Pandemic updates 2.0

kl8ton said:

kl8ton said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Stormbringer said:

JohnInCarolina said:

https://www.newsweek.com/mother-children-drink-urine-false-covid-treatment-whatsapp-1570510

Paging @Eoin and @CPFC1905 and @Stormbringer on this one.  I don’t *think* we have any Americans actively drinking urine to ward off covid just yet, but… give us time.

Well then …  looks like it’s not just us @j@JohnInCarolina 😂

https://twitter.com/joshmalina/status/1480636848850423810?s=25

Oh I know, that's the same guy I mentioned, just above.  

The video is kind of amazing, in the unintentional-comedy / cringe sort of way.  Here it is for anyone who's missed it:

http://twitter.com/GunReformRyan/status/1480576045346705409?s=20

I can't quite tell if he said Pee Reviewed or Peer Reviewed research.

What's to dislike!?  I'm a dad! I'm entitled to tell jokes whether they hit the mark or not.   Since we can't have an agree button, we certainly will not see a groan button. 

Haha, hit the mark as in not missing the pee collection cup?

Today's SC decision is a victory for the very people it will help kill.

Actually what it does is put the mandate back on the states, as designed below with regard to companies, and more importantly the 10th amendment to the US Constitution.  However the court allowed a more modest mandate requiring health care workers at facilities receiving federal money to be vaccinated.

The vote in the employer mandate case was 6 to 3, with the liberal justices in dissent. The vote in the health care case was 5 to 4, with Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh joining the liberal justices to form a majority.

The 10th Amendment

The debate over states’ rights started with the writing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. During the Constitutional Convention, the Federalists, led by John Adams, argued for a powerful federal government, while the Anti-federalists, led by Patrick Henry, opposed the Constitution unless it contained a set of amendments specifically listing and ensuring certain rights of the people and the states. Fearing that the states would fail to ratify the Constitution without it, the Federalists agreed to include the Bill of Rights.

In establishing American government’s power-sharing system of federalism, the Bill of Rights' 10th Amendment holds that all rights and powers not specifically reserved to Congress by Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution or to be shared concurrently by the federal and state governments are reserved by either the states or by the people.

In order to prevent the states from claiming too much power, the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause 2) holds that all laws enacted by the state governments must comply with the Constitution, and that whenever a law enacted by a state conflicts with a federal law, the federal law must be applied.

Yes….a very bad week for Biden.  His big speech will become his demise!  Really don’t think he has much time left as president.  Nor his VP.  Sad time for America!

https://twitter.com/FullContactMTWF/status/1481638689415462916?s=20

lousubcap said:

Actually what it does is put the mandate back on the states, as designed below with regard to companies, and more importantly the 10th amendment to the US Constitution.  However the court allowed a more modest mandate requiring health care workers at facilities receiving federal money to be vaccinated.

The vote in the employer mandate case was 6 to 3, with the liberal justices in dissent. The vote in the health care case was 5 to 4, with Chief Justice John G. Roberts Jr. and Justice Brett M. Kavanaugh joining the liberal justices to form a majority.

The 10th Amendment

The debate over states’ rights started with the writing of the Constitution and Bill of Rights. During the Constitutional Convention, the Federalists, led by John Adams, argued for a powerful federal government, while the Anti-federalists, led by Patrick Henry, opposed the Constitution unless it contained a set of amendments specifically listing and ensuring certain rights of the people and the states. Fearing that the states would fail to ratify the Constitution without it, the Federalists agreed to include the Bill of Rights.

In establishing American government’s power-sharing system of federalism, the Bill of Rights' 10th Amendment holds that all rights and powers not specifically reserved to Congress by Article I, Section 8, of the Constitution or to be shared concurrently by the federal and state governments are reserved by either the states or by the people.

In order to prevent the states from claiming too much power, the Constitution’s Supremacy Clause (Article VI, Clause 2) holds that all laws enacted by the state governments must comply with the Constitution, and that whenever a law enacted by a state conflicts with a federal law, the federal law must be applied.

We can debate all day long about the boundary line.  

Cap,

Hopefully the states can get away with as much mandating as seems possible, although in our case, the conservative/republican state legislature has limited the power of our governor after the initial shock wave of Covid response.

The Tenth Amendment came along four years after the constitution was written, in the hopes it would help sell the states. Article 1 section 8 of the constitution contains what are known as the "General Welfare" and the "Elastic Clause". The gist of those is to give our federal government the power to decide what is necessary and proper, and write any laws to effect that. The states being given "any powers not delegated to the US" is pretty much worthless in light of that. This was as true in 1787 as it is in 2022.

Unfortunately, the tenth amendment is about as toothless as the other nine of the Bill of Rights.

littlerascal56 said:

The Biden administration had a very bad week. They truly want to keep us scared of the pandemic, and under their control. They lose control and power when they can’t lockdown schools & businesses. On the other hand. America had a very good week!  Lets go Brandon. The Dem’s are not looking forward to the mid-term elections!  Lots of early retirements.
Hillary is really getting excited now!

You're a blithering idiot, and it doesn't take a Democrat to recognize it.

Kayak said:

littlerascal56 said:

The Biden administration had a very bad week. They truly want to keep us scared of the pandemic, and under their control. They lose control and power when they can’t lockdown schools & businesses. On the other hand. America had a very good week!  Lets go Brandon. The Dem’s are not looking forward to the mid-term elections!  Lots of early retirements.
Hillary is really getting excited now!

You're a blithering idiot, and it doesn't take a Democrat to recognize it.

Wow…guess I hit a nerve!  Easy to see you are a Trump hater (Dem) that regrets voting for Biden 😂!

Apparently Serbia is worse than Russia, I guess they make Djokovit.

Monday morning quarterbacking some 19+ months later can yield different opinions, no question.  But until you have been under the gun to make the decision at the time with the info you have... 
Edit: In other words, you are responsible, accountable and you know you own it.  You do the best you can at the time.  The quarterbackers have never been there.  

littlerascal56 said:

lousubcap said:

Monday morning quarterbacking some 19+ months later can yield different opinions, no question.  But until you have been under the gun to make the decision at the time with the info you have... 
Edit: In other words, you are responsible, accountable and you know you own it.  You do the best you can at the time.  The quarterbackers have never been there.  

Frank-agree 100%.  I managed my crews and 5 departments for 41 years…and made huge (and expensive) decisions daily.  Bottom line is I was responsible for all that while “under my watch”!  Biden has the same responsibility. Sad.

It’s funny because you wrote “agree 100%” when the response ran counter to what you’d just posted.  A LittleRascal56, divided against itself, cannot stand.

littlerascal56 said:

John- you’re fuc-ked up! Are you smoking dope? You make no sense whatsoever.  Not sure if you understand what “accountability” means in the real world, as you don’t deal with that in the “education” field.  I lived in a corporate environment, and the board of directors would not put up with the $hit that universities deem acceptable.  Grow some balls and be accountable. 

And don’t forget to comment on your @Terpderpitude troll account!

Is this the “no holes barred” approach to forum commenting?

@nolaegghead - she's  definitely "done" with covid...   I wish this was the first example of this that I've seen.

A sad way to end it all.

You know it's real but when you read a personal story, it hits home. 
Condolences.