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Global Warming - Right & Wrong

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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,330
    Yup.
    There is one very interesting bit of US history to this.  Most avenues of insurance are covered by for-profit companies, but there is one exception:  flood insurance; it was, then wasn't, and is now again subsidized by the federal government.  
    One of the courses I took for my MS in IE was "Modern Topics in IE", talking about patents, liability laws, political influences, insurance, etc; things that aren't exactly engineering but that engineers have to think about.  One of the cases studies we looked at was a woman who had a home, on stilts, over the lower Mississippi River, who had had her home washed away six times, but she had always rebuilt, because she had flood insurance.  Was she paying her share of "risk"?  Hell no, at the time the feds (ie you and I) were.  The laws were later changed to eliminate the federal subsidies, but who owns beachfront/riverside/lakeside properties, and beautiful homes up in the mountains surrounded by (now very dry) trees?  The Wealthy, of course.  The folks the republican party work for (prove me wrong).  Since taking that course, federal subsidies for flood insurance have been restored.  
    We all need to watch for additional republican-sponsored fed subsidies for fire insurance in certain areas.  You can bet money on it.    
    "First method of estimating the intelligence of a ruler is to look at the men he has around him."
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,552
    Botch said:
    Yup.
    There is one very interesting bit of US history to this.  Most avenues of insurance are covered by for-profit companies, but there is one exception:  flood insurance; it was, then wasn't, and is now again subsidized by the federal government.  
    One of the courses I took for my MS in IE was "Modern Topics in IE", talking about patents, liability laws, political influences, insurance, etc; things that aren't exactly engineering but that engineers have to think about.  One of the cases studies we looked at was a woman who had a home, on stilts, over the lower Mississippi River, who had had her home washed away six times, but she had always rebuilt, because she had flood insurance.  Was she paying her share of "risk"?  Hell no, at the time the feds (ie you and I) were.  The laws were later changed to eliminate the federal subsidies, but who owns beachfront/riverside/lakeside properties, and beautiful homes up in the mountains surrounded by (now very dry) trees?  The Wealthy, of course.  The folks the republican party work for (prove me wrong).  Since taking that course, federal subsidies for flood insurance have been restored.  
    We all need to watch for additional republican-sponsored fed subsidies for fire insurance in certain areas.  You can bet money on it.    

    i bailed on the feds flood ins policies and bought a lloyds of london policy. dropped the cost from what would be maybe 12k now increasing at 25 percent a year down to a little over 700 bucks a year for pretty much the same payout.  10 years ago i was not even zoned in a flood plain i believe the rezoning up north was more to cover losses in the south more than anything
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Or to cover loses out west.
  • "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    It's been another hot summer, but it does seem to be cooling off in Alabama.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
  • dbCooper
    dbCooper Posts: 2,678
    In Texas it is apparently much more profitable to not mine Bitcoin than to mine it, with an assist from ERCOT.  $31M vs. $9M...
    “August was a landmark month for Riot in showcasing the benefits of our unique power strategy,” said Jason Les, CEO of Riot. “Riot achieved a new monthly record for Power and Demand Response Credits, totaling $31.7 million in August, which surpassed the total amount of all Credits received in 2022. Based on the average Bitcoin price in August, Power and Demand Response credits received equated to approximately 1,136 Bitcoin. The effects of these credits significantly lower Riot’s cost to mine Bitcoin and are a key element in making Riot one of the lowest cost producers of Bitcoin in the industry. Riot’s power strategy is a key competitive advantage, and when placed alongside our strong financial position and efficient miner fleet, put Riot in a leading position heading into the upcoming Bitcoin ‘halving’ event next year.”
    Somehow this does not seem to be a good arrangement for the ratepayers, the little ones at least.


    LBGE, LBGE-PTR, 22" Weber, Coleman 413G
    Great Plains, USA
  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    I'm not sure anyone is ever going to want to let Texas interconnect their grid.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
  • caliking
    caliking Posts: 19,779
    HeavyG said:

    Of course you would read the Epoch Times.


    For whatever reason, today I got a bunch of Epoch Times clips playing before YT food/cooking videos from a guy who would surely have something to say about Epoch Times. 

    What's really rich is that MAGAty folks will spend all day wailing and railing on peeps with any modicum of intelligence, education, logical insight... but, who do they turn to, to try and validate their "own research"? That's right - the interwebz "Princeton-MIT scientist". 

    #1 LBGE December 2012 • #2 SBGE February  2013 • #3 Mini May 2013
    A happy BGE family in Houston, TX.
  • "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,661
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,552
    lousubcap said:

    salt water is moving further inland/upstream as well hurting the drinking water supply. wonder with new orleans being below sea level if they have a backup supply
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    lousubcap said:

    salt water is moving further inland/upstream as well hurting the drinking water supply. wonder with new orleans being below sea level if they have a backup supply
    Nope.  

    They are installing huge RO systems…and shipping water from up river by barge.  There’s a pipeline getting built somewhere.  

    The theory is to dilute the salty water with fresh from those various sources to get the salt content below the max allowed (250 ppm).
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    I’m ready for it….
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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,552
    I’m ready for it….

    that works.....well if the system delivering the water is salt compatible.....good here with the dam, killed all the fish but the water is good.....
    fukahwee maine

    you can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
  • Canugghead
    Canugghead Posts: 13,630
    ^^^ rejuvenate the carbon filter cartridge with saved RO lump dust, better for the environment ;)
    canuckland
  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    ^^^ rejuvenate the carbon filter cartridge with saved RO lump dust, better for the environment ;)
    My new stage one is a crushed up bag of Rockwood…🤪
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    I love lamp..
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,661
    From the BBC-
    "September global temperatures hit record
    Graph showing increasing global temperatures for the month of September over the years
    Credit: BBC
    The world's September temperatures were the warmest on record, breaking the previous high by a huge margin, according to the EU climate service. Some scientists said they were shocked by the scale of the increase.
    Author

    What have we learned today?
    Data from the Copernicus Climate Change Service shows that September 2023 was 0.93C (1.67F) warmer than the average September temperature between 1991-2020, and 0.5C (0.9F) hotter than the previous record set in September 2020. This is the biggest jump from the long-term average in records dating back to 1940. It was worse in Europe, where temperatures beat the long term average by 2.51C (4.52F).
    What can explain this surge?
    On top of the long-term warming caused by humans, mainly from fossil fuel burning releasing planet-warming greenhouse gases, experts believe the El Niño weather event is playing a part in surging global temperatures. During El Niño events, warm water comes to the surface in the East Pacific, releasing additional heat into the atmosphere.
    How are scientists reacting?
    Some experts said they were "gobsmacked" by the data. One important measure for them is the difference between current temperatures and what they were before the widespread use of fossil fuels. Last month was around 1.75C (3.15F) above the temperatures during this so-called pre-industrial period. Scientists believe that this year as a whole will stay under the 1.5C limit agreed by political leaders, but 2023 is "on track" to become the warmest on record."

    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  

  • "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • I think we can safely file this one under “wrong”


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • lousubcap
    lousubcap Posts: 36,661
    Staggering level of devastation in Canada with those fires.  Don't need another round downstream. 
    Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood.  Life is too short for light/lite beer!  Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.  
  • "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Considering all of the fires out West(including hurricanes this year), hurricanes from Mexico to Maine, tornados and droughts in the midwest, floods every time the snow melts in the rust belt, I wonder just where the perfect remaining Eden is for Farmers? Are they going to put seaports in Oklahoma? Is the Mouse going to relocate to Kansas?
  • Considering all of the fires out West(including hurricanes this year), hurricanes from Mexico to Maine, tornados and droughts in the midwest, floods every time the snow melts in the rust belt, I wonder just where the perfect remaining Eden is for Farmers? Are they going to put seaports in Oklahoma? Is the Mouse going to relocate to Kansas?
    Your point is well made, there are plenty of natural disasters everywhere.  Nevertheless, I think insurance of any kind might soon be hard to find in the Gulf states.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Considering all of the fires out West(including hurricanes this year), hurricanes from Mexico to Maine, tornados and droughts in the midwest, floods every time the snow melts in the rust belt, I wonder just where the perfect remaining Eden is for Farmers? Are they going to put seaports in Oklahoma? Is the Mouse going to relocate to Kansas?
    Your point is well made, there are plenty of natural disasters everywhere.  Nevertheless, I think insurance of any kind might soon be hard to find in the Gulf states.
    You are also in the hurricane zone.
  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    I'm guessing insurance's love of risk mgmt & statistics keeps them focused on things like probability of significant property damage. I'm sure the income from NC outweighs the risk of a catastrophic payout.  When that balance flips, that's when they're pulling out.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
  • Considering all of the fires out West(including hurricanes this year), hurricanes from Mexico to Maine, tornados and droughts in the midwest, floods every time the snow melts in the rust belt, I wonder just where the perfect remaining Eden is for Farmers? Are they going to put seaports in Oklahoma? Is the Mouse going to relocate to Kansas?
    Your point is well made, there are plenty of natural disasters everywhere.  Nevertheless, I think insurance of any kind might soon be hard to find in the Gulf states.
    You are also in the hurricane zone.
    True but NC is a big state with only a relatively small portion in the target zone.  

    Plus, the state has decreed that “climate change” can’t be used as a justification for any coastal planning.  So… we’ve got that going for us.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Considering all of the fires out West(including hurricanes this year), hurricanes from Mexico to Maine, tornados and droughts in the midwest, floods every time the snow melts in the rust belt, I wonder just where the perfect remaining Eden is for Farmers? Are they going to put seaports in Oklahoma? Is the Mouse going to relocate to Kansas?
    Your point is well made, there are plenty of natural disasters everywhere.  Nevertheless, I think insurance of any kind might soon be hard to find in the Gulf states.
    You are also in the hurricane zone.
    True but NC is a big state with only a relatively small portion in the target zone.  

    Plus, the state has decreed that “climate change” can’t be used as a justification for any coastal planning.  So… we’ve got that going for us.
    Why didn't they just outlaw climate change, that's what I would do.
    THANK YOU FOR YOUR ATTENTION TO THIS MATTER
  • Legume said:
    Considering all of the fires out West(including hurricanes this year), hurricanes from Mexico to Maine, tornados and droughts in the midwest, floods every time the snow melts in the rust belt, I wonder just where the perfect remaining Eden is for Farmers? Are they going to put seaports in Oklahoma? Is the Mouse going to relocate to Kansas?
    Your point is well made, there are plenty of natural disasters everywhere.  Nevertheless, I think insurance of any kind might soon be hard to find in the Gulf states.
    You are also in the hurricane zone.
    True but NC is a big state with only a relatively small portion in the target zone.  

    Plus, the state has decreed that “climate change” can’t be used as a justification for any coastal planning.  So… we’ve got that going for us.
    Why didn't they just outlaw climate change, that's what I would do.
    I think if you’re going to outlaw it that means you have to believe it exists in the first place.  And, well…

    It is a bit surreal at times.  We visit the beach and rent homes right on the water.  They’re all on stilts and still sell for millions, even though it’s clear they’re going to be swept into the ocean sooner rather than later.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat