if the Lakers play a road game in Toronto do they have to leave Luol Deng behind because he was born in Sudan and has U.K. citizenship?

h/t - Yglesias

HeavyG

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

I fear all these policies are painting a proverbial target on the United States and its citizens, corporations and interests internationally.  So far, I definitely "feel" less safe than when we had less adversarial policies with the religions, cultures and countries of the world.   Time will tell.

You mean like paying a ransom ???? Genius! It's remarkable how profoundly stupid these "smart" people can be. 

What ransom?

JohnInCarolina

nolaegghead

That's terrible John.  I've read a bunch of similar stories.  At any given time, tens of thousands of regular people affected by these executive orders.  If ISIS wanted to stage an attack, they could just sneak in through a harbor.  It's really senseless in that it doesn't stop anyone determined, yet can get the extremists that are on the fence to act.  That isn't a good thing.

nolaegghead

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

I fear all these policies are painting a proverbial target on the United States and its citizens, corporations and interests internationally.  So far, I definitely "feel" less safe than when we had less adversarial policies with the religions, cultures and countries of the world.   Time will tell.

You mean like paying a ransom ???? Genius! It's remarkable how profoundly stupid these "smart" people can be. 

This is me not ignoring your diarrhea of the mouth responses.  From now on, I'm just going to ignore you.

Gamecockeggman

Ok.....let's all hug it out.  Everyone gets a trophy.

HeavyG

nolaegghead said:

That's terrible John.  I've read a bunch of similar stories.  At any given time, tens of thousands of regular people affected by these executive orders.  If ISIS wanted to stage an attack, they could just sneak in through a harbor.  It's really senseless in that it doesn't stop anyone determined, yet can get the extremists that are on the fence to act.  That isn't a good thing.

I've read that the International Refugee Asistance Project put out a call for additional lawyers and got 3000 volunteers in just a few hours.

Also, our kindly neighbors to the north have begun accepting asylum applications from US  green card holders.

MaC122

Gamecockeggman said:

Ok.....let's all hug it out.  Everyone gets a trophy.

No we do not, you socialist! You earn your damn trophies around these parts

Gamecockeggman

MaC122 said:

Gamecockeggman said:

Ok.....let's all hug it out.  Everyone gets a trophy.

No we do not, you socialist! You earn your damn trophies around these parts

Wow....farthest from it.  Change your diaper and look up the definition of sarcasm.  

MaC122

Gamecockeggman said:

Wow....farthest from it.  Change your diaper and look up the definition of sarcasm.  

Chill buddy, I was kidding. HAHA! Maybe you should look up that definition too

Gamecockeggman

MaC122 said:

Gamecockeggman said:

Wow....farthest from it.  Change your diaper and look up the definition of sarcasm.  

Chill buddy, I was kidding. HAHA! Maybe you should look up that definition too

I was trying but Captain Morgan ran off with the book.  Dam it

johnkitchens

It is going to be a long 4 years for you guys. 

nolan8v

Texas mosque destroyed in early-morning blaze; cause unknown

http://www.foxnews.com/us/2017/01/28/texas-mosque-destroyed-in-early-morning-blaze-cause-unknown.html

http://abcnews.go.com/US/wireStory/texas-mosque-destroyed-early-morning-blaze-unknown-45111202

http://www.nydailynews.com/news/national/texas-mosque-destroyed-early-morning-fire-unknown-article-1.2958177

Focker

Trump may have small hands, but damn does he swing a mean pen.  

He burns through them like I do Black Extra Fine Pilot G2s.  

JohnInCarolina

johnkitchens said:

It is going to be a long 4 years for you guys. 

We're up to five GOP members of Congress who oppose this executive order publicly right now.

Perhaps there are some issues that go beyond partisanship.  I guess the trick is to be able to recognize them when they show up.

Sardonicus

JohnInCarolina said:

johnkitchens said:

It is going to be a long 4 years for you guys. 

We're up to five GOP members of Congress who oppose this executive order publicly right now.

Perhaps there are some issues that go beyond partisanship.  I guess the trick is to be able to recognize them when they show up.

You may be a little too optimistic, sorry to say.
So far, partisanship has won the day.  They may talk a little crap, but when it's time for decisive votes, they fall in line.   Remember Graham, McCain and "Little Marco" regarding the sec'y of state gig?

(That "freedom caucus" is no joke and they know it.)