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nolaegghead

Also, feel free to completely ignore what countries that have better math and other scholastic scores do to in order to improve our crappy scores.  That's totally socialist or something.

blasting

nolaegghead said:

blasting said:

nolaegghead said:

Really.  We must keep out kids focused on solving the equations and memorizing their multiplication tables, and not focus on higher cognitive development in math that connects real world problem and scholastic curriculum that is evidence-based.  100% behind ya, Blasting.  Damn kids will start hacking stuff if they are too smart. 

I do believe you are mocking me, but I'm not sure - probably because I didn't take common core

Totally not mocking you (that much).  I didn't take it either.  I sorta did figure out the alternative relationships on my own because I was terrible at math, but ended up with a minor in it despite that.

It's just an effort in evidence based practice applied to standardize education so colleges can have apples to apples when accepting applicants.  Doesn't make kids libtards or anything like devil worshipers.

I hadn't even thought that it might make my kid a devil worshiper, this new math might be worse than I originally thought.  Better start locking my bedroom door at night.


On another note - I'm about to settle in to watch You're the Worst (FX)

Anyone else watched it?

Legume

Is 'Electronics Engineering' even a degree?  I've known plenty of electrical engineers, zero electronics engineers.

JohnInCarolina

 Common core math is designed to teach kids some fundamental concepts behind the basic operations, so that they have a better understanding of what they’re actually doing.  It is a well researched and pedagogically sound approach.

That being said, its effective implementation requires teachers who are capable of selecting a good curriculum and then delivering it, and we don’t always have both or even one of those in any given classroom.   

We are fairly illiterate when it comes to math as a nation, and it’s hurt us. We have resorted to largely importing talent in this space to make up for our own inadequacies.  Machine learning algorithms and big data are going to be two of the main drivers behind innovation over the coming century, and math/stats/comp sci is the backbone that holds it all together. We ignore that at our own peril.

A better understanding of math would go a long way towards informing debate on a whole host of issues.  I’d say a lot more but it’s easy for these discussions to get political so I’ll stop there for now.  

YukonRon

In the lab.

thetrim

nolaegghead said:

Also, feel free to completely ignore what countries that have better math and other scholastic scores do to in order to improve our crappy scores.  That's totally socialist or something.

Don't start trying to teach our kids Chinese math.

thetrim

JohnInCarolina said:

 Common core math is designed to teach kids some fundamental concepts behind the basic operations, so that they have a better understanding of what they’re actually doing.  It is a well researched and pedagogically sound approach.

That being said, its effective implementation requires teachers who are capable of selecting a good curriculum and then delivering it, and we don’t always have both or even one of those in any given classroom.   

We are fairly illiterate when it comes to math as a nation, and it’s hurt us. We have resorted to largely importing talent in this space to make up for our own inadequacies.  Machine learning algorithms and big data are going to be two of the main drivers behind innovation over the coming century, and math/stats/comp sci is the backbone that holds it all together. We ignore that at our own peril.

A better understanding of math would go a long way towards informing debate on a whole host of issues.  I’d say a lot more but it’s easy for these discussions to get political so I’ll stop there for now.  

It is a lot of things, but definitely not pedagogical.  And, why do you HATE teachers seemingly as much as you HATE America?

Eoin

Here in the UK, some of the maths techniques taught to children are based purely around process and not understanding, so they don't really achieve anything useful in terms of creating a numerate society, but do work in terms of getting pupils to pass a test structured around the techniques taught.

All primary teachers have to have a certain level of attainment in maths, but this bar is pretty low.  I imagine most of them would struggle with the understanding, so making things process based means the teachers can keep up as well.

In general, our adult population struggles with basic day to day arithmetic, which is pretty pathetic for an 'advanced' nation.

DMW

Legume said:

Is 'Electronics Engineering' even a degree?  I've known plenty of electrical engineers, zero electronics engineers.

No, it isn't. Electronics Engineering Technology is a valid degree. EET is not the same as EE though.

DMW

northGAcock said:

DMW said:

Focker said:

5th grade common core math will drive one to drink.

The answer is 42.

You do that without a slide rule?

Yep, I just read a book. 

JohnInCarolina

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

 Common core math is designed to teach kids some fundamental concepts behind the basic operations, so that they have a better understanding of what they’re actually doing.  It is a well researched and pedagogically sound approach.

That being said, its effective implementation requires teachers who are capable of selecting a good curriculum and then delivering it, and we don’t always have both or even one of those in any given classroom.   

We are fairly illiterate when it comes to math as a nation, and it’s hurt us. We have resorted to largely importing talent in this space to make up for our own inadequacies.  Machine learning algorithms and big data are going to be two of the main drivers behind innovation over the coming century, and math/stats/comp sci is the backbone that holds it all together. We ignore that at our own peril.

A better understanding of math would go a long way towards informing debate on a whole host of issues.  I’d say a lot more but it’s easy for these discussions to get political so I’ll stop there for now.  

It is a lot of things, but definitely not pedagogical.  

What, precisely, do you think the word “pedagogical” means?

fishlessman

999-332=666
using common core could someone prove me wrong, or is it really the devils work

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

 Common core math is designed to teach kids some fundamental concepts behind the basic operations, so that they have a better understanding of what they’re actually doing.  It is a well researched and pedagogically sound approach.

That being said, its effective implementation requires teachers who are capable of selecting a good curriculum and then delivering it, and we don’t always have both or even one of those in any given classroom.   

We are fairly illiterate when it comes to math as a nation, and it’s hurt us. We have resorted to largely importing talent in this space to make up for our own inadequacies.  Machine learning algorithms and big data are going to be two of the main drivers behind innovation over the coming century, and math/stats/comp sci is the backbone that holds it all together. We ignore that at our own peril.

A better understanding of math would go a long way towards informing debate on a whole host of issues.  I’d say a lot more but it’s easy for these discussions to get political so I’ll stop there for now.  

It is a lot of things, but definitely not pedagogical.  

What, precisely, do you think the word “pedagogical” means?

does it have something to do with ancient greece, teachers, and pederasty

NPHuskerFL

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DoubleEgger

NPHuskerFL said:

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When Verizon is down and you HAVE to get on the forum...

Focker

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

 Common core math is designed to teach kids some fundamental concepts behind the basic operations, so that they have a better understanding of what they’re actually doing.  It is a well researched and pedagogically sound approach.

That being said, its effective implementation requires teachers who are capable of selecting a good curriculum and then delivering it, and we don’t always have both or even one of those in any given classroom.   

We are fairly illiterate when it comes to math as a nation, and it’s hurt us. We have resorted to largely importing talent in this space to make up for our own inadequacies.  Machine learning algorithms and big data are going to be two of the main drivers behind innovation over the coming century, and math/stats/comp sci is the backbone that holds it all together. We ignore that at our own peril.

A better understanding of math would go a long way towards informing debate on a whole host of issues.  I’d say a lot more but it’s easy for these discussions to get political so I’ll stop there for now.  

It is a lot of things, but definitely not pedagogical.  

What, precisely, do you think the word “pedagogical” means?

does it have something to do with ancient greece, teachers, and pederasty

LOL

fishlessman

checked out a hummer today, an hour away, asked all the questions, sent me a carfax before leaving, no accidents, scratches, dings etc. get there, walking around it the brush guards pulled out, the rear door doesnt open, the head liner above that door is brown water stains, truck is covered with road grime to hide the new paint down the passenger side, 8 inch paint drip sagging down under the door handle. rugger window gasket hanging, the whole side was hit. the car fax was so close  asking 31999 not mine. what a waste of time, and who would pay for a carfax service. never even climbed inside, whatawasteoftime

Focker

fishlessman said:

checked out a hummer today, an hour away, asked all the questions, sent me a carfax before leaving, no accidents, scratches, dings etc. get there, walking around it the brush guards pulled out, the rear door doesnt open, the head liner above that door is brown water stains, truck is covered with road grime to hide the new paint down the passenger side, 8 inch paint drip sagging down under the door handle. rugger window gasket hanging, the whole side was hit. the car fax was so close  asking 31999 not mine. what a waste of time, and who would pay for a carfax service. never even climbed inside, whatawasteoftime

32Gs, for that?  Good thing you were smart enough to run away. Sadly, someone else will eventually pay close to 30Gs.

fishlessman

Focker said:

fishlessman said:

checked out a hummer today, an hour away, asked all the questions, sent me a carfax before leaving, no accidents, scratches, dings etc. get there, walking around it the brush guards pulled out, the rear door doesnt open, the head liner above that door is brown water stains, truck is covered with road grime to hide the new paint down the passenger side, 8 inch paint drip sagging down under the door handle. rugger window gasket hanging, the whole side was hit. the car fax was so close  asking 31999 not mine. what a waste of time, and who would pay for a carfax service. never even climbed inside, whatawasteoftime

32Gs, for that?  Good thing you were smart enough to run away. Sadly, someone else will eventually pay close to 30Gs.

this was shady from the start, was 28999 when i emailed for info, price increased online an hour later. its worth about 25k, atleast thats what i got back from the ins claim last winter for one pretty near mint same miles. looking now, probably wait til the end of january though

Eoin

fishlessman said:

Focker said:

fishlessman said:

checked out a hummer today, an hour away, asked all the questions, sent me a carfax before leaving, no accidents, scratches, dings etc. get there, walking around it the brush guards pulled out, the rear door doesnt open, the head liner above that door is brown water stains, truck is covered with road grime to hide the new paint down the passenger side, 8 inch paint drip sagging down under the door handle. rugger window gasket hanging, the whole side was hit. the car fax was so close  asking 31999 not mine. what a waste of time, and who would pay for a carfax service. never even climbed inside, whatawasteoftime

32Gs, for that?  Good thing you were smart enough to run away. Sadly, someone else will eventually pay close to 30Gs.

this was shady from the start, was 28999 when i emailed for info, price increased online an hour later. its worth about 25k, atleast thats what i got back from the ins claim last winter for one pretty near mint same miles. looking now, probably wait til the end of january though

Same side damaged as yours? .........

thetrim

JohnInCarolina said:

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

 Common core math is designed to teach kids some fundamental concepts behind the basic operations, so that they have a better understanding of what they’re actually doing.  It is a well researched and pedagogically sound approach.

That being said, its effective implementation requires teachers who are capable of selecting a good curriculum and then delivering it, and we don’t always have both or even one of those in any given classroom.   

We are fairly illiterate when it comes to math as a nation, and it’s hurt us. We have resorted to largely importing talent in this space to make up for our own inadequacies.  Machine learning algorithms and big data are going to be two of the main drivers behind innovation over the coming century, and math/stats/comp sci is the backbone that holds it all together. We ignore that at our own peril.

A better understanding of math would go a long way towards informing debate on a whole host of issues.  I’d say a lot more but it’s easy for these discussions to get political so I’ll stop there for now.  

It is a lot of things, but definitely not pedagogical.  

What, precisely, do you think the word “pedagogical” means?

Don't know how to quite put it, but I think it had something to do w the kinda sick stuff Jerry Sandusky was into.  

fishlessman

Eoin said:

fishlessman said:

Focker said:

fishlessman said:

checked out a hummer today, an hour away, asked all the questions, sent me a carfax before leaving, no accidents, scratches, dings etc. get there, walking around it the brush guards pulled out, the rear door doesnt open, the head liner above that door is brown water stains, truck is covered with road grime to hide the new paint down the passenger side, 8 inch paint drip sagging down under the door handle. rugger window gasket hanging, the whole side was hit. the car fax was so close  asking 31999 not mine. what a waste of time, and who would pay for a carfax service. never even climbed inside, whatawasteoftime

32Gs, for that?  Good thing you were smart enough to run away. Sadly, someone else will eventually pay close to 30Gs.

this was shady from the start, was 28999 when i emailed for info, price increased online an hour later. its worth about 25k, atleast thats what i got back from the ins claim last winter for one pretty near mint same miles. looking now, probably wait til the end of january though

Same side damaged as yours? .........

the only thing i didnt dent was the skid plates i even had trees sticking out the tires

WeberWho

fishlessman said:

checked out a hummer today, an hour away, asked all the questions, sent me a carfax before leaving, no accidents, scratches, dings etc. get there, walking around it the brush guards pulled out, the rear door doesnt open, the head liner above that door is brown water stains, truck is covered with road grime to hide the new paint down the passenger side, 8 inch paint drip sagging down under the door handle. rugger window gasket hanging, the whole side was hit. the car fax was so close  asking 31999 not mine. what a waste of time, and who would pay for a carfax service. never even climbed inside, whatawasteoftime

I drove a 1,000 mile round trip for a vehicle a few years ago and came home empty handed. It sucks

JohnInCarolina

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

 Common core math is designed to teach kids some fundamental concepts behind the basic operations, so that they have a better understanding of what they’re actually doing.  It is a well researched and pedagogically sound approach.

That being said, its effective implementation requires teachers who are capable of selecting a good curriculum and then delivering it, and we don’t always have both or even one of those in any given classroom.   

We are fairly illiterate when it comes to math as a nation, and it’s hurt us. We have resorted to largely importing talent in this space to make up for our own inadequacies.  Machine learning algorithms and big data are going to be two of the main drivers behind innovation over the coming century, and math/stats/comp sci is the backbone that holds it all together. We ignore that at our own peril.

A better understanding of math would go a long way towards informing debate on a whole host of issues.  I’d say a lot more but it’s easy for these discussions to get political so I’ll stop there for now.  

It is a lot of things, but definitely not pedagogical.  

What, precisely, do you think the word “pedagogical” means?

Don't know how to quite put it, but I think it had something to do w the kinda sick stuff Jerry Sandusky was into.  

LOL.  You’re off by more than a few letters pal.

pgprescott

thetrim said:

nolaegghead said:

Also, feel free to completely ignore what countries that have better math and other scholastic scores do to in order to improve our crappy scores.  That's totally socialist or something.

Don't start trying to teach our kids Chinese math.

The Chinese go to school all year round I believe from 7am to @9pm starting in grade school based upon testing. Good luck. 

theyolksonyou

JohnInCarolina said:

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

 Common core math is designed to teach kids some fundamental concepts behind the basic operations, so that they have a better understanding of what they’re actually doing.  It is a well researched and pedagogically sound approach.

That being said, its effective implementation requires teachers who are capable of selecting a good curriculum and then delivering it, and we don’t always have both or even one of those in any given classroom.   

We are fairly illiterate when it comes to math as a nation, and it’s hurt us. We have resorted to largely importing talent in this space to make up for our own inadequacies.  Machine learning algorithms and big data are going to be two of the main drivers behind innovation over the coming century, and math/stats/comp sci is the backbone that holds it all together. We ignore that at our own peril.

A better understanding of math would go a long way towards informing debate on a whole host of issues.  I’d say a lot more but it’s easy for these discussions to get political so I’ll stop there for now.  

It is a lot of things, but definitely not pedagogical.  

What, precisely, do you think the word “pedagogical” means?

Don't know how to quite put it, but I think it had something to do w the kinda sick stuff Jerry Sandusky was into.  

LOL.  You’re off by more than a few letters pal.

This feels like a teaching moment.  

JohnInCarolina

pgprescott said:

thetrim said:

nolaegghead said:

Also, feel free to completely ignore what countries that have better math and other scholastic scores do to in order to improve our crappy scores.  That's totally socialist or something.

Don't start trying to teach our kids Chinese math.

The Chinese go to school all year round I believe from 7am to @9pm starting in grade school based upon testing. Good luck. 

The Chinese also send their very best students here to the US for college and graduate school in the STEM fields.  Somehow at the end of the day, perhaps not all is lost.

nolaegghead

JohnInCarolina said:

 Common core math is designed to teach kids some fundamental concepts behind the basic operations, so that they have a better understanding of what they’re actually doing.  It is a well researched and pedagogically sound approach.

That being said, its effective implementation requires teachers who are capable of selecting a good curriculum and then delivering it, and we don’t always have both or even one of those in any given classroom.   

We are fairly illiterate when it comes to math as a nation, and it’s hurt us. We have resorted to largely importing talent in this space to make up for our own inadequacies.  Machine learning algorithms and big data are going to be two of the main drivers behind innovation over the coming century, and math/stats/comp sci is the backbone that holds it all together. We ignore that at our own peril.

A better understanding of math would go a long way towards informing debate on a whole host of issues.  I’d say a lot more but it’s easy for these discussions to get political so I’ll stop there for now.  

News Alert: "America First" policy is cutting back importing people that can do math.  Politically brainwashed parents are watering down math and science curriculum for kids.  What could possibly go wrong?  #MAGA

kl8ton

JohnInCarolina said:

pgprescott said:

thetrim said:

nolaegghead said:

Also, feel free to completely ignore what countries that have better math and other scholastic scores do to in order to improve our crappy scores.  That's totally socialist or something.

Don't start trying to teach our kids Chinese math.

The Chinese go to school all year round I believe from 7am to @9pm starting in grade school based upon testing. Good luck. 

The Chinese also send their very best students here to the US for college and graduate school in the STEM fields.  Somehow at the end of the day, perhaps not all is lost.

They are all of 12 years old when sent here.