San Berardino Massacre

Durangler

Thoughts???

Davec433

Insane...I don't know. Why you would shoot up a non-profit that helps people developmental disabilities.

DoubleEgger

Davec433 said:

Insane...I don't know. Why you would shoot up a non-profit that helps people developmental disabilities.

I heard they rented out the space for some sort of banquet. 

northGAcock

Un friken believable.  Just senseless.

Out of curiosity, where in Cali is San Berandino? Is that in the LA area?

DoubleEgger

northGAcock said:

Un friken believable.  Just senseless.

Out of curiosity, where in Cali is San Berandino? Is that in the LA area?

WeberWho

Hopefully the suspects died a long slow painful death. Prayers and thoughts for the victims and family/friends

Durangler

I agree @WeberWho?  

Davec433

So two dead suspects and they are requesting a warrant to Sayed Farooks house/Apt. One of the dead suspects is assumed to be his brother and no word on the woman. Can this be linked to Terrorism?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/authorities-respond-report-shooting-san-bernardino-california-n472976?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=d977013f95c388b72026f502c930aad4

Botch

Two thoughts:
1.  What could Syrian refugees possibly do to us that we don't already do to ourselves?
2.  Are we even sure they would want to come here??  
 
  

Durangler

Democratic presidential candidate, O'Malley blamed the NRA.
No comment from Governor Brown, who runs a state with very strict gun laws.

Davec433

So they have apprehended Farook,

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html

lousubcap

@Botch- I like where you are going here but for me it's little too soon. But definitely an appropriate conversation to have in the near-term.

Ozzie_Isaac

I've spent a lot of time in that area of California, actually Redlands.

These constant shootings are getting exhausting.  I don't have a solution.  More, less, training, licenses, screening, etc.

The only thing I think would help is a society that didn't treat everything as disposable and didn't see opposing views as a threat 

Durangler

Davec433 said:

So they have apprehended Farook,

http://www.thedailybeast.com/articles/2015/12/02/police-id-suspect-in-san-bernardino-massacre-as-syed-farook.html

Speculation at this point

Davec433

Durangler said:

Democratic presidential candidate, O'Malley blamed the NRA.
No comment from Governor Brown, who runs a state with very strict gun laws.

Never let a tragedy go to waste!

bgebrent

What was missing was a good guy with a gun.  So sad and tragic.  Times have changed.  If you don't think a good guy with a gun could've been helpful (sadly anti gun California), then submit yourself to this insanity.  Not an alarmist, more interested in fine BBQ, but what Israel has lived with for years is on our shores.  Fact.  This may or may not prove to be a terrorist event.  That's irrelevant.  It proves our vulnerability.

JohnInCarolina

Durangler said:

Thoughts???

Not good.  Aside from that, there seems to be more speculation than facts at the moment.  I turned on cable news - all I could manage was about three minutes.

Durangler

Soft targets? 

bgebrent

How could they be softer?

JohnInCarolina

Davec433 said:

So two dead suspects and they are requesting a warrant to Sayed Farooks house/Apt. One of the dead suspects is assumed to be his brother and no word on the woman. Can this be linked to Terrorism?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/authorities-respond-report-shooting-san-bernardino-california-n472976?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=d977013f95c388b72026f502c930aad4

What evidence is there to suggest terrorism?  

Durangler

Will there be more isolated soft targets?

bgebrent

@JohnInCarolina, clearly no evidence.  Reason to wonder since more than one shooter?  Yes!  

Davec433

JohnInCarolina said:

Davec433 said:

So two dead suspects and they are requesting a warrant to Sayed Farooks house/Apt. One of the dead suspects is assumed to be his brother and no word on the woman. Can this be linked to Terrorism?

http://www.nbcnews.com/storyline/san-bernardino-shooting/authorities-respond-report-shooting-san-bernardino-california-n472976?cid=sm_tw&hootPostID=d977013f95c388b72026f502c930aad4

What evidence is there to suggest terrorism?  

None yet. That's why I posed it as a question.

Durangler

Didn't they determine the shootings in Colorado Springs as terrorism? I may be mistaken.

JohnInCarolina

bgebrent said:

@JohnInCarolina, clearly no evidence.  Reason to wonder since more than one shooter?  Yes!  

Agreed - the multiple shooters is definitely strange.  I just don't see the value in speculating until a lot more is known.

DoubleEgger

Apparently there was a bomb left at the center that the authorities are trying to disarm. Smells like terrorism to me. 

GATraveller

I think this is just the tip of the spear as far as domestic terror attacks go......

Davec433

Durangler said:

Didn't they determine the shootings in Colorado Springs as terrorism? I may be mistaken.

Dear faces state charges of first-degree murder, and the federal criminal code has no specific, catchall charge for acts of domestic terrorism.

If that answers your question.

http://news.yahoo.com/planned-parenthood-shooting-renews-focus-domestic-terror-212452655--politics.html

Durangler

Law enforcement will figure it out, make a report, publicize the report & let the news people determine guilt. 

bgebrent

@JohninCarolina, we're on the same page.  Not speculating.  Need more factual information.

theyolksonyou

@JohnInCarolina the value in speculation is that it gets all these fine pit masters in a frenzy. Beyond that, agreed.