San Berardino Massacre

fishlessman

so the neighbors stayed politically correct, didnt want to be racist, didnt want to report what they saw happening........what a world we live

Jeepster47

@nolaegghead ... hey, you're winding down my friend.  So, help me understand this chart that I downloaded off my one-safe-source for info - the internet!



Does that mean we can reduce the mass shootings more by getting rid of Obama than by passing more gun laws?

nolaegghead

@Jeepster47 I think Obama has an alibi for most of those, probably most of the presidents do...although they could be guilty by proxy...  

stlcharcoal

The AP is reporting that the Pakistani woman shooter had pledged her allegiance to ISIS according online documents that were just released.

I also saw a picture of the AR's used......not California compliant.  And they had 30 round magazines.  Both have been illegal in CA for nearly 30 yrs yet this still happen.  ISIS doesn't care about the law either.

This is well beyond worrying about the NRA, gun laws, etc.  Lot bigger & scarier issues here folks.

GATraveller

Coming soon to a city near you......

nolaegghead

OH GOD, WHY DO YOU HAVE EXTREMISTS!!!! WHY HAVEN'T PEOPLE FIGURED THIS STUFF OUT YET?!

Focker

GATraveller said:

Coming soon to a city near you......

An unfortunate agree here.  The AR wish is moving up the list.  Might see if my brother wants to build, or just buy one off the rack at Wally World.  Time to radicalize myself. 

nolaegghead

please don't over-react.  and don't be skeerd

Focker

Don't be stoopid eether.  Stoopid gets ya ded. 
A matter of time, before this sh!t showed up on our doorsteps. 

YukonRon

 Got her visa, through marriage of a US citizen. Carried out her mission. I wonder how much scrutiny, the visas issued through marriage, will come under in the next few weeks?

Pretty clever plan. Think there is more than one?

Focker

And the publicity......ISIS is having a circle jerk as we speak.

YukonRon

stlcharcoal said:

The AP is reporting that the Pakistani woman shooter had pledged her allegiance to ISIS according online documents that were just released.

I also saw a picture of the AR's used......not California compliant.  And they had 30 round magazines.  Both have been illegal in CA for nearly 30 yrs yet this still happen.  ISIS doesn't care about the law either.

This is well beyond worrying about the NRA, gun laws, etc.  Lot bigger & scarier issues here folks.

Screw the side arms, Personally, I would be more concerned about the bombs they found. Adding to that, how many did they make, and if that stockpile represents all that they had made. Just an observation.    

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

OH GOD, WHY DO YOU HAVE EXTREMISTS!!!! WHY HAVEN'T PEOPLE FIGURED THIS STUFF OUT YET?!

he was a 28 year old us born environmental specialist (extremist), pretty simple to connect the dots with this nut job

stlcharcoal

GATraveller said:

Coming soon to a city near you......

Yep......

The one that scares me the most is the DC sniper scenario again.  Those guys killed 10 people over three weeks, and had killed another 10 or so in the 6 months before that.  That's not counting the ones they just wounded either.

I would like to think in one of these mass shootings you at least have a chance to run, hide, fight back, etc after the first shots rings out.  But in a sniper situation where it's completely random, all you can hope is that you're not the target.

If the Malvo brothers could shut down the east coast for a week, imagine a dozen of those two-man teams in different major cities could do.  God help us because they'll shut this economy down.  The only defense will be to shelter at home because those guys did not have any pattern.

You can pass all the gun laws in the world and it's not going to stop anything like that.  Because if they're trained, they can do just as much damage with a 50+ yr old bolt action gun.

Right now, in all of these mass shooting, the shooters are caught or dead within hours......it took a six months to catch those guys after the first hit on the west coast, and three weeks into the "beltway" spree.

I'm telling you, this would be horrific and a equivalent to a national disaster, complete with marshall law, if as few as a couple dozen were trained and coordinated. 

YukonRon

Jeepster47 said:

@nolaegghead ... hey, you're winding down my friend.  So, help me understand this chart that I downloaded off my one-safe-source for info - the internet!



Does that mean we can reduce the mass shootings more by getting rid of Obama than by passing more gun laws?

Change the value of mass, to 20 or more, and the number will drop significantly. Simple political mathematics. If the number were 2 or three, all numbers would have escalated tremendously. Moving the definition to a higher number, reduces the number of mass shootings. Then everyone looks good then.

nolaegghead

As an experienced internet troll, which is analogous to a terrorist, but on a cooking forum in this case, I can tell you the desired reaction, that is an over-reaction of emotion and fear, is considered a win.  For example, if you react to my trolling, I "lol" heartily. That is a pure tiger-blood win. 

So when you react to terrorists...well, over-react with fear and reducing our own level of freedom to stop something that's statistically irrelevant...that's a win for them.  You are helping them win. By proxy you are part of the terrorist's plan.   So stop it.  OK? 

stlcharcoal

Focker said:

GATraveller said:

Coming soon to a city near you......

An unfortunate agree here.  The AR wish is moving up the list.  Might see if my brother wants to build, or just buy one off the rack at Wally World.  Time to radicalize myself. 

Unfortunately WalMart stopped selling them due to a lack of demand.  With the politicians harumph'ing again, and an election looming, a panic buy is on the horizon if not already started.  BTW, unless you know what you're doing, have the tools, and have access to the parts at dealer cost, you're better off just buying one off the rack.  While it's all Mil-Spec, the parts don't always work together.....and they're so expensive individually, it's actually less to have a factory gun.  I've built quite a few myself out of extra parts I had from upgrading other guns.  Doesn't hurt a couple of the $35 Anderson stripped lowers in the safe for the future though.  Those and 30-rnd PMags things are like gold coins at times.

YukonRon said:

Screw the side arms, Personally, I would be more concerned about the bombs they found. Adding to that, how many did they make, and if that stockpile represents all that they had made. Just an observation.    

That's what I'm saying......lot bigger issues going on with these two (and more to come.)  Nothing ANY state or federal laws are going to stop.  It's way past that point.  Stay tuned.   

nolaegghead

WHAT IF I GET A MOTHERFKN ROCK IN MY MOTHERFKN LUMP?  I'LL FREAK THE FK OUT AND GO BUY A BUNCH OF AR15s!!!  FK YOU TERRORIST MTHERFKRS!!!

nolaegghead

I'LL SHOW YOU!!!

Focker

stlcharcoal said:

GATraveller said:

Coming soon to a city near you......

Yep......

The one that scares me the most is the DC sniper scenario again.  Those guys killed 10 people over three weeks, and had killed another 10 or so in the 6 months before that.  That's not counting the ones they just wounded either.

I would like to think in one of these mass shootings you at least have a chance to run, hide, fight back, etc after the first shots rings out.  But in a sniper situation where it's completely random, all you can hope is that you're not the target.

If the Malvo brothers could shut down the east coast for a week, imagine a dozen of those two-man teams in different major cities could do.  God help us because they'll shut this economy down.  The only defense will be to shelter at home because those guys did not have any pattern.

You can pass all the gun laws in the world and it's not going to stop anything like that.  Because if they're trained, they can do just as much damage with a 50+ yr old bolt action gun.

Right now, in all of these mass shooting, the shooters are caught or dead within hours......it took a six months to catch those guys after the first hit on the west coast, and three weeks into the "beltway" spree.

I'm telling you, this would be horrific and a equivalent to a national disaster, complete with marshall law, if as few as a couple dozen were trained and coordinated. 

I may have to take the Mosin out to the range this weekend.  Love slappin' that bolt around.     
I hear ya bud and agree.  Not so sure it would get to martial law level, but it would be metro fish in a barrel....easy pickins.  Like France.

Focker

stlcharcoal said:

Focker said:

GATraveller said:

Coming soon to a city near you......

An unfortunate agree here.  The AR wish is moving up the list.  Might see if my brother wants to build, or just buy one off the rack at Wally World.  Time to radicalize myself. 

Unfortunately WalMart stopped selling them due to a lack of demand.  With the politicians harumph'ing again, and an election looming, a panic buy is on the horizon if not already started.  BTW, unless you know what you're doing, have the tools, and have access to the parts at dealer cost, you're better off just buying one off the rack.  While it's all Mil-Spec, the parts don't always work together.....and they're so expensive individually, it's actually less to have a factory gun.  I've built quite a few myself out of extra parts I had from upgrading other guns.  Doesn't hurt a couple of the $35 Anderson stripped lowers in the safe for the future though.  Those and 30-rnd PMags things are like gold coins at times.

YukonRon said:

Screw the side arms, Personally, I would be more concerned about the bombs they found. Adding to that, how many did they make, and if that stockpile represents all that they had made. Just an observation.    

That's what I'm saying......lot bigger issues going on with these two (and more to come.)  Nothing ANY state or federal laws are going to stop.  It's way past that point.  Stay tuned.   

Thanks for the build advice.  Brother has the know-how, tools.  Parts would be retail.  I looked up a Colt LE6920, on Walmart.com not long ago over the summer, called some stores south of the Quad Cities.....damn.     

nolaegghead

I found the mosin nagant one of the most unpleasant rifles to fire.  At least the one I was using...the stock was in-line with the barrel and rather than the recoil deflecting the barrel up it beat the crap outta my shoulder.  

Focker

nolaegghead said:

I found the mosin nagant one of the most unpleasant rifles to fire.  At least the one I was using...the stock was in-line with the barrel and rather than the recoil deflecting the barrel up it beat the crap outta my shoulder.  

lol, yeah you gotta man up nola, it's a boomstick.  Bought a rubber buttstock attachment custom made for it, helps the shoulder.  At 6' with bayonet attached, I and all my buddies, enjoy shooting it.  Would love to get my hands on a Finnish one, pretty hard to come by though.   

stlcharcoal

Focker said:

Thanks for the build advice.  Brother has the know-how, tools.  Parts would be retail.  I looked up a Colt LE6920, on Walmart.com not long ago over the summer, called some stores south of the Quad Cities.....damn.     

Man with you being in the Quad Cities, I would get a locally made one.  I know Rock River, LMT, and Armalite are nearby.......Les Baer and another one too, right??  That way if you ever had any issues, you don't have to worry about shipping it or taking it to a gunsmith--drop it off at the factory and have it frixed for free.  It's not easy fiding gunsmiths anymore, much less those that will work on non-factory guns or ones they didn't build themselves--too much libiability.  We have ONE guy here in STL......and he's had my SAIGA-12 for 6 months now.

Nothing against Colt, but there are a lot cheaper options out there for the same quality.  Much like Smith & Wesson, they have all their government contracts and that's why their so expensive for the public.  Colts are what I was referring to when things may be mil-spec, but not fit.  But if I could have found one or more at WalMart when they were marked down to $700 or less I would have bought them in a heart beat.  Even under $1000, those were good guns for the money.  Still, they just declared bankruptcy.

Focker

stlcharcoal said:

Focker said:

Thanks for the build advice.  Brother has the know-how, tools.  Parts would be retail.  I looked up a Colt LE6920, on Walmart.com not long ago over the summer, called some stores south of the Quad Cities.....damn.     

Man with you being in the Quad Cities, I would get a locally made one.  I know Rock River, LMT, and Armalite are nearby.......Les Baer and another one too, right??  That way if you ever had any issues, you don't have to worry about shipping it or taking it to a gunsmith--drop it off at the factory and have it frixed for free.  It's not easy fiding gunsmiths anymore, much less those that will work on non-factory guns or ones they didn't build themselves--too much libiability.  We have ONE guy here in STL......and he's had my SAIGA-12 for 6 months now.

Nothing against Colt, but there are a lot cheaper options out there for the same quality.  Much like Smith & Wesson, they have all their government contracts and that's why their so expensive for the public.  Colts are what I was referring to when things may be mil-spec, but not fit.  But if I could have found one or more at WalMart when they were marked down to $700 or less I would have bought them in a heart beat.  Even under $1000, those were good guns for the money.  Still, they just declared bankruptcy.

Yeah, I've been out to the Baer compound twice with my dad.  Awesome guy.
Just being a cheap azz, trying to save a buck or two is my only rationale.  Met the RRA owner, nice dude too.  A great point, it is convenient having them within a 15 min drive.  If I plan on buying one, might as well do it right.   

Drove my XDs out to Springer for the recall, picked it up in two weeks.  They handled it very well IMO, nice folks all around.  

I didn't know Colt declared bankruptcy.  WOW

Thanks for the heads up.  Will definitely keep ALL of this in mind.   

 

nolaegghead

Colt got disconnected from a government teat (contract for the M4) and has an assload of debt.  So they did what any self-respecting business would do, file chapter 11.

fishlessman

last time a customer of mine filed chapter 11 he had to include how everyone would get paid. some things on his list
sell the boat
win the lottery
get his check from nigeria

guess who didnt get paid and to keep this on topic, yes, he was muslim, not to say that the christian bookstore didnt screw me either. there ought to be a day you can grab a baseball bat and....

nolaegghead

Don't blame god.  He was probably just a bad human businessman.

fishlessman

news flash, the fbi is now investigating if its an act of terrorism. maybe they have been reading this post and started to wonder

nolaegghead

fishlessman said:

news flash, the fbi is now investigating if its an act of terrorism. maybe they have been reading this post and started to wonder

ISIS?!  GODDAMIT!!!  It is god.  Again. Biggest sponsor of terrorism in modern history.  FCK.  FCK FK FK FK.  Not again.  Can't we all just be decent people and not do what god tells us to do?!