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My HOA is ordering me to remove my Egg from the property
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tfhanson said:tz666 said:THEBuckeye said:
Really? You can't see both sides of the argument. You don't think she has a right to live in her house and not have it filled with smoke? If your neighbor was burning yard waste all the time and the smoke was filling up your house, wouldn't you want it to stop?
There are two sides of the argument that are both valid. A compromise is somewhere in there. At least the guy could get her number and call, letting her know he is about to fire up the egg. Living in a neighbourhood means compromise, that is why HOA's have come into existence.
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THEBuckeye said:tfhanson said:tz666 said:THEBuckeye said:
Really? You can't see both sides of the argument. You don't think she has a right to live in her house and not have it filled with smoke? If your neighbor was burning yard waste all the time and the smoke was filling up your house, wouldn't you want it to stop?
There are two sides of the argument that are both valid. A compromise is somewhere in there. At least the guy could get her number and call, letting her know he is about to fire up the egg. Living in a neighbourhood means compromise, that is why HOA's have come into existence.
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DoubleEgger said:This is slightly off topic but I feel the urge to share. Years ago, the Pinehurst NC police department was building a new HQ and I was managing the elevator installation. I was shooting the breeze with the chief when three senior citizens walked up and handed him a piece of paper. After they left, he told me that there was a group of seniors who would drive through Pinehurst every single morning at dawn and prepare a list of homeowner violations to be hand delivered to him. He said they'd start following up on the day's violations early in the afternoon.They/Them
Morgantown, PA
XL BGE - S BGE - KJ Jr - HB Legacy - BS Pizza Oven - 30" Firepit - King Kooker Fryer - PR72T - WSJ - BS 17" Griddle - XXL BGE - BS SS36" Griddle - 2 Burner Gasser - Pellet Smoker -
Ozzie_Isaac said:I would like to clarify some things:
1. You live in structure that has more than 1 family.
2. You own the patio but not the yard.
3. You asked about grills, but technically bought it AFTER the rule change. The rule changed between asking and buying.
That is essentially correct. The patio is technically part of the common area, but its use and enjoyment are limited by the Covenants to me and my family. FWIW, the patio is very private, hidden from view by anyone who is not poking his head onto the patio. We have an end unit, so there's no one whose property is immediately adjacent to the patio or the Egg.Littleton, Colorado
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Spaightlabs said:99% likelihood that it is a requirement of the HOA's property insurance carrier, which may not be selected buy the HOA, but rather by the management company if you are not 100% self-managed. All HOA's will have a board, but many of them will still have an outside mgt company, at least here in CO.
I have placed a lot of policies for HOAs in CO and several carriers do mandate no charcoal grills, while some disallow propane as well. The carriers tend to have no flexibility on the issue, and if it is a carrier requirement that board won't have any discretion.
Hope it goes your way, but not optimistic for you. You sound like you have a good perspective on things.
I think you've hit on the bottom line. If it's an insurance requirement, there's no good argument I can make. I'll find out when I ask for a hearing before the Board. If they reject all my arguments about the relative safety of ceramic grills because their hands are tied by insurance, I'll have given it my best shot.Littleton, Colorado
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Class_of_75 said:
I think you've hit on the bottom line. If it's an insurance requirement, there's no good argument I can make. I'll find out when I ask for a hearing before the Board. If they reject all my arguments about the relative safety of ceramic grills because their hands are tied by insurance, I'll have given it my best shot.
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mahenryak said:Class_of_75 said:
I think you've hit on the bottom line. If it's an insurance requirement, there's no good argument I can make. I'll find out when I ask for a hearing before the Board. If they reject all my arguments about the relative safety of ceramic grills because their hands are tied by insurance, I'll have given it my best shot.
Thank you. I'd like to say I'm leaving it in God's hands and not thinking twice, but I was just outside turning over the wings I'm cooking tonight and I was almost weeping over the Egg like a pet I might have to put down.Littleton, Colorado
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Fred19Flintstone said:HOA:
Thanks, Fred. All the humor on this thread has definitely helped today.Littleton, Colorado
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I'm WAY too big of an a$$hole to live somewhere that folks can tell me what to do. Good luck to you, I'm no help, but I could contribute some ideas for mischief.
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@Class_of_75 , Ive read all of your comments in this thread, and I feel for you. I think you are handling this well given the circumstances. I have to applaud your demeanor online as well, I dont think most people in your situation would realize you are publicly documenting your thoughts on a forum like this. It is feasible that your comments could be used against you, but you have done a good job of not allowing the HOA the pleasure. I wish you the best in your fight.
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Class_of_75 said:
Thank you. I'd like to say I'm leaving it in God's hands and not thinking twice, but I was just outside turning over the wings I'm cooking tonight and I was almost weeping over the Egg like a pet I might have to put down.
LG BGE, KJ Jr, Smokin Bros. Premier 36 and Pizza Party Bollore -
I would still think the driveway option might be a solution?
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THEBuckeye said:Speaking of HOA overreach, this is my 'hood:
5/22/2015 10:42:34 AM
On December 19, 2014, I filed a lawsuit in Fulton County Magistrate Court naming the Laurel Springs HOA, Inc. as Defendant. My claim was that the HOA improperly fined me $750 for making left turns from Windsor Hill Passage onto Old Atlanta Road. I considered it improper because the HOA’s authority to regulate traffic and impose fines ends at the Laurel Springs property line, and does not extend into the public right-of-way. I pointed this out to the property manager, the HOA Board, and the HOA's attorneys multiple times, but the Board would not refund my $750.
On April 20, 2015, the case was heard at trial before Judge Walter Lovett in Fulton County. The judge agreed with me and ordered the HOA to pay $750, effectively refunding the money I paid in fines. I received a check on May 19, 2015.
If you were cited and fined for this alleged offense, you probably are eligible for a refund too. Please share this information with your neighbors who may not read this message board. I expected the Board would inform everyone and proactively issue refunds, but I have not seen any indication of this, aside from my own individual refund. I am happy to answer any questions or provide details, either on this message board or by private email.
Finally, please think about the expense the HOA incurred defending this lawsuit and the possibility of paying higher insurance premiums after losing at trial. This was never even a close call, and it should not have required that I file a lawsuit. The Board chose to rely on legal advice that was factually and demonstrably flawed, even though any neutral non-lawyer looking at the facts could see the error. I politely pointed this out in writing and in person (including supporting documentation) several times but it had no effect. The Board had established its position and apparently decided these facts were just too inconvenient.
I sincerely appreciate the hard work and good intentions of the volunteer HOA Board. Unfortunately, I believe “groupthink” and emotions took over the Board’s deliberations. Certainly the Board needs to address homeowner concerns about traffic, but must strive to operate within the limits of the HOA Bylaws, Covenants, and state law. Dissenting or alternative opinions should not merely be tolerated, but actually be considered in a thoughtful and careful manner. Legal advice ought to be challenged and questioned, especially when it does not sound right. Please encourage the Board to exercise caution when creating new rules, imposing fines, and enforcing the covenants. Preventable mistakes can be very expensive. Thank you.
_________________________________________________Don't let the truth get in the way of a good story!Large BGE 2006, Mini Max 2014, 36" Blackstone, Anova Sous Vide
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When did people start hating food?LBGE& SBGE———————————————•———————– Pennsylvania / poconos
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grege345 said:When did people start hating food?
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Class_of_75 said:
I think you've hit on the bottom line. If it's an insurance requirement, there's no good argument I can make. I'll find out when I ask for a hearing before the Board. If they reject all my arguments about the relative safety of ceramic grills because their hands are tied by insurance, I'll have given it my best shot.
It seems like you have a good chance to win. If you express how you went through the appropriate safety steps first, and the significant investment of the egg itself, and bolster with a fire chief letter and some solid stats. . . Well, when presented professionally and politely, I don't see how a reasonable person can refute you.
If they say no, then I'd sue for the price of the grill and accessories, as well as pain and suffering for missing out on the best BBQ for the next however many years!Pittsburgh, PA - 1 LBGE -
Only one thing left to do:
Steve
XL, Mini Max, and a 22" Blackstone in Cincinnati, Ohio -
Add a propane tank to the bottom of it with a mock line glued to the base .... Problem solved ...
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Yep, make it a hybrid with a gas starter. Send the HOA a certified letter stating you have a Big Green Egg gas grill and you can demonstrate that it cooks properly with the pictured gas bottle. If yours goes then all grills have to go! (Gas included)
Just like hotels with hybrid parking spots, slap a hybrid decal on your 2500 diesel with a 1/4 million miles on it and park where you want.WES (weekendeggsmoker)
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Move. Seriously.
My hoa just sent me a letter because my mailbox post was stained, not painted white. I'm sooooo f'ing over hoas.Slumming it in Aiken, SC. -
Jeremiah said:Move. Seriously.
My hoa just sent me a letter because my mailbox post was stained, not painted white. I'm sooooo f'ing over hoas.
When we we moved here we got a copy of the covenants. There may be 10% of homes in total compliance and that's fine by me. No active hoa and that's even better. -
HOA's should be outlawed. They were put in place so a bunch of busy bodies could exert their "perfect world" on everyone else. They serve no useful purpose. Period. We lived in a subdivision with an HOA. Until just a few years ago, they allowed only one roofing material. Shake Shingle. If one house caught fire, usually two or more did. They finally got some sensible people on the board and realized they could be liable if someone requested a composite material that looked like SS and then their house caught fire because the neighbors house caught fire and they had denied that request.
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I've never understood why people would live in a community with a HOA. if I want to go out back and fire up the damn egg at 2am I'm going to. I don't need to a group of people telling me when and if I can grill. I have enough morons legislating dumb **** and spending my money faster than I ever could.XL BGE, KJ classic, Joe Jr, UDS x2
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ryantt said:I've never understood why people would live in a community with a HOA. if I want to go out back and fire up the damn egg at 2am I'm going to. I don't need to a group of people telling me when and if I can grill. I have enough morons legislating dumb **** and spending my money faster than I ever could.
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onedbguru said:HOA's should be outlawed. They were put in place so a bunch of busy bodies could exert their "perfect world" on everyone else. They serve no useful purpose. Period. We lived in a subdivision with an HOA. Until just a few years ago, they allowed only one roofing material. Shake Shingle. If one house caught fire, usually two or more did. They finally got some sensible people on the board and realized they could be liable if someone requested a composite material that looked like SS and then their house caught fire because the neighbors house caught fire and they had denied that request.
In the end, I hate my HOA at times but I don't think they should be outlawed. For all the headaches they cause(architecture control committee, design review board) there is also a realized benefit. For 71 bucks/month, I get yard maintenance, snow removal, a clubhouse with a gym and library, tennis courts, basketball court, 2 pools, and maintenance of common grounds and water features/ walking paths. The board also provides an outlet for conflict resolution which has its benefits(I've been on the wrong end of this but the aggreived is batshit).
I suppose if I had a worse time with one I'd feel differently. The nice thing about them is that they're hyper localized forms of government so it's pretty easy to effect change if you really have your druthers. -
HOAs have their place. Like all things some people choose to abuse their power. When that happens get involved and fix it.
I'm not on my HOA board, but I know all of them. They are real reasonable. They mostly exist to manage the pool, park, and club house. Our local state gov't handles most ordinance related issues.They don’t want a population of citizens capable of critical thinking. They don’t want well informed, well educated people capable of critical thinking. They’re not interested in that. That doesn’t help them. That's against their interests. - George Carlin -
Class_of_75 said:
I received a notice from my HOA ordering me to remove my Egg because it violates a rule they imposed after I bought my LBGE. The new rule is that only propane grills are allowed on decks or patios. My Egg is on a concrete patio in a nest. Before I bought it, I checked with the local fire department. I spoke with the captain and he told me he considers a BGE to be as safe as any propane grill and he joked about inviting himself over for some ribs.
I don't know what to do about this other than to fight it legally. I don't want to go to the expense of hiring an attorney, but I don't think it's right that they came up with a rule after the fact, especially considering the Egg is as safe as a propane grill.
"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Looks like everything has been covered. So good luck.Henderson TN. 1 large BGE, 1 Webber Gasser (recently seems to have converted into a warming oven)
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One thing that I don't think has been mentioned is starting methods. When most people think of a charcoal grill, they think of a kettle type with Kingsford in it. Most of the time those are lit with about half a bottle of lighter fluid, and flames shooting 3-4 feet above the grill. In a condo situation that probably scares the crap out of people.
You might want to explain the use of cubes/electric etc to light the egg. I probably would not demo the use of a weed burner
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