I need more govt in my life...

henapple

Eggcelsior said:

@henapple If more people cared, the uneducated votes would be offset  and we wouldn't have to deal with the crappy candidates from both sides that come through primaries. That's why no votes are worse, they allow uneducated votes thrive. Hell, we should be conscripted to vote so people are forced to learn the issues. 

Sardonicus

Eggcelsior said:

. . . Hell, we should be conscripted to vote so people are forced to learn the issues. 

You're being optimistic, @Eggcelsior- maybe overly so.

If forced to vote, it's entirely possible that lazy people would simply revert to voting along tribal lines.  Or vote according to the political ad they've seen most recently.  Or listen to AM radio.

I hope you're right (I suspect you're being facetious), but it's doubtful people can be forced to learn.

In fact, I know it isn't possible:  Decades ago, I encountered algebra-trig . . . 

It wasn't pretty.

Jeepster47

Just a suggestion ... only those who own property can vote ... or, only those who pay taxes can vote. 

Sardonicus

Jeepster47 said:

Just a suggestion ... only those who own property can vote ... or, only those who pay taxes can vote. 

Cool idea.  Caste systems always work!

KennyLee

JohnInCarolina said:

Wow this does not jive at all with what I've seen.  I say that as someone whose mother was an elementary school teacher her entire life, whose wife taught in inner-city Atlanta for five years, and also as a parent of children who go to public schools.  

They aren't compensated anywhere near enough in my book.  We are losing some fantastic teachers in NC because their pay is so lousy.  

Totally opposite of here....compensated very well and hard to get a job in education in our district because of the competition.  Probably varies from state to state, region to region, district to district.  And I will say I am very happy with our district. 

JohnInCarolina

Jeepster47 said:

Just a suggestion ... only those who own property can vote ... or, only those who pay taxes can vote. 

Or people who don't own property, maybe their votes shouldn't count as much?  Like 3/5?

theyolksonyou

JohnInCarolina said:

Jeepster47 said:

Just a suggestion ... only those who own property can vote ... or, only those who pay taxes can vote. 

Or people who don't own property, maybe their votes shouldn't count as much?  Like 3/5?

I thought the 3/5 folk WERE property. 

nolaegghead

I take a break from the forum and it's lord of the flies.

nolaegghead

Going back to the original post, where the govmnt updates it's food pyramid and recommendations (less meat) and meat producers are protesting because that may lower demand (which lowers cost)......  I say booo hoo. 

The "Obama" prominent in the title fires up the emotions of the fox viewers, who are in a world where science and reason are obscured by emotion and ideology. 

I love meat as much as anyone on this forum, but it's like loving cigarettes.  Denial isn't a river in Egypt.  Eggheads as a collective aren't exactly representing the pinnacle of healthy human BMI, if you want to look around at your typical BBQ festival, you'll notice that. 

I'm just gonna chalk this up as a troll post that's as entertaining as arterial plaque.

nolaegghead

And, follow the money.  This is the money.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6UsHHOCH4q8

henapple

@nolaegghead. ..I love the way everyone that doesn't sleep with Bill Nye apparently lives on Fox news. 

theyolksonyou

nolaegghead said:

Going back to the original post, 
The "Obama" prominent in the title fires up the emotions of the fox viewers, who are in a world where science and reason are obscured by emotion and ideology. 

because other big media is non-partisan and doesn't stir emotions 

nolaegghead said:

I'm just gonna chalk this up as a troll post that's as entertaining as arterial plaque.

Well I was certainly hoping to get more entertainment value, but alas, it fizzled quickly. 

fishlessman

when i want to know the real weather for tomorrow i watch fox news, when i want entertainment i watch abc (great footage on a drunk driving off the zakim bridge in boston and hitting the pavement 50 feet below head first this week) for the news i read this forum

Fred19Flintstone

I work for the guvmint and I'm here to help you.

Scared you, didn't I?  Well I do work for government and trust me you need less of it.

Eggcelsior

Sardonicus said:

Eggcelsior said:

. . . Hell, we should be conscripted to vote so people are forced to learn the issues. 

You're being optimistic, @Eggcelsior- maybe overly so.

If forced to vote, it's entirely possible that lazy people would simply revert to voting along tribal lines.  Or vote according to the political ad they've seen most recently.  Or listen to AM radio.

I hope you're right (I suspect you're being facetious), but it's doubtful people can be forced to learn.

In fact, I know it isn't possible:  Decades ago, I encountered algebra-trig . . . 

It wasn't pretty.

@sardonicus completely facetious. Politics are dumb and inane which has been made completely evident by this thread. 

GATraveller

I don't work for the Gubmint but I have to deal with them in Atlanta enough to know it's the blind leading the blind.  If you don't believe me just take a ride on our new Streetcar.

Eggcelsior

Jeepster47 said:

Just a suggestion ... only those who own property can vote ... or, only those who pay taxes can vote. 

This guy's a strict constructionist. White, land-owning males only people! 

Jeepster47

@Eggcelsior ... don't distort what I said.  And, don't pull that racist crap.

I live in Illinois ... we are the worst run state in the union.  The government unions back (fund) the politicians who will give them more (wages, pensions, etc.)  This has become such a sweetheart deal, with the addition of creative book keeping, that no one knows how deep in debt we really are.  One estimate puts it at 4.7 TRILLION for unfunded pension obligations.  Now remember that the government will not let private industry do this, but then the government feels that those rules don't apply to them. 

Oh yes, we are a deadbeat state when it comes to paying our bills ... I think some are unpaid from 2012.

Thus my point is that someone in Illinois has to act like an adult.  Someone who is responsible enough to have a job, pay taxes, own land.  You don't let the kids in your family decide how to manage the household budget, why would you allow that to happen at the state or federal level?

fishlessman

Jeepster47 said:

@Eggcelsior ... don't distort what I said.  And, don't pull that racist crap.

I live in Illinois ... we are the worst run state in the union.  The government unions back (fund) the politicians who will give them more (wages, pensions, etc.)  This has become such a sweetheart deal, with the addition of creative book keeping, that no one knows how deep in debt we really are.  One estimate puts it at 4.7 TRILLION for unfunded pension obligations.  Now remember that the government will not let private industry do this, but then the government feels that those rules don't apply to them. 

Oh yes, we are a deadbeat state when it comes to paying our bills ... I think some are unpaid from 2012.

Thus my point is that someone in Illinois has to act like an adult.  Someone who is responsible enough to have a job, pay taxes, own land.  You don't let the kids in your family decide how to manage the household budget, why would you allow that to happen at the state or federal level?

there is a valid point here, 18 year olds were really adults at one time, its not the case anymore for the majority

Eggcelsior

@Jeepster47 it was a joke about the original language of the US Constitution,  correlating directly with what you said about owning land that tied into other jokes made about your comment. 

Otherwise, cool story bro. 

Jeepster47

@Eggcelsior ... Our unifying president and his DOJ sidekick have set race relations back approximately 50 years. Poor Lyndon Johnson has got to be spitting mad and spinning in his grave over where we are today.  Thus, even among friends, you've got to make the joke more apparent ... kind of like this:

henapple

JohnInCarolina

Jeepster47 said:

@Eggcelsior ... Our unifying president and his DOJ sidekick have set race relations back approximately 50 years. 

It's true, they have pissed off a lot of crazy white folk.  But I never paid attention to Rudy Giuliani anyway.  

nolaegghead

Jeepster47 said:

@Eggcelsior ... don't distort what I said.  And, don't pull that racist crap.

I live in Illinois ... we are the worst run state in the union.  The government unions back (fund) the politicians who will give them more (wages, pensions, etc.)  This has become such a sweetheart deal, with the addition of creative book keeping, that no one knows how deep in debt we really are.  One estimate puts it at 4.7 TRILLION for unfunded pension obligations.  Now remember that the government will not let private industry do this, but then the government feels that those rules don't apply to them. 

Oh yes, we are a deadbeat state when it comes to paying our bills ... I think some are unpaid from 2012.

Thus my point is that someone in Illinois has to act like an adult.  Someone who is responsible enough to have a job, pay taxes, own land.  You don't let the kids in your family decide how to manage the household budget, why would you allow that to happen at the state or federal level?

I'm no fan of public pension plans, they should use the same plans us public workers use.  However, 4.7 TRILLION dollars?  I think your decimal point is off a few digits.  Where did you get such an outrageous number?  I can't find a source for that number.  Actually, please footnote your information or just shut up.

Jeepster47

@JohnInCarolina ... the crazy white folk are only half the equation.

Rohm Emanuel is the mayor of Chicago.  A week or so ago, according to the polls, he was just short of the 51% he needed to avoid a runoff election.  So, Obama came to Chicago to campaign for him ... that surely would push Rohm over the top.  This morning's paper reported that Rohm actually slid backwards and will now have to participate in a runoff election.

So, in addition to the crazy white folk, we have the disappointed blacks and the dead folks who are moving on ...

GATraveller

They're going to keep pushing and taxing those of us who actually work/contribute until we snap.........

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

Jeepster47 said:

@Eggcelsior ... don't distort what I said.  And, don't pull that racist crap.

I live in Illinois ... we are the worst run state in the union.  The government unions back (fund) the politicians who will give them more (wages, pensions, etc.)  This has become such a sweetheart deal, with the addition of creative book keeping, that no one knows how deep in debt we really are.  One estimate puts it at 4.7 TRILLION for unfunded pension obligations.  Now remember that the government will not let private industry do this, but then the government feels that those rules don't apply to them. 

Oh yes, we are a deadbeat state when it comes to paying our bills ... I think some are unpaid from 2012.

Thus my point is that someone in Illinois has to act like an adult.  Someone who is responsible enough to have a job, pay taxes, own land.  You don't let the kids in your family decide how to manage the household budget, why would you allow that to happen at the state or federal level?

I'm no fan of public pension plans, they should use the same plans us public workers use.  However, 4.7 TRILLION dollars?  I think your decimal point is off a few digits.  Where did you get such an outrageous number?  I can't find a source for that number.  Actually, please footnote your information or just shut up.

i believe your puter has a block on fox news

http://www.foxbusiness.com/government/2012/10/09/games-states-play-with-underfunded-pensions-665490505/

nolaegghead

Ok, so the statement was out of context.  He started off the paragraph with "I live in Illinois..."

I aggregate all news sources, no blocking here.

Zmokin

Jeepster47 said:

Just a suggestion ... only those who own property can vote ... or, only those who pay taxes can vote. 

I agree with the pay taxes part when it comes to voting on raising taxes, but personally, I think the nation should abandon the income taxes and go with a straight sales tax.  That way, everyone that earns their income illegally, hence no W-2 to file, will still pay their taxes based on how much they spend.  Save more and pay less taxes.  And you could drastically shrink one of the over-grown government agencies.

fishlessman

nolaegghead said:

Ok, so the statement was out of context.  He started off the paragraph with "I live in Illinois..."

I aggregate all news sources, no blocking here.

was just kidding on the block i do have a beef with people on public pension plans not contributing to social security though, this part of it is just wrong