Ozzie_Isaac said:

Imagine if Clay showed such passion for other victims of a mass shooting... even just this month. 

DoubleEgger said:

At its core, this is just another example of the gun violence problem in America. 

Hate problem in America *

Pretty sure he is not far right 

FlyOverCountry said:

Where are the lies?  This is all just common cents.  He was kilt for telling kids that college is no place for free thoughts a big ideas.  Its to expansive for that.  If you want to learn big ideas clean toilets at Walmart for ten years.  

The lies come from the half posted remarks. That’s a typical tactic. You don’t show it in reference. Just like the empathy reference. He said he didn’t like the word because it’s was a reference to a person feeling what the person hurting feels. He stated you can’t feel what they feel so he preferred the word sympathy. This is no different than how people pull a snippet from the Bible and use it as proof without showing the entire message. 

Legume said:

lkapigian said:

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Does it matter?

Responding to the post above, if it matters 

lkapigian said:

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Why?

CupCakeEater said:

FlyOverCountry said:

Where are the lies?  This is all just common cents.  He was kilt for telling kids that college is no place for free thoughts a big ideas.  Its to expansive for that.  If you want to learn big ideas clean toilets at Walmart for ten years.  

The lies come from the half posted remarks. That’s a typical tactic. You don’t show it in reference. Just like the empathy reference. He said he didn’t like the word because it’s was a reference to a person feeling what the person hurting feels. He stated you can’t feel what they feel so he preferred the word sympathy. This is no different than how people pull a snippet from the Bible and use it as proof without showing the entire message. 

The statement about black women was also not truthful. He was only talking about a few individuals that used affirmative action to get a job. He never used the term “black women” as a collective group. Just showing that these individuals received their jobs because of their skin color and not their merit. 

I voted for Trump - a massive regret.  I have found that when I put his quotes in context or watch the entire video it is way worse than I could have imagined.

He is an objectively awful human being and a hate filled megalomaniac.  I voted for my pocket book while ignoring everything else.

Hopefully our Democracy lasts long enough for me to try and make amends.  Not sure we will even make it to the midterms, and that rests at the feet of Trump and his machine that ignores the constitution and ignores the rule of law - not to mention human decency at every single step.

Hate has to eat, I guess sometimes it eats itself.

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Also, the fact I am worried to even post that on a forum and unleash his goon squad me says all I need to know about the direction of America.  MAGA is a joke.  Should be DOA.  Destruction of America.

I voted for Trumpers as well,  no goon here..

With all the misinformation from both sides and the self medicating and stroking of backs that happen in all forms of communication 

Im just numb to it all..

lousubcap said:

Here is a challenge, especially on a Friday night:
From Politico:
The Friday Read

10 Political Violence Experts on What Comes Next for America

Can America escape the spiral of political violence after Charlie Kirk’s killing?

The link-

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-political-violence-expert-analysis-00558638?nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nname=playbook&nrid=029a6cb0-ce47-467b-b7ef-0a38ceb899fd&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email. 

When I read these articles, I always ask myself

”Who checks the checker?”

who validates the data to ensure the data isn’t manipulated to support the view, or scarier, changes a word, time period, or any other delta to get data to align with them…

RAW data is great, but most applications cannot compile RAW data from different dataj sources. This requires intervention which can slant and skew the raw data..

this caption is opinion, but reads as factual

”These horrific events are part of a broader pattern of political violence in the U.S. that began with the insurrection at the Capitol in 2021.”

If some think January 6th was a violent situation…they are disconnected from violence. 

Legume said:

Please explain. Or are you disconnected from the stories of the victims and their families - mainly the capitol police.  J6 was far more violent than a single gunshot in Utah.

I don’t believe any capitol police were shot and killed on January 6th

But I don't have the raw data 🤣

 Not even an original reply. Thanks Bill. 

Legume said:

But I don't have the raw data 🤣

And off cuff, I do have access to some RAW data from a retired U.S.Army Ranger who did a few tours and a naval special forces team member if you would like to meet up and speak to them on violent situations.

no manipulation from them sitting across a table from you.

DoubleEgger said:

lkapigian said:

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Some early reporting is stating that the shooter was involved with the Nick Fuentes backed Groypers group. 

Never heard of either , had to look it up lol … I try and stay away from most of this stuff, I dislike negativity no matter where it’s from , I just want to be happy and many times that’s just being in my own little world