Cecil's dead, man. Cecil is dead.

nolaegghead · July 2015

henapple said:

the uproar over this while so many other more important things go uncontested or ignored. We must remove that rebel flag... Now.

Tony, I didn't think you were in the flag-removal party.

Ozzie_Isaac · July 2015

nolaegghead · July 2015

@yumdinger

He made a choice and there was public outrage. Period. He's being crucified in the court of public opinion....it takes idiots like this to be made an example of to discourage future idiots. He wouldn't have this problem bagging a wildebeest. Lion populations are fragile. The African lion population has declined by 30-50% from around 1980 - 2000. They are apex preditors and only thrive on protected lands. Inbreeding is a problem. Read this: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Lion#Population_and_conservation_status

from:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_recently_extinct_mammals
This is a partial list of animals that have recently become extinct. Is it so terrible to try to prevent more species from extinction? Or is mounting their heads on your den wall more important?

Marsupials

Broad-faced potoroo

Lesser bilby

Broad-faced potoroo (1875, Australia)
Eastern hare wallaby (1890, Australia)
Lake Mackay hare-wallaby (1932, Australia)[1]
Desert rat-kangaroo (1935, Australia)
Thylacine (1936, Tasmania, Australia)
Toolache wallaby (1943, Australia)
Desert bandicoot (1943, Australia)
Lesser bilby (1950s, Australia)
Pig-footed bandicoot (1950s, Australia)
Crescent nailtail wallaby (1956, Australia)
Red-bellied gracile opossum (1962, Argentina)

Sirenians

Steller's sea cow (1768), Commander Islands

Rodents

Bulldog rat

Oriente cave rat (?, Cuba)[2]
Torre's cave rat (?, Cuba)[3]
Imposter hutia (?, Hispaniola)[4]
Montane hutia (?, Hispaniola)[5]
Lagostomus crassus (?, Peru)[6]
Galápagos giant rat (?, Galápagos Islands)[7]
Canariomys (Canary Islands)
Flores cave rat (1500, Indonesia)
Verhoeven's giant tree rat (1500, Indonesia)
Cuban Coney (1500, Cuba) [8]
Hispaniolan edible rat (~1546, Hispaniola)[9]
Puerto Rican hutia (?, Puerto Rico)[10]
Big-eared hopping mouse (1843, Australia)
Darling Downs hopping mouse (1846, Australia)
White-footed rabbit-rat (1870s, Australia)
St Lucy giant rice rat (1881), Saint Lucia [11]
Short-tailed hopping mouse (1896, Australia)
Nelson's rice rat (1897, Islas Marias)[12]
Guadalcanal rat (1899, Solomon Islands)
Long-tailed hopping mouse (1901, Australia)
Martinique giant rice rat (1902), Martinique)[13]
Bulldog rat (1903, Christmas Island)
Maclear's rat (1903, Christmas Island)
Martinique muskrat (1903, Martinique)[14]
St Kilda house mouse (1930, St Kilda)
Darwin's Galapagos mouse (1930, Galapagos Islands)[15]
Gould's mouse (1930, Australia)
Pemberton's deer mouse (1931), San Pedro Nolasco Island) [8]
Lesser stick-nest rat (1933, Australia)
Indefatigable Galapagos mouse (1934, Galapagos Islands)[16]
Chadwick Beach cotton mouse (1938, Florida)
Ilin Island cloudrunner (1953, Philippines)[17]
Little Swan Island hutia (1955, Swan Islands)
Blue-gray mouse (1956) Australia)[18]
Pallid beach mouse (1959, Florida)
Emperor rat (1960s, Solomon Islands)
Minorcan giant dormouse (Minorca, Spain)

Ungulates

Cebu warty pig (2000, Philippines)

Lagomorphs

Sardinian pika (1774, Sardinia)[19]
Majorcan hare (1980s, Majorca, Spain)

Bats

Small Mauritian flying fox

Puerto Rican flower bat (?, Puerto Rico)[23]
Lesser Mascarene flying fox (1864, Réunion, Mauritius)
Guam flying fox (1968, Guam)
Dusky flying fox (1870, Percy Island)[24]
Large Palau flying fox (1874, Palau)
Nendo tube-nosed fruit bat (1907, Solomon Islands)
New Zealand greater short-tailed bat (1988, New Zealand)
Lord Howe long-eared bat (1996, Australia)[25]
Sturdee's pipistrelle (2000, Japan)[26]
Christmas Island pipistrelle (2009, Christmas Island)

Cetaceans

Chinese river dolphin

Baiji (2006, China) (officially listed as functionally extinct; it is possible that a few aging individuals still survive)
Atlantic gray whale (became extinct due to overhunting also known as whaling)

Artiodactyls

Aurochs

Chilihueque, (16th or 17th century, Chile) [27]
Cape warthog (1900, South Africa)
Aurochs (1627, Poland)
Caucasian wisent (1927, Caucasus)
Carpathian wisent (1790, Carpathian Mountains)
Eastern elk (1887, United States)
Merriam's elk (1913, United States)
Bluebuck (1799, South Africa)
Bubal hartebeest (1923, North Africa)[28]
Red gazelle (1894, Algeria)
Schomburgk's deer (1932, Thailand)
Caucasian moose (mid-19th century, Caucasus Mountains)
Queen of Sheba's gazelle (1951, Yemen)[29]
Saudi gazelle (Declared extinct in 2008, but not seen decades before that; Saudi Arabia)
Portuguese ibex (1892, Portugal)
Pyrenean ibex (2000, Pyrenees)

Carnivores

Javan tiger, pictured 1938

Falkland Island wolf (1876, Falkland Islands)
Sea mink (1894, Northeastern North America)
Japanese sea lion (1970s, Japan)
Caribbean monk seal (1952, Jamaica)
Atlas bear (1870s, Atlas Mountains)
Barbary lion (1922, Atlas Mountains)
Hokkaidō wolf, (1889, Japan)
Honshū wolf (1905, Japan)
Cascade Mountains wolf (1940, British Columbia)
Banks Island wolf (1920, Banks Island)
Cape serval (South Africa)
Sardinian lynx (1908, Sardinia, Italy)
Formosan clouded leopard (1983,Taiwan)
Cape lion (1858, South Africa)
Bali tiger (1940s, Bali)[30]
Mexican grizzly bear (1960s, Mexico)
Caspian tiger (1970s, Tajikistan) [31]
Javan tiger (1976, Java) (possibly still in existence due to a villager's report.)[32]
Eastern cougar (2011, Eastern United States)
Japanese river otter (2012, Japan)

Primates

Koala lemur (1500, Madagascar)

Perissodactyls

Quagga (1883, South Africa)
Tarpan (1909, Eurasia)
Syrian wild ass (1928, Syria)
Western black rhinoceros (2011, West Africa)[33]

blasting · July 2015

theyolksonyou said:

You can milk anything with nipples.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FXI21S4ZWJU

As far as the lion, it's unfortunate. Some will pick up the fight, and I wish them well.

I'm currently at maximum as far as the number of unbelievable, egregious, horrific things that are occupying my thoughts. This lion deal doesn't even come close to replacing something on that list.

mahenryak · July 2015

nolaegghead said:

Can you think of a better group to survey?

http://www.politico.com/story/2015/03/fox-news-trusted-network-poll-115887.html

http://www.quinnipiac.edu/news-and-events/quinnipiac-university-poll/national/release-detail?ReleaseID=2173

Hey @nolaegghead, respectfully, I think the above surveys are probably more enlightening. You have to read beyond the headlines, however, to really see what's going on. Basically, Fox News is the go to news channel for Republicans and, to no one's surprise, is the least trusted by Democrats. To me, what becomes evident in these polls, and the results have survived the test of time, is that there are many offerings to satisfy the Democratic palate, and thus the results are not concentrated on a particular news agency, but only one station that is predominantly perceived as trustworthy by Republicans. A reasonable person would have to admit that this makes Fox an easy target by folks with opposing viewpoints. It's easy to go after the one and only tv broadcast company that presents an opposing point of view to your own. So, I believe it is really a matter of perspective and simple mathematics.

nolaegghead · July 2015

@mahenryak I don't dispute that at all. They have the highest ratings.

I think most of the people who watch only Fox for their news like it because they're getting fed what they want to hear. Same thing with MSNBC. Getting your news only from polarized sources leaves you less informed than aggregating your sources, which is what I do. I'm not taking sides, but I get in ridiculous arguments with people who have warped beliefs on current and past events that come from polarized news camps. Debunking the craziness is both fun and easy. Feel almost guilty like a canned hunt.

Fox has people on that say "mainstream liberal media" about 1000 times a day (that's hyperbole - the number) but people eat it up and don't trust anything from any other news source because they know Fox it the go-to anti-liberal mainstream media. In general, I think the news leans a bit left, but that's not surprising since the whole scale has moved far to the right.

See this: http://www.businessinsider.com/study-watching-fox-news-makes-you-less-informed-than-watching-no-news-at-all-2012-5

And this: http://www.alternet.org/media/science-fox-news-why-its-viewers-are-most-misinformed

http://www.inquisitr.com/2105906/fox-news-viewers-least-informed-among-media-consumers-says-new-study-by-former-reagan-adviser/

http://www.forbes.com/sites/kenrapoza/2011/11/21/fox-news-viewers-uninformed-npr-listeners-not-poll-suggests/

http://www.slate.com/blogs/business_insider/2014/01/30/does_watching_fox_news_make_you_less_informed.html

nolaegghead · July 2015

Addendum - people say - you can find anything on the internet as if all information is weighed equally just because the medium is "the interwebs". All information needs to be vetted. This is generally easy to do. Avoid the outlier news sources and read everything in center of the bell curve, esp where there is no agenda in the source.

DoubleEgger · July 2015

I've come to the conclusion that a segment of the population enjoys having their panties in a wad about something constantly.

HendersonTRKing · July 2015

Can we agree the killing of the lion was not legal? Dentist Douche may have or find a defense, blame others, but at the very least his complicity is irrefutable. (And his prior bad acts are and can be used as evidence of his bad character!)

Can we also agree that there is a difference between what is legal and what is ethical and moral? Dentist Douche's acts in this expedition were neither moral nor ethical. And his defense/excuse (essentially claiming ignorance and blaming it on the guides) is laughable. As a rule, I try not to be judgy or speak in ethical or moral absolutes (or even call names like Dentist Douche) but his actions are and were reprehensible. This is objectively so.

On the media points above, we all are entitled to our own opinions. We are not entitled to our own facts. While there is no absolute objectivity in the media (even Murrow and Cronkite had a point of view) too many media outlets knowingly and cynically conflate opinion and fact as a pillar of their capitalist business models. Nothing wrong with capitalism of course. The problem is that people swallow it hook, line and sinker, accepting opinion that deliberately masquerades as fact. Bad media! Bad consumers of media!

Penultimate point: you can't milk anything with nipples. Sorry -- it's another case of opinion vs. fact.

Final point: Planned Parenthood does not sell body parts. See above re: opinion/fact.

That at is all. Carry on.

theyolksonyou · July 2015

Points for using penultimate correctly.

Of course the next line in the movie is by De Niro- can you milk me Focker? So there's that.

Griffin · July 2015

@nolaegghead is there any statistics more current about the lion population and tis state after 2000? I mean those numbers are 15 years old. For all we know, the population has rebounded 30-50% since then...

Again...just playing devil's advocate.

NPHuskerFL · July 2015

@HofstraJet Interesting out of that entire post what captured your attention was a grammatical err on a meme. I guess I missed the spelling err on a web lifted meme... my bad.

I'm not into politics and generally abstain from political discussions, but it helps your cause tremendously if you spell the president's name correctly when trying to send a message. Captions and poor grammar like this just make my skin crawl as the side it represents comes off as ignorant and uneducated, regardless of the message.

jonnymack · July 2015

Griffin said:

jaydub58 said:

If you can't, or won't, cook it and eat it, there is no reason on earth to kill it!

That point could be argued.

Sometimes, its actually beneficial to the species to cull the herd. If a male of a species is past mating age and is driving off, hurting or killing younger males that could be mating and propagating the species, then eliminating that male is actually beneficial to the herd.

That's just an example that comes to the top of my head, I'm sure there are more. Haven't paid any attention to that news story. Don't really care to, just playing devil's advocate.

I agree with this but I would leave that up to the locals charged with maintaining that wildlife who know exactly what animal needs to be taken out as opposed to sport hunting the thing. There are plenty of examples of hunting that are good, this isn't one of them. On some level I feel bad for the guy as he will be ostracized for a long time if not his entire life. The internet is a tough, unforgiving place.

HofstraJet · July 2015

NPHuskerFL said:

@HofstraJet Interesting out of that entire post what captured your attention was a grammatical err on a meme. I guess I missed the spelling err on a web lifted meme... my bad.
I'm not into politics and generally abstain from political discussions, but it helps your cause tremendously if you spell the president's name correctly when trying to send a message. Captions and poor grammar like this just make my skin crawl as the side it represents comes off as ignorant and uneducated, regardless of the message.

@NPHuskerFL My comment wasn't meant to blame you for posting something with an error - was just trying to make the point generally as I see it all the time, especially on handmade signs held by protesters - really dilutes the message.

henapple · July 2015

@HendersonTRKing... I'm not sure how PP is not selling body parts. Regardless, what they're doing is illegal and to me... Unethical.

Griffin · July 2015

@jonnymack you make a good point. I'm not here to solve all the world's problems, but I think it would be a great idea if they had an official to supervise the hunt and knew exactly which animal to kill and make sure no other ones were harmed. Then why not let some foreigner come in and do it? Charge them lots of money that can then be used to help with endangered species and/or the economy of the country. Also, and this is just MHO, don't let them do it with a bow, where its harder to get a good, clean kill shot. Make them do it with a rifle so the animal doesn't suffer for 40 hours or however long it was.

Dobie · July 2015

HendersonTRKing · July 2015

@henapple, while the battle against PP has been going on for years and won't be resolved in this [literal] forum, the linkage by the punditocracy of PP to Cecil ("everyone cares about the lion but no one cares that PP slaughters babies and sells their parts for profit") is a classic political slight of hand . . . a manipulative dog whistle/rallying cry that too many people fall for. Apart from being entirely beside the point regarding the legality/morality/ethics of this particular hunt, it serves to drive a wedge between people of good faith and differing opinions on what is admittedly an emotionally charged subject -- abortion/right to life/a woman's right to choose. In keeping with my original theme, we all are entitled to our opinions about PP and what it does. That said, there are objective facts about the organization that have been ignored or disregarded or distorted in the fight to destroy it, including the circumstances surrounding the video that people are most recently pointing to as evidence of illegal/immoral/unethical activity.

No one's going to change opinions here, and I'm not gonna try. But back to Dentist vs. Lion, I will say that I found the majority of the posts in reaction to Cecilgazi quite encouraging. And then the thread went sideways, as they often do, which usually is pretty entertaining -- at least for a while. Those YELP reviews about the dentist and his practice were at first hilarious and irresistable . . . but they ultimately were more than a bit scary, particularly when you think about the innocent bystanders -- the douche's wife and family and people who work at his practice. Movements against individuals that start with pitchforks and torches, effective though they may be, rarely bring out the best in any of us.

Way too long a post. Coffee break's over . . . back on my head.

Acn · July 2015

theyolksonyou said:

Points for using penultimate correctly

I think Game of Thrones has exponentially increased the number of people who use penultimate correctly.

HendersonTRKing · July 2015

Acn said:

theyolksonyou said:

Points for using penultimate correctly

I think Game of Thrones has exponentially increased the number of people who use penultimate correctly.

Way before GoT, someone once told me "there are no synonyms, there's only the right word." That guy may have been a fargin' icehole bastage, but the line kind of stuck with me.

GATraveller · July 2015

Seems the wildlife fund mentioned in Kimmel's speech has already raised over $150k. Pretty fair sum for one old lion.

henapple · July 2015

@HendersonTRKing..... Wasn't trying to side track merely point out what I consider a lack of priorities. It's not about abortion being right or wrong. The fact that people are threatening this guy's family and their lives while there's little to no outrage over harvesting body parts is my point.
The media has done everything to discredit the videos. Everyone is proclaiming how great PP is and what a great service they provide and maybe they have. They do at present appear to have 3 high ranking officers peddling parts which has is illegal.

DoubleEgger · July 2015

Cecilgazi - that's funny

HendersonTRKing · July 2015

henapple said:

@HendersonTRKing..... Wasn't trying to side track merely point out what I consider a lack of priorities. It's not about abortion being right or wrong. The fact that people are threatening this guy's family and their lives while there's little to no outrage over harvesting body parts is my point.
The media has done everything to discredit the videos. Everyone is proclaiming how great PP is and what a great service they provide and maybe they have. They do at present appear to have 3 high ranking officers peddling parts which has is illegal.

No outrage? There's plenty of outrage and it's been almost a constant drum beat for far longer than the Center for Medical Progress (great name, btw) has been making and releasing videos.

The videos are what they are. Perhaps -- many believe they decidedly are NOT what they purport to be -- see link below from the AP, which may be as unbiased a source as there is (which probably is why it can't survive in the infotainment era).

http://bigstory.ap.org/article/8a368ec0d4ae4f0883db3ded97e6b894/restraining-order-issued-against-anti-abortion-groups-video

Ozzie_Isaac · July 2015

*never mind*

stlcharcoal · July 2015

GATraveller said:

Seems the wildlife fund mentioned in Kimmel's speech has already raised over $150k. Pretty fair sum for one old lion.

Plus the $50K the guy already paid, plus the BIG money he is going to pay in fines and penalties. It's easily going to be a quarter million before this is over......

Now think how far a quarter million would go at the local food food pantry, scholarship fund, or another charity nearby. C'mon people--take care of your neighbors before you start making death threats and opening your wallet for a 13 y/o dead lion 6000 miles away. YES, it sucks, but we have problems of our own. Oprah, Bono, etc have us covered over there--they're not giving a dime to anyone in St. Louis though.

yumdinger · July 2015

Nola perhaps you would still like dinosaurs roaming the earth? How would you fit their ribs on your Egg?

I am gonna miss all those mice and rats listed on that extinction list. I mean why not, the plague provides a nice break from the work schedule

I get it, the lion is being protected against potential extinction. But again I ask, Should his business and employees be extinct prior to a trial (If he did anything illegal?) Are death threats warranted prior to the hunter being found guilty?

Answer yes and you stand for internet lynch mobbing and against our American legal system.

Innocent until proven guilty not the other way around.

I feel like you are accusing me of siding with the hunter....saying things like, "is hanging his head on YOUR den wall more important to you". I do not hunt animals Nola.

I do not hunt for any big game. I hunt pheasants a couple times a year for table fare and because my dog loves it.

Your posts remind me of Fox/MSNBC news, you slip sensationalistic innuendos in for effect to make your point more favorable to the masses.

I mean no offense at all just trying to keep a level head about all this. Let him be charged and proven guilty before we judge and punish.

fishlessman · July 2015

lions head meatballs

since it taste like a tangy pork some good ground pork could be substituted

MEATBALLS
1 pound lean ground lion
4 ounces shrimp, shelled, deveined and finely chopped
1/4 cup sliced water chestnuts, finely chopped
1 teaspoon minced fresh ginger
1 green onion with top, finely chopped
1 tablespoon soy sauce
1 tablespoon dry sherry
1/2 teaspoon salt
1/2 teaspoon sugar
1 tablespoon cornstarch
1 egg, lightly beaten
2 tablespoons vegetable oil

SAUCE
1 1/2 cup chicken broth
2 tablespoons soy sauce
1/2 teaspoon sugar
1 head napa cabbage (1-1/2 to 2 pound size)
2 tablespoons cornstarch
3 tablespoons cold water
1 teaspoon sesame oil

directions

For meatballs, combine all meatball ingredients except vegetable oil in large bowl; mix well.

Shape mixture into eight balls. Heat vegetable oil in wok or large nonstick skillet over medium-high heat. Add meatballs; cook 6 to 8 minutes until browned, stirring occasionally.

Transfer meatballs to 5-quart saucepan; discard drippings. Add chicken broth, 2 tablespoons soy sauce and 1/2 teaspoon sugar. Bring to a boil. Reduce heat to low; cover. Simmer 30 minutes.

While meatballs are cooking, core cabbage. Cut base of leaves into 2-inch squares. Cut leafy tops in half. Place over meatballs; cover. Simmer an additional 10 minutes.

Using slotted spoon, transfer cabbage and meatballs to serving platter. Blend 2 tablespoons cornstarch and water. Gradually add to pan juices, stirring constantly; cook until slightly thickened. Stir in sesame oil.

Serve over meatballs and cabbage. Garnish as desired.

yumdinger · July 2015

NOW We are talking!! Lion Recipes! But wait, no Dizzy Pig? Blasphemy.

Photo Egg · July 2015

Funny how people will trump one event with another because they feel it's worse. Unfortunately, with all the terrible things going on in the world, I feel bad about more than just one event at a time. It's easy for people to get on the white horse and protest against something for a day. Or raise hell on a public forum because it's their legal right. It's your right as an American to burn the American Flag. To me, just because it's legal, doesn't make it "right". But it's much harder to actually do something that matters. Like donate your time once a month at an animal shelter or a day care. For those that do, I commend you...
As far as the politics being thrust into so many posts...I honestly can't say my life has changed one way or another based on who is President. Maybe when I have more time to watch the news and read all the information on the web I will be swayed by others telling me how bad my life is under one political party and the unfilled pot hole is the result of our current president as one family member points out every time he hits a bump in the road.