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Global Warming - Right & Wrong
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I would not invest in that space, for the simple reason that it’s a loser on the cost per MWh compared to renewables like solar and wind.Gulfcoastguy said:
But then… I have never been in sales."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
I was understanding that nuclear was a better option for the eastern US (with larger cooling-water sources/rivers) while solar/wind is better for the western states, with more sunshine/wind (and rapidly-disappearing water). Not trying to argue, just asking the question.JohnInCarolina said:
I would not invest in that space, for the simple reason that it’s a loser on the cost per MWh compared to renewables like solar and wind.Gulfcoastguy said:
But then… I have never been in sales.
I've also read about a huge public library, 100% solar-powered (off the grid), in Seattle. They had to make some adjustments (like one large refrigerator per floor, rather than a dorm-size box for each cubicle) but that they can power a building like that, solely on solar (har), in Seattle (rain, rain, go away), says something.___________"When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set."
- Lin Yutang
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I really don’t have any issue with nuclear power, I think the risks associated with it have been vastly overstated. But at the moment, for a number of reasons, it’s just not cost efficient.Botch said:
I was understanding that nuclear was a better option for the eastern US (with larger cooling-water sources/rivers) while solar/wind is better for the western states, with more sunshine/wind (and rapidly-disappearing water). Not trying to argue, just asking the question.JohnInCarolina said:
I would not invest in that space, for the simple reason that it’s a loser on the cost per MWh compared to renewables like solar and wind.Gulfcoastguy said:
But then… I have never been in sales.
I’m sure regional differences do contribute to the reliability of various power sources, but that’s different from the LCOE. See this report:
https://www.lazard.com/media/451881/lazards-levelized-cost-of-energy-version-150-vf.pdf
I’m not unbiased but I think enhanced geothermal systems are going to end up being an important piece of the puzzle going forward. It’s an interesting, emerging technology, and it’s far less sensitive to the weather.
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I knew what geothermal systems are but had no idea what was meant by enhanced geothermal systems. Googled it. Neat! However, just from the things I was reading on the DOE geothermal site I didn't get the sense that that is something that is likely to be a thing just anywhere in the country. Seemed rather dependent on the local geology. Couldn't find a map showing the possibilities for areas of the US.
Some years ago I recall reading about Toshiba developing "neighborhood nuke plants" that are very small but would provide enough power for a few hundred homes for a few decades before they would need to be refueled. The design was such that they could not meltdown or be of any use to terrorists trying to obtain nuclear fuel and the cost of generating power was supposedly about half the national average. Haven't heard anything about them in recent years so I guess the idea didn't catch on.
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Hot dry rock exists almost everywhere in the US, it’s just a matter of how far down it is. The estimates I’ve seen for how much power could be extracted from EGS is more than sufficient to power the entire country. But this is a very new technology, so take it with a grain of salt. It is actively being researched by the DOE right now.HeavyG said:I knew what geothermal systems are but had no idea what was meant by enhanced geothermal systems. Googled it. Neat! However, just from the things I was reading on the DOE geothermal site I didn't get the sense that that is something that is likely to be a thing just anywhere in the country. Seemed rather dependent on the local geology. Couldn't find a map showing the possibilities for areas of the US.
Some years ago I recall reading about Toshiba developing "neighborhood nuke plants" that are very small but would provide enough power for a few hundred homes for a few decades before they would need to be refueled. The design was such that they could not meltdown or be of any use to terrorists trying to obtain nuclear fuel and the cost of generating power was supposedly about half the national average. Haven't heard anything about them in recent years so I guess the idea didn't catch on."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
...and if, for some reason we can't find any hot rock, we'll just dig right down under China and steal heat from their "enhanced" geothermal wells.
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So the chart shows around one degree change since the 1880s. OK, so? Can you tell me this could not just be natural? Since we are still recovering from the last ice age and all.JohnInCarolina said:
The thread is interesting because they keep swatting back climate denialists.
Also, you do know all this data was manipulated and "adjusted" right? Its computer models and they are known to have issues with the data. The only way to knowingly be accurate would to use the same instruments, at the same locations, during this entire time period. This data is what the entire global warming or climate change is based on. If its wrong then you have nothing.
Then tell me what the average temp should be.
You people never get tired of panicking do you. You seem to always need a crisis to worry about. We see you took the blue pill and living well in your Matrix. -
Yes, you are right.WildmanWilson said:
So the chart shows around one degree change since the 1880s. OK, so? Can you tell me this could not just be natural? Since we are still recovering from the last ice age and all.JohnInCarolina said:
The thread is interesting because they keep swatting back climate denialists.
Also, you do know all this data was manipulated and "adjusted" right? Its computer models and they are known to have issues with the data. The only way to knowingly be accurate would to use the same instruments, at the same locations, during this entire time period. This data is what the entire global warming or climate change is based on. If its wrong then you have nothing.
Then tell me what the average temp should be.
You people never get tired of panicking do you. You seem to always need a crisis to worry about. We see you took the blue pill and living well in your Matrix."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
There’s some irony I suppose in trusting scientists to tell you the last ice age ended 25,000 years ago but then not trust those same people when it comes to anthropogenic global warming.
I mean, how do they know there was an ice age 100,000 years ago when thermometers didn’t exist?!?!? Crazy!"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
“You people….” Bwaaaahahahahahaaaaa______________________________________________I love lamp..
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"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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Saw this today, lol
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"When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set."
- Lin Yutang
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"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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Well technically the heat comes from nuclear fusion on a massive scale....
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So, you're saying that was the point he was making?Gulfcoastguy said:Well technically the heat comes from nuclear fusion on a massive scale....Love you bro! -
If he’s elected again, he will replace the EPA with the DOE….brilliant!!______________________________________________I love lamp..
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The global climate implication of a nuclear war is a nuclear winter, not warming. Trump is just confused af.Gulfcoastguy said:Well technically the heat comes from nuclear fusion on a massive scale...."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Sarcasm is an unappreciated thing nowadays.
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And it's fission.
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New Cumberland, PA
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fission/ fusion
atleast thats what i remember which isnt much
fukahwee maineyou can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it -
maybe its just tv, simply disconnect the the fission end of the nuke to disable the thermonuclear bomb....
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Haha fair enough. Sometimes it’s just hard to tell on here man. We need a sarcasm font.Gulfcoastguy said:Sarcasm is an unappreciated thing nowadays."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
A hydrogen bomb uses a fission bomb to set off a fusion reaction, the latter causing the scale of the entirety of energy released.______________________________________________I love lamp..
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sure, sure"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
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Their equal.nolaegghead said:
WTF do people see in this fool?___________"When small men begin to cast big shadows, it means that the sun is about to set."
- Lin Yutang
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Nah that’s not it. They see someone who pisses off people they don’t like, and that’s more than enough.Botch said:
Their equal.nolaegghead said:
WTF do people see in this fool?"I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike -
Most don't but some do. Funny as hell watching it😝JohnInCarolina said:
Nah that’s not it. They see someone who pisses off people they don’t like, and that’s more than enough.Botch said:
Their equal.nolaegghead said:
WTF do people see in this fool?fukahwee maineyou can lead a fish to water but you can not make him drink it
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