Cecil's dead, man. Cecil is dead.

johnkitchens

I don't agree with what the guy did, and think he is a real douche, but if anyone anywhere does something bad some on this forum, and all of the media, try to point out the conservative angle.

Was this guy a conservative? He was from Minnesota, a very liberal state. I don't know what he was, and I don't care. That has nothing to do with it.

In all honesty I am more concerned about Muslim fanatics, yeah I said it, killing people than a douche from Minnesota killing a damn lion.

Let the flames begin. I don't even care.  

grege345

Just watched the Kimmel clip. Stick to entertainment douche. 

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac

JIC is that Billy Ray Cyrus?

stlcharcoal

I have a buddy that has been on these big game hunts dozens of times.  His house looks like the Field Museum in Chicago.  I don't get it.......but he doesn't get why I have three BGE's.

Couple things.......they have proven that managed hunts and prize fees actually help the population of endangered and at-risk animals.  If the rich business man from Europe or the US is willing to pay $50K to shoot one, it makes the locals try to protect them from the poachers.  If the natives have motivation to poach the poachers, then that's going to help more than anything else.  Otherwise, what do they care?  A lot of these people are hungry and dying--they're trying to keep their children alive, not the lions.

The poachers are the real criminals.  This guy thought he was on a legit hunt.  He paid the cash, had the paperwork, and had probably had no idea that this thing was lured off the reserve.  The guy has multiple trips over there, he knows the drill.  Now his life and business are ruined because he got scammed.

I'm all for conservation and am not necessarily for shooting anything that isn't plentiful.  But this public backlash on this guy is ridiculous.  Vigils and protests outside his house and business?!?!?!?!  C'mon!!  How can ONE friggin animal from 6000 miles get people this riled up, yet somebody gets capped in the city overnight and it's lucky if gets a 10 second snippet on the local news??  There is some serious bad $hit going down in this county and it's not just murders--gov corruption, drug trade, etc.  If people got half as fired up over this stuff than one dead lion, then maybe some things here on the home front would get fixed.

Yeah, it sucks the lion died......it really does.  But there's a lot more important stuff to worry about.  This guy is going to pay out the behind for letting these guys scam him, so take the candles and bongo drums to somewhere that it matters.

Ozzie_Isaac

@stlcharcoal

I have thought about this a bunch.  In the end I think people feel like they can do something about this.

Murders, drugs, corruption seem depressing and unsolvable situation.  This one has a clear target that people feel like then can get at:

Overprivledged white guy cheating the system.

Not saying its right/wrong view just all I can figure.

johnkitchens

Ozzie_Isaac said:

@stlcharcoal

Overprivledged white guy cheating the system.

I don't agree with what the guy did. I personally would not kill a lion, bear, etc. I don't see the sense in it. My son kills deer every year and eats them so I don't have a problem with it. I also don't have a problem with hunting in general, but I wouldn't kill an animal that either me or someone wouldn't eat. 

Anyway is the guy really overprivledged? Just because he is / was a successful dentist doesn't mean, to me, he was overprivledged. It means he worked hard and earned his money. How is that a bad thing? 

nolaegghead

Everyone simmer down now. 

When you say something is horrible but then say, well, there's a lot of other horrible stuff out there, this is getting disproportionate attention - you're really saying it's not that bad.  

Yeah, some a$$hole gets capped in the city, doesn't make much news.  We don't really cover when a lion kills another lion either.  These things have nothing in common except death.  

Let this douchebag be a poster child for others who want to trophy hunt threatened or endangered species.  The 50k is nothing compared to the tourist revenue.  Plus studies show only about 5-10% of that money makes it into the conservation effort. 

Sure, there are horrible things that happen all the time but they're not mutually exclusive.

nolaegghead

johnkitchens said:

Come on @nolaegghead lay off the conservative hate. 

What are you talking about?

johnkitchens

nolaegghead said:

johnkitchens said:

Come on @nolaegghead lay off the conservative hate. 

What are you talking about?

I am talking about the fact that you reference Fox News watchers on here an awful lot. 

Ozzie_Isaac

@johnkitchens I don't necessarily subscribe to the over privledged view.

He earned the money and spent it how he saw fit.  He didn't factor in this cost.

btw, he settled a sexual assault lawsuit, had a felony for lying about where he killed a bear, and now this.  He seems morally bankrupt to me.

His timing sucks.  Lions in the wild generally don't live past 14yrs old.  Cecil was 13.

nolaegghead

@johnkitchens - I'm playing with @doubleegger - he jokingly accused me posting something because I was bored because MSNBC was slow today.  It's hardly any kind of hate on my part.  Plus they're anything but fair and balanced....the irony is off the irony charts.  I think that's funny.  Don't you?

johnkitchens

Ozzie_Isaac said:

btw, he settled a sexual assault lawsuit, had a felony for lying about where he killed a bear, and now this.  He seems morally bankrupt to me.

I agree with you concerning that. He seems like a douche, and those facts just add to his douchiness (is that even a word?)

nolaegghead

"douchiness" is a valid, recognized neologism, you're fine.

johnkitchens

nolaegghead said:

@johnkitchens - I'm playing with @doubleegger - he jokingly accused me posting something because I was bored because MSNBC was slow today.  It's hardly any kind of hate on my part.  Plus they're anything but fair and balanced....the irony is off the irony charts.  I think that's funny.  Don't you?

It is all good @nolaegghead.  I consider you "good people" even though you are on the left side of things. I just know that the left side makes fun of Fox News viewers, but we do the same thing concerning MSNBC and CNN viewers. 

Like I said it is all good, and I do think of you as a good guy! 

thetrim

The Dems wanna kill babies until the 39th week of gestation but a lion heads the newscast.  He could've made some good lean jerky outta that lion!  
This post is for you, @SGH

Ozzie_Isaac

Douchiness is legit:

https://sanfranciscoba.wordpress.com/2014/05/07/douchiness-defined-humor-nsfw/

nolaegghead

thetrim said:

The Dems wanna kill babies until the 39th week of gestation but a lion heads the newscast.  He could've made some good lean jerky outta that lion!  
This post is for you, @SGH

We're not on the endangered species list.  Plus that's incorrect.

SGH

thetrim said:

The Dems wanna kill babies until the 39th week of gestation but a lion heads the newscast.  He could've made some good lean jerky outta that lion!  
This post is for you, @SGH

Thank you brother trim. I'm trying real hard to stay out of the conversation as requested. But know that I'm on your side 100% my friend. 

DoubleEgger

I read this today and thought of you @nolaegghead

GATraveller

You can make anything into jerkey @nolaegghead

theyolksonyou

You can milk anything with nipples. 

DMW

theyolksonyou said:

You can milk anything with nipples. 

I know I'm being milked every day, by the gov'ment.

johnkitchens

theyolksonyou said:

You can milk anything with nipples. 

Isn't that what Focker said? 

XC242

Let's see, this guy is a dentist so he must be pretty smart, right; and he's already a convicted felon for lying about killing a bear illegally; and some of you are gonna go ahead and believe the guy when he says he was just doing what the guide was telling him to do and he couldn't figure out something wasn't quite right about this whole operation? Sure...

SGH

DMW said

I know I'm being milked every day, by the gov'ment.

I was hoping against all hope that someone would say it for me. Thank you brother D. 

NPHuskerFL

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JIC is that Billy Ray Cyrus?

No it's a political hit. One of Trump's Sons that big game hunts. 

I follow up with this. (you know I love ya JIC  ). I'm not a Trump backer. I'm all in for Marco. Hillary is and has always been swarmy. I mean if we're gonna politicize let's do this ****!

nolaegghead

That's BS Balakie.  What investigation said that happened?

That's like me posting dead US servicemen in Iraq and saying it was on George Bush.

nolaegghead

But I'm above that.

SGH

nolaegghead said:

That's like me posting dead US servicemen in Iraq and saying it was on George Bush.

Brother Bush was a great American and a a$$ kicker. He was certainly not the equal of Big Ron, but great nonetheless.