RIP--Charlie Kirk

caliking

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Imagine if Clay showed such passion for other victims of a mass shooting... even just this month. 

Ozzie_Isaac

caliking said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Imagine if Clay showed such passion for other victims of a mass shooting... even just this month. 

Heck, even just the same day.

billt01

DoubleEgger said:

At its core, this is just another example of the gun violence problem in America. 

Hate problem in America *

DoubleEgger

Someone seems to have had a change of heart.

lkapigian

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Legume

lkapigian said:

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Does it matter?

CupCakeEater

FlyOverCountry said:

Where are the lies?  This is all just common cents.  He was kilt for telling kids that college is no place for free thoughts a big ideas.  Its to expansive for that.  If you want to learn big ideas clean toilets at Walmart for ten years.  

The lies come from the half posted remarks. That’s a typical tactic. You don’t show it in reference. Just like the empathy reference. He said he didn’t like the word because it’s was a reference to a person feeling what the person hurting feels. He stated you can’t feel what they feel so he preferred the word sympathy. This is no different than how people pull a snippet from the Bible and use it as proof without showing the entire message. 

The statement about black women was also not truthful. He was only talking about a few individuals that used affirmative action to get a job. He never used the term “black women” as a collective group. Just showing that these individuals received their jobs because of their skin color and not their merit. 

DoubleEgger

lkapigian said:

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Some early reporting is stating that the shooter was involved with the Nick Fuentes backed Groypers group. 

lkapigian

Legume said:

lkapigian said:

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Does it matter?

Responding to the post above, if it matters 

OviedoGoddess

CupCakeEater said:

FlyOverCountry said:

Where are the lies?  This is all just common cents.  He was kilt for telling kids that college is no place for free thoughts a big ideas.  Its to expansive for that.  If you want to learn big ideas clean toilets at Walmart for ten years.  

The lies come from the half posted remarks. That’s a typical tactic. You don’t show it in reference. Just like the empathy reference. He said he didn’t like the word because it’s was a reference to a person feeling what the person hurting feels. He stated you can’t feel what they feel so he preferred the word sympathy. This is no different than how people pull a snippet from the Bible and use it as proof without showing the entire message. 

The statement about black women was also not truthful. He was only talking about a few individuals that used affirmative action to get a job. He never used the term “black women” as a collective group. Just showing that these individuals received their jobs because of their skin color and not their merit. 

Is there some broader context to him being concerned about a black pilot?  Or calling LGBTQ a social contagion?  

OviedoGoddess

lkapigian said:

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Why?

GrateEggspectations

DoubleEgger said:

At its core, this is just another example of the gun violence problem in America. 

A cost that Kirk proclaimed was worth it, by his own admission, to protect second amendment rights. RIP. 

Ozzie_Isaac

CupCakeEater said:

FlyOverCountry said:

Where are the lies?  This is all just common cents.  He was kilt for telling kids that college is no place for free thoughts a big ideas.  Its to expansive for that.  If you want to learn big ideas clean toilets at Walmart for ten years.  

The lies come from the half posted remarks. That’s a typical tactic. You don’t show it in reference. Just like the empathy reference. He said he didn’t like the word because it’s was a reference to a person feeling what the person hurting feels. He stated you can’t feel what they feel so he preferred the word sympathy. This is no different than how people pull a snippet from the Bible and use it as proof without showing the entire message. 

The statement about black women was also not truthful. He was only talking about a few individuals that used affirmative action to get a job. He never used the term “black women” as a collective group. Just showing that these individuals received their jobs because of their skin color and not their merit. 

I voted for Trump - a massive regret.  I have found that when I put his quotes in context or watch the entire video it is way worse than I could have imagined.

He is an objectively awful human being and a hate filled megalomaniac.  I voted for my pocket book while ignoring everything else.

Hopefully our Democracy lasts long enough for me to try and make amends.  Not sure we will even make it to the midterms, and that rests at the feet of Trump and his machine that ignores the constitution and ignores the rule of law - not to mention human decency at every single step.

Ozzie_Isaac

Also, the fact I am worried to even post that on a forum and unleash his goon squad me says all I need to know about the direction of America.  MAGA is a joke.  Should be DOA.  Destruction of America.

Legume

Hate has to eat, I guess sometimes it eats itself.

lousubcap

Here is a challenge, especially on a Friday night:
From Politico:
The Friday Read

10 Political Violence Experts on What Comes Next for America

Can America escape the spiral of political violence after Charlie Kirk’s killing?

The link-

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-political-violence-expert-analysis-00558638?nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nname=playbook&nrid=029a6cb0-ce47-467b-b7ef-0a38ceb899fd&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email. 

billt01

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Also, the fact I am worried to even post that on a forum and unleash his goon squad me says all I need to know about the direction of America.  MAGA is a joke.  Should be DOA.  Destruction of America.

I voted for Trumpers as well,  no goon here..

With all the misinformation from both sides and the self medicating and stroking of backs that happen in all forms of communication 

Im just numb to it all..

lkapigian

OviedoGoddess said:

lkapigian said:

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Why?

I would think it would be intraspecific aggression , but possible I suppose if he wanted to take Kirk’s place 

billt01

lousubcap said:

Here is a challenge, especially on a Friday night:
From Politico:
The Friday Read

10 Political Violence Experts on What Comes Next for America

Can America escape the spiral of political violence after Charlie Kirk’s killing?

The link-

https://www.politico.com/news/magazine/2025/09/12/charlie-kirk-political-violence-expert-analysis-00558638?nid=0000014f-1646-d88f-a1cf-5f46b7bd0000&nname=playbook&nrid=029a6cb0-ce47-467b-b7ef-0a38ceb899fd&utm_source=substack&utm_medium=email. 

When I read these articles, I always ask myself

”Who checks the checker?”

who validates the data to ensure the data isn’t manipulated to support the view, or scarier, changes a word, time period, or any other delta to get data to align with them…

RAW data is great, but most applications cannot compile RAW data from different dataj sources. This requires intervention which can slant and skew the raw data..

this caption is opinion, but reads as factual

”These horrific events are part of a broader pattern of political violence in the U.S. that began with the insurrection at the Capitol in 2021.”

If some think January 6th was a violent situation…they are disconnected from violence. 

Legume

Please explain. Or are you disconnected from the stories of the victims and their families - mainly the capitol police.  J6 was far more violent than a single gunshot in Utah.

billt01

Legume said:

Please explain. Or are you disconnected from the stories of the victims and their families - mainly the capitol police.  J6 was far more violent than a single gunshot in Utah.

I don’t believe any capitol police were shot and killed on January 6th

Legume

170+ officers injured by a riotous mob. Many beaten with pipes and bats, hospitalized, some died of strokes, or later took their lives.

Legume

But I don't have the raw data 🤣

billt01

Legume said:

170+ officers injured by a riotous mob. Many beaten with pipes and bats, hospitalized, some died of strokes, or later took their lives.

Ok.

Legume

 Not even an original reply. Thanks Bill. 

billt01

Legume said:

 Not even an original reply. Thanks Bill. 

You are welcome.

billt01

Legume said:

But I don't have the raw data 🤣

And off cuff, I do have access to some RAW data from a retired U.S.Army Ranger who did a few tours and a naval special forces team member if you would like to meet up and speak to them on violent situations.

no manipulation from them sitting across a table from you.

RealDonaldTrump

Charlie was a great patriot. 

lkapigian

DoubleEgger said:

lkapigian said:

Pretty sure he is not far right 

Some early reporting is stating that the shooter was involved with the Nick Fuentes backed Groypers group. 

Never heard of either , had to look it up lol … I try and stay away from most of this stuff, I dislike negativity no matter where it’s from , I just want to be happy and many times that’s just being in my own little world 

Legume

You're comparing the experience of soldiers in the line of duty to criminal violence?

Always entertaining and the dumbest take I've read in a while. Notes of my dad can beat up your dad with a hint of imaginary friends.

You seem to suggest there is a qualifying threshold for people to be able to use the term violence? Do I have that right?