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Olympics in Korrea
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“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk
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Given the current funding environment, I am shocked - SHOCKED - that the science of curling has not been made a priority.JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah I was going to comment on Ron's post. I haven't seen the WSJ piece but I'd kind of be surprised if scientists genuinely have "no idea" what's going on here. I'm sure there are some reasonable hypotheses but folks just haven't had the time, money, or interest in really investigating them.Ozzie_Isaac said:
@JohnInCarolina I have your next research project.YukonRon said:WSJ had an interesting article on curling. It basically says the science community has no idea why the rock behaves as it does on ice, with the distance and trajectory applied by the thrower, or why it goes in the direction it does with the type of spin placed upon it, and basically, the folks with the brooms, should have zero impact on the stone distance or direction.
Several papers have been written, over time, each refuting claims from previous assertions.
It has to be PEDS.
They also mentioned, those with the brooms are the ones that require the most stamina and do work out to keep in shape. Most of the throwers do not.
One person interviewed by another sports magazine, was asked what he did to prepare for the events, his answer was "Scotch and cigarettes."
Curling, obviously, may be a future endeavor for me as a participant, should this indeed be true.
Getting funding to study the question in detail probably isn't easy. I'm not sure there's a real science question or application that would motivate the need for the research. Probably more than anything else that's why there are still questions that remain. It's not exactly a high priority item.
Forget gravity waves, Fermat's Last Theorem, bosons, quarks, and all that rubbish. We need to figure out what makes curling happen. Now.#1 LBGE December 2012 • #2 SBGE February 2013 • #3 Mini May 2013A happy BGE family in Houston, TX. -
Could not agree more. The rest of that psuedoscience is a waste of time and is of absolutely no use.caliking said:
Given the current funding environment, I am shocked - SHOCKED - that the science of curling has not been made a priority.JohnInCarolina said:
Yeah I was going to comment on Ron's post. I haven't seen the WSJ piece but I'd kind of be surprised if scientists genuinely have "no idea" what's going on here. I'm sure there are some reasonable hypotheses but folks just haven't had the time, money, or interest in really investigating them.Ozzie_Isaac said:
@JohnInCarolina I have your next research project.YukonRon said:WSJ had an interesting article on curling. It basically says the science community has no idea why the rock behaves as it does on ice, with the distance and trajectory applied by the thrower, or why it goes in the direction it does with the type of spin placed upon it, and basically, the folks with the brooms, should have zero impact on the stone distance or direction.
Several papers have been written, over time, each refuting claims from previous assertions.
It has to be PEDS.
They also mentioned, those with the brooms are the ones that require the most stamina and do work out to keep in shape. Most of the throwers do not.
One person interviewed by another sports magazine, was asked what he did to prepare for the events, his answer was "Scotch and cigarettes."
Curling, obviously, may be a future endeavor for me as a participant, should this indeed be true.
Getting funding to study the question in detail probably isn't easy. I'm not sure there's a real science question or application that would motivate the need for the research. Probably more than anything else that's why there are still questions that remain. It's not exactly a high priority item.
Forget gravity waves, Fermat's Last Theorem, bosons, quarks, and all that rubbish. We need to figure out what makes curling happen. Now.
Curling gold medals are a point of national pride!I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.
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Beer and curling go together like beer and horse shoes go together imagine how well they would have done if they had a pitcher of High life on each end waiting for them.XL & waiting for my Mini Max Bloomington MN.
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It was Thursdays edition of The WSJ. I read that after reading why GE stock was tanking.
I am sure the curling article had some fluff, but the conclusion by the scientists, which have chosen to share their expertise, is that it makes no sense.
@JohnInCarolina is correct, there has been opinions from the science community.
Several hypothesis have been offered in papers written, each one refuting the previous,
thoughts.
The last paper written, if I recall correctly, was the thousands of micro scratches on both the ice surface and the rock, prior to the broomers, may be providing the friction that counters the spin or applied trajectory of the stone.
It is the rotation phenomenon of the stone, given at release, which provides an opposite curl or curve effect, seemingly in opposition to the direction of the spin, is what has those in the science community, that care enough to form an opinion, the reason to scratch their head and shrug.
They also said with a faster spin upon release, the straighter the line, which they noted but had no answer for as well.
I still think it has a lot to do with alcohol.
I was training for a gold medal myself today.
"Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber
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So, did anyone take a knee?BrandonQuad Cities
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Friction is actually a very challenging scientific problem. There is a basic model of Coulombic friction that works fairly well for engineering applications, but which everyone knows is vastly oversimplified. Friction is a true multi-scale problem.YukonRon said:It was Thursdays edition of The WSJ. I read that after reading why GE stock was tanking.
I am sure the curling article had some fluff, but the conclusion by the scientists, which have chosen to share their expertise, is that it makes no sense.
@JohnInCarolina is correct, there has been opinions from the science community.
Several hypothesis have been offered in papers written, each one refuting the previous,
thoughts.
The last paper written, if I recall correctly, was the thousands of micro scratches on both the ice surface and the rock, prior to the broomers, may be providing the friction that counters the spin or applied trajectory of the stone.
It is the rotation phenomenon of the stone, given at release, which provides an opposite curl or curve effect, seemingly in opposition to the direction of the spin, is what has those in the science community, that care enough to form an opinion, the reason to scratch their head and shrug.
They also said with a faster spin upon release, the straighter the line, which they noted but had no answer for as well.
I still think it has a lot to do with alcohol.
I was training for a gold medal myself today."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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Not since Tonya Harding.Focker said:So, did anyone take a knee?"Dumplings are just noodles that have already eaten" - Jon Kung
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Concur @JohnInCarolina. Having to deal with UHD thin film, funtional applications, friction is one of the most time consuming issues one has to overcome.
Static makes experimenting with hydrocarbon compounds, in various physical states, very interesting at times.
Anyway, I was having a glass of wine yesterday filling a small sink hole with some rocks. I think I could at least get a bronze, with the way I was throwing these bad boys in.
Thinking China in 2022."Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber
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I have always disliked the friction models we use for engineering. They work for most instances, but the simplifications they use (mosly removing contact area) have always been counterintuitive to me. When the area gets to small or to large they fall apart.JohnInCarolina said:
Friction is actually a very challenging scientific problem. There is a basic model of Coulombic friction that works fairly well for engineering applications, but which everyone knows is vastly oversimplified. Friction is a true multi-scale problem.YukonRon said:It was Thursdays edition of The WSJ. I read that after reading why GE stock was tanking.
I am sure the curling article had some fluff, but the conclusion by the scientists, which have chosen to share their expertise, is that it makes no sense.
@JohnInCarolina is correct, there has been opinions from the science community.
Several hypothesis have been offered in papers written, each one refuting the previous,
thoughts.
The last paper written, if I recall correctly, was the thousands of micro scratches on both the ice surface and the rock, prior to the broomers, may be providing the friction that counters the spin or applied trajectory of the stone.
It is the rotation phenomenon of the stone, given at release, which provides an opposite curl or curve effect, seemingly in opposition to the direction of the spin, is what has those in the science community, that care enough to form an opinion, the reason to scratch their head and shrug.
They also said with a faster spin upon release, the straighter the line, which they noted but had no answer for as well.
I still think it has a lot to do with alcohol.
I was training for a gold medal myself today.I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.
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Not sure if you're joking but you do realise these are the winter Olympics?FlyOverCountry said:Anyone else notice there are a lot of games with ice or snow this year? When do the real sports start? -
@FlyOverCountry is a pseudonym for another member. Have some idea who, but will leave the outing to Wikileaks. It is so they can troll without risking their real handle.TheToast said:
Not sure if you're joking but you do realise these are the winter Olympics?FlyOverCountry said:Anyone else notice there are a lot of games with ice or snow this year? When do the real sports start?I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.
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It takes a lot of work to play the "I know nothing game" and pull it off-unlike presented here.Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period. CHEETO (aka Agent Orange) makes Nixon look like a saint.
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I’m guessing it’s a pretty fair representation of his q.
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It’s obviously Nola.Ozzie_Isaac said:
@FlyOverCountry is a pseudonym for another member. Have some idea who, but will leave the outing to Wikileaks. It is so they can troll without risking their real handle.TheToast said:
Not sure if you're joking but you do realise these are the winter Olympics?FlyOverCountry said:Anyone else notice there are a lot of games with ice or snow this year? When do the real sports start? -
It's not me. Seems to be coming from 109.99.110.34______________________________________________I love lamp..
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“Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk
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For the last time I am not a **** troll. I’m jus new.
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The buzzer?nolaegghead said:It's not me. Seems to be coming from 109.99.110.34Slumming it in Aiken, SC. -
Seems to have a very “Ken M” vibe to him.nolaegghead said:It's not me. Seems to be coming from 109.99.110.34Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX -
Should be about time for the closing ceremonies.Ellijay GA with a Medium & MiniMax
Well, I married me a wife, she's been trouble all my life,
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Um, maybe a few days ago?northGAcock said:Should be about time for the closing ceremonies.Sandy Springs & Dawsonville Ga -
How’d we do on the medal count? Did we win the olympics?bgebrent said:
Um, maybe a few days ago?northGAcock said:Should be about time for the closing ceremonies.Ellijay GA with a Medium & MiniMax
Well, I married me a wife, she's been trouble all my life,
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I don think there over I didn’t see any swimming yet. Where’s that Phelps kid?
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We always win. No need for a metal count. We were even allowed to compete under our own flag, unlike those pesky ruskies.northGAcock said:
How’d we do on the medal count? Did we win the olympics?bgebrent said:
Um, maybe a few days ago?northGAcock said:Should be about time for the closing ceremonies.I would rather light a candle than curse your darkness.
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That whole OAR thing was a jokeOzzie_Isaac said:
We always win. No need for a metal count. We were even allowed to compete under our own flag, unlike those pesky ruskies.northGAcock said:
How’d we do on the medal count? Did we win the olympics?bgebrent said:
Um, maybe a few days ago?northGAcock said:Should be about time for the closing ceremonies.
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