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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 35,103

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • dbCooper
    dbCooper Posts: 2,731
    A little something for those that like maths.  Apparently immigration is really good for America.  Who knew?  :)

    Opinion
    George F. Will
    America needs immigrants as much as they need liberty’s blessings

    Two dissimilar government agencies have inadvertently combined to clarify the immigration debate. Stomach-turning excesses by Immigration and Customs Enforcement have turned many Americans’ abstract political preference into something uncomfortably concrete. And the Census Bureau has demonstrated that the nation needs immigrants as much as they need the blessings of American liberty.

    Given a clear binary choice — for or against deporting immigrants who are here illegally — most Americans favor deportation. However:

    One Sunday, a moderately pro-deportation American goes, as usual, for brunch at the neighborhood diner. Jose, who has put waffles in front of this American for 20 years, and who regularly exchanges pleasantries with him about their families, is gone. He has been deported for America’s improvement. Suddenly, the immigration issue has a face, and complexity.

    President Joe Biden’s choice not to enforce immigration laws poisoned the immigration debate, and led to government behavior today that is deepening distrust of government. The influx during Biden’s four years (8.3 million, more than in the preceding 12 years), torrential and dispersed, has clouded the picture. This, however, seems true:

    The foreign-born portion of the U.S. population (15.8 percent) is higher than at any time since at least 1850. But as of 2023, only 27 percent were not authorized to be here. More than half of all immigrants (52 percent) have become U.S. citizens. Prior to the Biden inundation, most undocumented immigrants had arrived before 2010, 43 percent as of 2020 had been here at least 20 years, about one-third were homeowners, and their 5 million children born here were citizens. Talk of sending them “home” is nonsensical.

    They are home. For which, give thanks:

    The Census Bureau reports that between July 2024 and July 2025, the U.S. population grew by just 0.5 percent, 1.4 million less than in the previous 12 months, primarily because of less immigration. According to the Pew Research Center, during the first six months of this administration, the foreign-born population shrank by more than a million, the first decline since the 1960s. According to the Migration Policy Institute, between 2022 and 2023, for the first time since relevant census data began being collected in 1850, immigration accounted for the entire U.S. population growth.

    As the U.S. population ages, those leaving the workforce enter Social Security and Medicare. The nation’s birth rate is below the replacement rate, so immigration must replenish the workforce whose tax contributions fund the entitlements.

    Immigrants are 23.6 percent of STEM (science, technology, engineering, math) workers. Nurses (15.9 percent foreign born) and health aides (28.4 percent foreign born) are crucial to an aging America.

    A recent Cato Institute report (“Immigrants’ Recent Effects on Government Budgets: 1994-2023”) says: Immigrants “generated more in taxes than they received in benefits from all levels of government.” They “created a cumulative fiscal surplus of $14.5 trillion in real 2024 US dollars,” including $3.9 trillion in savings on interest that did not need to be paid on debt that was not added.

    Immigrants were, on average, more than 12 percent more likely to be employed than the U.S.-born population. Cato: “In 1994, the immigrant share of government expenditures was 18 percent below their share of the population; in 2023, it was 25 percent below.”

    In 2023, immigrants constituted almost 18 percent of the civilian labor force, and more than a third of them were in management, professional and related occupations, almost double the 21 percent in service occupations (e.g., hospitality). In 2023, immigrant median household income ($78,700) was slightly above that of U.S.-born households ($77,600).

    The Cato data comes from static, not dynamic, accounting: It does not, for example, gauge immigration’s dynamism injection: Immigration — risk-taking for improved opportunity — is an entrepreneurial act. Unsurprisingly, immigrants’ workforce participation rate (66.5 percent) is higher than that of the U.S.-born population (61.7 percent), and immigrants’ portions of U.S. patents and start-ups exceeds immigrants’ portion of the population.

    As Cato notes, many illegal immigrants who are employed under borrowed or stolen identities have taxes withheld by employers but are ineligible for many government benefits. And they are less likely than others to file returns in order to claim refunds. This is another reason why Cato says:

    “Immigrants have created an enormous fiscal surplus for the US government … The $14.5 trillion in savings from immigrants is the equivalent of 33 percent of the total inflation-adjusted combined deficits from 1994 to 2023 without immigrants.”

    That fellow having brunch at the diner will still get his waffles. But he will miss Jose, and millions like him, in more ways that he can easily imagine.

    LBGE, LBGE-PTR, 22" Weber, Coleman 413G
    Great Plains, USA
  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,981
    Summary of above:

    ∙ Biden’s non-enforcement caused an 8.3 million immigrant influx, poisoning the debate — but deportation only became real for many Americans when it touched someone like Jose, their waiter of 20 years.

    ∙ Only 27% of the foreign-born population is unauthorized; most undocumented immigrants have been here 20+ years, many own homes, and their children are U.S. citizens. They are already home.

    ∙ U.S. population growth is slowing sharply as immigration falls, and with an aging population and below-replacement birth rates, immigrants are essential to funding Social Security and Medicare.

    ∙ Immigrants punch above their weight economically: higher employment rates, $14.5 trillion in cumulative fiscal surplus (1994–2023), outsized contributions to STEM, healthcare, patents, and startups.
    ∙ Many undocumented workers pay taxes but claim few benefits — making them net fiscal contributors even among the unauthorized population.

    ∙ The cost of mass deportation — economic, social, and human — is far larger than most Americans realize.​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​​

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,981
    edited March 13
    As an aside, I drive by 5 gas stations on my way to work.  This morning prices were up 0.50 and regular and 0.75 on diesel from yesterday.

    Iran is settling in for a long war and their goal is economic pain, not actually winning.  Per the POTUS we have destroyed and bombed everything we can from the air.  And yet Iran is still causing havoc in the Middle East.  I’m not a Fox News Pundit or a Christian Nationalist , so clearly not qualified to run the DOW (Department of War - maybe why Pati Bondi got confused  and thought it being over 50,000 was important when deposed?) but I think someone didn’t read the briefings or listen to their advisors?

    as another aside, the largest ever emergency release of oil from strategic reserves (400 mb) is enough to make up 20 days of this.  After that there is no way to help ease your pain at the pump or on any consumer goods that are shipped.  Wait till this hits already inflated food prices.  We won’t be grilling much beef or pork this summer.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 35,103
    The notion that “Biden didn’t enforce our immigration laws” somehow manages to ignore the math of over 4 million people being deported during his presidency.  It is a number that exceeded that of any president before him.


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,369
    As an aside, I drive by 5 gas stations on my way to work.  This morning prices were up 0.50 and regular and 0.75 on diesel from yesterday.

    Iran is settling in for a long war and their goal is economic pain, not actually winning.  Per the POTUS we have destroyed and bombed everything we can from the air.  And yet Iran is still causing havoc in the Middle East.  I’m not a Fox News Pundit or a Christian Nationalist , so clearly not qualified to run the DOW (Department of War - maybe why Pati Bondi got confused  and thought it being over 50,000 was important when deposed?) but I think someone didn’t read the briefings or listen to their advisors?

    as another aside, the largest ever emergency release of oil from strategic reserves (400 mb) is enough to make up 20 days of this.  After that there is no way to help ease your pain at the pump or on any consumer goods that are shipped.  Wait till this hits already inflated food prices.  We won’t be grilling much beef or pork this summer.
    Your heart will thank you. 
  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,981
    Curious what those who served, had parents, siblings, or children who served or are serving think of DJTs post? (By now everyone is aware he was exempted from service for bone spurs)


    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,319
    Apologies, dealing with stuff and things that drive me to be a bit unhinged. 

    I get all over the place sometimes. 
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 35,103

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,514
    No apologies required, Ron; thank you for that post.  

    "The sooner you fall behind, the more time you'll have to catch up."  - SW

    Ogden, UT, USA


  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 35,103
    Got to hand it to these guys.  For all the noise they made about Hunter Biden’s dealings, they just go ahead and do this stuff in broad daylight.


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 35,103
    lol, sure Jan


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 37,320
    CHEETO has been involved in more upside down deals than any other President. I'm sure whatever comes of this will only line his pockets and the oil rich Russia of Vlad The Impaler. Sanctions lifted on Russian oil...
    CHEETO is in a trick-sack of his own doing and there is no simple way out.  
    The Straits of Hormuz are like a vice grip on the world's testicles...You control the straits...
    At last we have bit of a bargaining chip with Kharg Island but it is a weak play at best.
    Best to "Declare Victory" and deal with the aftermath.  

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,981
    YukonRon said:
    Apologies, dealing with stuff and things that drive me to be a bit unhinged. 

    I get all over the place sometimes. 
    Thank you for taking the time to express your thoughts and especially with relation to your personal life experiences.  I don’t have your perspective or experiences, but I agree with your sentiment. I hope all is not lost.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,981
    edited March 15
    lol, sure Jan


    Such transparent ****. He is claiming he won’t accept a deal, so he can look like it is his decision to not stop the war. There is no deal, there is no offer.  Iran probably told him to go **** himself.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 35,103

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,981

    Not only did it include a photo of Trump during the “dignified” /s transfer, but it promised private national security briefings by Trump himself disclosing never public before information on threats facing America.

    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

  • Ozzie_Isaac
    Ozzie_Isaac Posts: 21,981
    Wonder if Iran will fall for this promise also?


    I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.

  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,369
    When someone gives you shoes that don’t fit. 


  • When someone gives you shoes that don’t fit. 


    I don’t think Trump has the physical fortitude to duck that quickly. 
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 35,103
    Now discussions of Cuba:

    https://www.nytimes.com/2026/03/16/world/americas/trump-cuba-president-diaz-canel.html?unlocked_article_code=1.TlA.Ygf9.a5SMOwYKG0cM


    O' beautiful, for spacious skies
    Now those skies are threatening
    They're beating plowshares into swords
    For this tired old man that we elected king
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 35,103
    We just keep lining up our bridges to various allies and setting them on fire.


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,806
    nobody seems to complain about trump going golfing anymore =)
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 19,369
    nobody seems to complain about trump going golfing anymore =)