Botch said:

YukonRon said:

The second amendment, written by James Madison, the primary author and chief advocate for the bill of rights, did not intend for it to be abused by the insane to kill our own people. It was for something else entirely. Yet the interpretation, does just that. I am sure James Madison would give his blessing for a modification to his amendment to protect Americans.

Ron, I don't think the 2nd Amendment needs any modification; rather, we need to quit ignoring the phrase "well-regulated", and start taking the same caution, as a nation, as we do with driver's licenses, explosives, strong pesticides, etc.  

Need a background check and a license to buy fertilizer, don't even need an ID to vote.

Toxarch said:

nolaegghead said:

Maybe because there were 31 confirmed cases of voter impersonation between 2000 and 2014 and 186 people killed by fertilizer by Timothy McVeigh. 

So you are saying 31 confirmed cases of voter fraud. That's 30 times more. Why aren't you pushing for voter identification?
Which party NOW caters to illegal immigrants and which party says you can't require ID for voting? Oh wait, that's the same group. The same group that used to want all illegal immigrants deported and a wall built. But now they want to use them for their votes so they flip flopped their stance in the last decade.
How many cases of vehicular manslaughter were there last year? Where is the push for vehicle regulation and background checks?

Simmer down now, Slim.  The push for voter ID laws is from people that want to disenfranchise the opposition.  Usually people in society oil the squeaky wheel but this is a solution in search of a problem.  So much time and effort has proven the "ID requirement" is, on the surface, a solution to voter impersonation, not registration, but in reality a way to disenfranchise a blocks of voter that have the right to vote, but for the opposition. Same tactics used in banana republics.  Win at all costs, spin, etc.  What happened to the millions of Trump's claimed "illegal" voters?  Read up on that.

Democrats aren't pro-illegal immigration.  You're drinking the propaganda, and it's working on you and (I urge you to read my rawstory article, but that probably won't happen) a certain demographic that are predisposed to lap up propaganda, that which is easily disproved with simple research, in a confirmation-bias orgy.  VPN, BTW, doesn't stop cookies.  But even if it did, you'll search for confirmation and you know where it lies.

Our country is built on immigrants.  You don't see a power monopoly by American Indians.  DACA (AKA "dreamers) are kids dragged here, grew up, know no other culture or country, contribute to society.  All except the cruelest American agree they should be given citizenship or a viable path to it.

No one wants illegal immigration.  Statistics on immigration show how it's fallen dramatically over the past decade as the (Primarily) Mexican economy is doing better, and hostility towards immigrants has increased, thanks to people like you who lack the ability of empathy for other humans.

The entire "wall" concept as a metaphor for effectiveness is completely lost as apparently Trump himself is doubling down on the literalness of the "beautiful wall" rather than taking a more "security effectiveness" tact of utilizing technology and policy.

I could write a book about this, but you're bloated on hate flavored Kool-Aid.

Cheers, Buddy.

Don't be afraid.

nolaegghead said:

Toxarch said:

nolaegghead said:

Maybe because there were 31 confirmed cases of voter impersonation between 2000 and 2014 and 186 people killed by fertilizer by Timothy McVeigh. 

So you are saying 31 confirmed cases of voter fraud. That's 30 times more. Why aren't you pushing for voter identification?
Which party NOW caters to illegal immigrants and which party says you can't require ID for voting? Oh wait, that's the same group. The same group that used to want all illegal immigrants deported and a wall built. But now they want to use them for their votes so they flip flopped their stance in the last decade.
How many cases of vehicular manslaughter were there last year? Where is the push for vehicle regulation and background checks?

Simmer down now, Slim.  The push for voter ID laws is from people that want to disenfranchise the opposition.  Usually people in society oil the squeaky wheel but this is a solution in search of a problem.  So much time and effort has proven the "ID requirement" is, on the surface, a solution to voter impersonation, not registration, but in reality a way to disenfranchise a blocks of voter that have the right to vote, but for the opposition. Same tactics used in banana republics.  Win at all costs, spin, etc.  What happened to the millions of Trump's claimed "illegal" voters?  Read up on that.

Democrats aren't pro-illegal immigration.  You're drinking the propaganda, and it's working on you and (I urge you to read my rawstory article, but that probably won't happen) a certain demographic that are predisposed to lap up propaganda, that which is easily disproved with simple research, in a confirmation-bias orgy.  VPN, BTW, doesn't stop cookies.  But even if it did, you'll search for confirmation and you know where it lies.

Our country is built on immigrants.  You don't see a power monopoly by American Indians.  DACA (AKA "dreamers) are kids dragged here, grew up, know no other culture or country, contribute to society.  All except the cruelest American agree they should be given citizenship or a viable path to it.

No one wants illegal immigration.  Statistics on immigration show how it's fallen dramatically over the past decade as the (Primarily) Mexican economy is doing better, and hostility towards immigrants has increased, thanks to people like you who lack the ability of empathy for other humans.

The entire "wall" concept as a metaphor for effectiveness is completely lost as apparently Trump himself is doubling down on the literalness of the "beautiful wall" rather than taking a more "security effectiveness" tact of utilizing technology and policy.

I could write a book about this, but you're bloated on hate flavored Kool-Aid.

Cheers, Buddy.

You love to change the subject. Why are you bringing up Trump's claims on illegal voters. I could not care less about what Trump said. He's an idiot and contrary to what you think, I didn't vote for him. I'm talking about the 31 confirmed cases of voter fraud that you brought up.

You must be confused from all the Liberal flip-flopping kool-aide you've been drinking. Democrats loved illegal immigrants when it was time to vote. Yes, the illegal ones. Feel free to break out your google-fu and look it up. Plenty of videos where Hillary (and Obama) want a wall, more border security, and mass deportation and then they flip a few years later wanting paths to citizenship and no wall. 

I know a proxy (VPN does not matter) does not block cookies. But clearing my cookies every day does.

I know you love to talk about being raised as a Southern White Catholic, but don't preach to me about immigrants as though you know me. Both of my parents are LEGAL immigrants. But you seem to think I'm some kind of inbred, gun toting, MAGA, pro-white American because that fits your definition of someone against immigration. Sorry, not inbred, don't like Trump, not white, and don't hate immigrants. And since you claim to have so much empathy for DACA and illegal immigrants, why is it just now an issue for you? Why werent you trying to get them a path to citizenship a long time ago? Oh, it's because your party didn't care before and didn't tell you to care.

The wall is not a metaphor. It wasn't a metaphor when Hillary wanted it literally built. It wasn't a metaphor when Obama wanted it literally built. It isn't a metaphor when Trump wants it literally built. Go to the border, there are lots of places where you can literally walk across, no fence, no wall, nothing. There is a big open area right next to El Paso, TX. Nobody stationed there, no cameras, nothing but a few buildings and a border marker.

I do hate: I hate people who hate America and The Constitution. I hate people who abuse animals. I hate people who hurt children. I hate racist groups like the KKK and BLM. I hate people who think their feelings trump my rights. I hate an over cooked steak. I hate the designated hitter rule. I hate the "football move" Dez Bryant catch rule.

Stop trying to think you know me. You don't. You like to assume you do. You send me PMs like you are my buddy and then try to accuse me of stuff in here. Ah, I get it, you flip flop just like your party does. Cheers.

Toxarch said:
You love to change the subject. Why are you bringing up Trump's claims on illegal voters. 

Um, YOU were the one who brought up illegal voters, which has nothing to do with school shootings, at the very top of this page.  

There's very little difference between a typical semi automatic hunting rifle and an AR-15 in the ability to kill.  Main differences are 1) menacing appearance, and 2) size of available clips.   For those who don't really understand, get educated here https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vbIIjIFKYYg  start watching at 6:00.   I'm not sure what good banning clips above a certain capacity would do when a person could just buy multiple small clips.  I can swap out my 12-cartridge clip in my 9mm in about 4 seconds.  With multiple clips, I can easily shoot 50+ rounds per minute.  

FlyOverCountry said:

What is there to stop some kid from driving a tank up to the school and blowing the hole place to smithereens?  Nothing.  A metal detector ain’t gonna stop the carnage.  

Buying a tank is illegal. As it should be. 

Dobie said:

HeavyG said:

We get it, your hate America. Your savior Obama did nothing either, you know why?
The majority of the country doesn’t agree with you. 

You really think I hate America? Apparently the point of that tweet sailed right over your head.

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

Spaightlabs said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Cultures have their own interior logic. That logic is very resistant to change. Once a thing is there, it is very difficult to get rid of the thing, no matter how demonstrably harmful it is. 

A culture will curl protectively around the very things that are killing it, because the other option is a complete loss of identity.  And so we have effectively embraced a form of ritualized violence upon ourselves, or at minimum, have become numb to it.  We are stuck because we can’t even agree that the instruments of that violence are a problem.  

There are many examples of this sort of thing in other cultures.  What perhaps makes us special as Americans is that we like to think of ourselves as immune to this sort of thing, despite all evidence to the contrary.

Cigarettes come immediately to mind.

Cigs don't kill people.  Smoking them does.

And making them harder to get has saved millions of lives. 

I wish the same approach was taken to combat the opioid crisis. 

Dobie said:

HeavyG said:

Dobie said:

HeavyG said:

We get it, your hate America. Your savior Obama did nothing either, you know why?
The majority of the country doesn’t agree with you. 

You really think I hate America?

Yes

Well, you're very wrong but that's okay. I can tell you aren't comfortable with thought/opinions outside of your bubble but there's not much I can do about that.

fishlessman said:

pretty surprised the police dont have a bigger presence on school premises in the rest of the country, mass schools have an officer in every school plus a second car at the driveway entrance that moves round during the day. its not uncommon for me to pass 3 or 4 cruisers as i go past the grammar school in my neighborhood, the high school has alot more officers on the grounds

Probably to protect the community from the rotten kids, smart move.