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Global Warming - Right & Wrong

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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,316
    Perhaps they will move to where the water is?
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  • dmchicago
    dmchicago Posts: 4,519
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    Perhaps they will move to where the water is?
    You a clown. Bro. 
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Buyer beware, but cities and counties need to be held accountable for green lighting new developments where critical infrastructure and resources do not exist.  Tax grab at best, so suspend any property tax as a start, maybe refund back to the purchase date as It should be on the cities and counties to hold the developers accountable for that kind of a contract.  Stupid.
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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,316
    dmchicago said:
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    Perhaps they will move to where the water is?
    You a clown. Bro. 
    Just replaying what I hear every hurricane season.
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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,330
    A self-accusing, but still hypocritical, take.  And a further reason I'm glad I have no offspring.
     
    https://youtu.be/63KXfwC9BdU
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665

    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

    "The truth is, these are not very bright guys, and things got out of hand." - Deep Throat
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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,316
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nuclear-reactor-us-started-last-120000409.html
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nuclear-reactor-us-started-last-120000409.html
    I would not invest in that space, for the simple reason that it’s a loser on the cost per MWh compared to renewables like solar and wind.  

    But then… I have never been in sales.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike

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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,330
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nuclear-reactor-us-started-last-120000409.html
    I would not invest in that space, for the simple reason that it’s a loser on the cost per MWh compared to renewables like solar and wind.  

    But then… I have never been in sales.
    I was understanding that nuclear was a better option for the eastern US (with larger cooling-water sources/rivers) while solar/wind is better for the western states, with more sunshine/wind (and rapidly-disappearing water).  Not trying to argue, just asking the question.  
    I've also read about a huge public library, 100% solar-powered (off the grid), in Seattle.  They had to make some adjustments (like one large refrigerator per floor, rather than a dorm-size box for each cubicle) but that they can power a building like that, solely on solar (har), in Seattle (rain, rain, go away), says something.  
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    Botch said:
    JohnInCarolina said:
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    https://www.yahoo.com/finance/news/nuclear-reactor-us-started-last-120000409.html
    I would not invest in that space, for the simple reason that it’s a loser on the cost per MWh compared to renewables like solar and wind.  

    But then… I have never been in sales.
    I was understanding that nuclear was a better option for the eastern US (with larger cooling-water sources/rivers) while solar/wind is better for the western states, with more sunshine/wind (and rapidly-disappearing water).  Not trying to argue, just asking the question.  

    I really don’t have any issue with nuclear power, I think the risks associated with it have been vastly overstated. But at the moment, for a number of reasons, it’s just not cost efficient. 

    I’m sure regional differences do contribute to the reliability of various power sources, but that’s different from the LCOE.  See this report:

    https://www.lazard.com/media/451881/lazards-levelized-cost-of-energy-version-150-vf.pdf

    I’m not unbiased but I think enhanced geothermal systems are going to end up being an important piece of the puzzle going forward.  It’s an interesting, emerging technology, and it’s far less sensitive to the weather. 
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  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    edited March 2023
    I knew what geothermal systems are but had no idea what was meant by enhanced geothermal systems. Googled it. Neat! However, just from the things I was reading on the DOE geothermal site I didn't get the sense that that is something that is likely to be a thing just anywhere in the country. Seemed rather dependent on the local geology. Couldn't find a map showing the possibilities for areas of the US.

    Some years ago I recall reading about Toshiba     developing "neighborhood nuke plants" that are very small but would provide enough power for a few hundred homes for a few decades before they would need to be refueled. The design was such that they could not meltdown or be of any use to terrorists trying to obtain nuclear fuel and the cost of generating power was supposedly about half the national average. Haven't heard anything about them in recent years so I guess the idea didn't catch on.


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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    HeavyG said:
    I knew what geothermal systems are but had no idea what was meant by enhanced geothermal systems. Googled it. Neat! However, just from the things I was reading on the DOE geothermal site I didn't get the sense that that is something that is likely to be a thing just anywhere in the country. Seemed rather dependent on the local geology. Couldn't find a map showing the possibilities for areas of the US.

    Some years ago I recall reading about Toshiba developing "neighborhood nuke plants" that are very small but would provide enough power for a few hundred homes for a few decades before they would need to be refueled. The design was such that they could not meltdown or be of any use to terrorists trying to obtain nuclear fuel and the cost of generating power was supposedly about half the national average. Haven't heard anything about them in recent years so I guess the idea didn't catch on.


    Hot dry rock exists almost everywhere in the US, it’s just a matter of how far down it is.  The estimates I’ve seen for how much power could be extracted from EGS is more than sufficient to power the entire country.  But this is a very new technology, so take it with a grain of salt.  It is actively being researched by the DOE right now.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    ...and if, for some reason we can't find any hot rock, we'll just dig right down under China and steal heat from their "enhanced" geothermal wells.
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    WildmanWilson said:
    JohnInCarolina said:


    The thread is interesting because they keep swatting back climate denialists.
    So the chart shows around one degree change since the 1880s. OK, so? Can you tell me this could not just be natural? Since we are still recovering from the last ice age and all.

    Also, you do know all this data was manipulated and "adjusted" right? Its computer models and they are known to have issues with the data. The only way to knowingly be accurate would to use the same instruments, at the same locations, during this entire time period. This data is what the entire global warming or climate change is based on. If its wrong then you have nothing. 

    Then tell me what the average temp should be.

    You people never get tired of panicking do you. You seem to always need a crisis to  worry about. We see you took the blue pill and living well in your Matrix.
    Yes, you are right. 
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    There’s some irony I suppose in trusting scientists to tell you the last ice age ended 25,000 years ago but then not trust those same people when it comes to anthropogenic global warming.

    I mean, how do they know there was an ice age 100,000 years ago when thermometers didn’t exist?!?!?  Crazy!
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    “You people….”   Bwaaaahahahahahaaaaa
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    https://billmckibben.substack.com/p/truly-uncharted-territory
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    Saw this today, lol


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  • Botch
    Botch Posts: 17,330
    JohnInCarolina said:
    https://billmckibben.substack.com/p/truly-uncharted-territory
    Yikes.  
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    file this one under wrong


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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,316
    Well technically the heat comes from nuclear fusion on a massive scale....
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  • Legume
    Legume Posts: 15,936
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    Well technically the heat comes from nuclear fusion on a massive scale....
    So, you're saying that was the point he was making?
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    If he’s elected again, he will replace the EPA with the DOE….brilliant!!
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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    Well technically the heat comes from nuclear fusion on a massive scale....
    The global climate implication of a nuclear war is a nuclear winter, not warming.  Trump is just confused af.
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  • Gulfcoastguy
    Gulfcoastguy Posts: 7,316
    Sarcasm is an unappreciated thing nowadays.
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  • Kayak
    Kayak Posts: 700
    And it's fission.

    Bob

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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,553
    fission/ fusion ;) atleast thats what i remember which isnt much
    fukahwee maine

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  • fishlessman
    fishlessman Posts: 34,553
    edited April 2023
    maybe its just tv, simply disconnect the the fission end of the nuke to disable the thermonuclear bomb....


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  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 34,665
    Gulfcoastguy said:
    Sarcasm is an unappreciated thing nowadays.
    Haha fair enough.  Sometimes it’s just hard to tell on here man.  We need a sarcasm font.
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  • nolaegghead
    nolaegghead Posts: 42,109
    A hydrogen bomb uses a fission bomb to set off a fusion reaction, the latter causing the scale of the entirety of energy released.
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