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Hear ye Mortals....incredible scientific discovery on gravitational waves. Massively weigh in here.
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Waiting for the explanation about how all this happened in 6000 years . . .
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This is no way has anything to do with religion, so I am not sure why you are bringing that up. All you do is try to start arguments on this forum. The fact that you are bringing up religion shows that you have no clue as to what this means. If anything it would side in the favor of an afterlife since it proves that time can indeed be infinite. You must have serious issues if your #1 priority of your life is to consistently start arguments on a cooking forum. FFS get a life man. Again has absolutely ZERO to do with religion.
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Darby_Crenshaw said:oddly, dismissing the climate scientists who are no longer needed will increase the percentage of those non-believing scientists versus those who do believe.
this will reverberate back and forth, as the ratio of non-believing scientists rises (due to shedding those in agreement with science), it will eventually necessitate their rehiring until the superior ratio is reestablished. whereupon there will again no longer be a need for climatologists, and they will be let go again.
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bhedges1987 said:This is no way has anything to do with religion, so I am not sure why you are bringing that up. All you do is try to start arguments on this forum. The fact that you are bringing up religion shows that you have no clue as to what this means. If anything it would side in the favor of an afterlife since it proves that time can indeed be infinite. You must have serious issues if your #1 priority of your life is to consistently start arguments on a cooking forum. FFS get a life man. Again has absolutely ZERO to do with religion.
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In the spirit of the space-time continuum, how long before the buffalo creates shock waves with this thread?Louisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
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@YukonRon - not only a genius but he rode a mean bicycle...thanks for sharingLouisville; Rolling smoke in the neighbourhood. # 38 for the win. Life is too short for light/lite beer! Seems I'm livin in a transitional period.
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this doesn't imply time is infinite, fwiw.
the waves measured were from an event 1.3 billion years ago, less time than the age of our planet. although the age of our planet is "debated" by some.
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Darby_Crenshaw said:this doesn't imply time is infinite, fwiw.
the waves measured were from an event 1.3 billion years ago, less time than the age of our planet. although the age of our planet is "debated" by some.
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bhedges1987 said:It also shows that when two black holes collide time can indeed not exist, therefore is the same thing.
citation required
the LIGO discovery says nothing about the nature of time in /outside of a black hole.
further, time does not "not exist" in a black hole. your watch would tick when you crossed the threshold and moved toward singularity. even as you fell to the center, and were torn apart, you would see your watch tick at the same rate as you always did.
but someone outside the black hole would see your watch (if they could) tick slower and slower, approaching zero
time is RELATIVE (that's why it is called the 'special theory of relativity')
c'mon bro, crack a book for me, one time. well, a different book (if you know what i mean)
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Darby_Crenshaw said:bhedges1987 said:It also shows that when two black holes collide time can indeed not exist, therefore is the same thing.
citation required
the LIGO discovery says nothing about the nature of time in /outside of a black hole.
further, time does not "not exist" in a black hole. your watch would tick when you crossed the threshold and moved toward singularity. even as you fell to the center, and were torn apart, you would see your watch tick at the same rate as you always did.
but someone outside the black hole would see your watch (if they could) tick slower and slower, approaching zero
time is RELATIVE (that's why it is called the 'special theory of relativity')
c'mon bro, crack a book for me, one time. well, a different book (if you know what i mean)
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So is the amount of BS."I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
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I'm still having trouble understanding 'infinity.' If I understand it correctly, there is an unlimited number of 'me' out there doing the same thing I'm doing right now. That means "yes" to the question, "Is there life out there?" And if all of the universe's contents are moving outward away from each other at a rate faster than the speed of light, how can we see them moving away? Their light will never reach us. As Vinny Barbarino would say, "I'm so confused!"
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Spring Chicken said:I'm still having trouble understanding 'infinity.' If I understand it correctly, there is an unlimited number of 'me' out there doing the same thing I'm doing right now. That means "yes" to the question, "Is there life out there?" And if all of the universe's contents are moving outward away from each other at a rate faster than the speed of light, how can we see them moving away? Their light will never reach us. As Vinny Barbarino would say, "I'm so confused!"
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well, it can look complicated when you delve into the first time, but if it is something you have been following for years, it's not all that bad.
trick is not to draw conclusions yourself, because there are scientists and theoreticians way out ahead of us. that was your mistake. you inferred something from minimal information (viz: that a press conference about gravitational waves being discovered = proof of lack of existence of time in a black hole = proof of infinite time= proof of heaven = validation/confirmation of personal religious beliefs).
i'm just repeating the current consensus position.
i don't pretend to be at the forefront.
but you go, man. extrapolate as you wish (and at your peril)
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Darby_Crenshaw said:well, it can look complicated when you delve into the first time, but if it is something you have been following for years, it's not all that bad.
trick is not to draw conclusions yourself, because there are scientists and theoreticians way out ahead of us. that was your mistake. you inferred something from minimal information (viz: that a press conference about gravitational waves being discovered = proof of lack of existence of time in a black hole = proof of infinite time= proof of heaven = validation/confirmation of personal religious beliefs).
i'm just repeating the current consensus position.
i don't pretend to be at the forefront.
but you go, man. extrapolate as you wish (and at your peril)
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YukonRon said:It's all fun and games until someone loses an eye.
We also took a mining cart down into the side of (iirc) Yucca Mountain, where the tunnel was tapered larger at the entrance and small right where the nuc was waiting, and "shelves" were cut into the sides of the tunnel, facing the blast point. Different experiments were mounted and wired up to measure the waves that came off the initial blast, before the physical blast obliterated the tunnel (at that time, air bursts were no longer allowed by treaty but underground testing was still going on, this was ~1988).
Also got to the the "structures" testing area, which you've all seen in school (where the blast hits buildings, and the return blast obliterates anything that survives the first wave). They built all kinds of structures for testing: homes, factories, hangers, bridges, and storage igloos.
That was the coolest job I'll ever hold, nuclear weapon safety engineer for five years.
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if it has nothing to do with religion, then let's not make the leap in logic that it proves the existence of heaven.
and your use of "quotes" implies Tyson actually said those words. please link to the source, because its unlike anything he has ever said. if he said it in "many interviews", you should be able to quickly find it.
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Darby_Crenshaw said:if it has nothing to do with religion, then let's not make the leap in logic that it proves the existence of heaven.
and your use of "quotes" implies Tyson actually said those words. please link to the source, because its unlike anything he has ever said. if he said it in "many interviews", you should be able to quickly find it.
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bhedges1987 said:Darby_Crenshaw said:well, it can look complicated when you delve into the first time, but if it is something you have been following for years, it's not all that bad.
trick is not to draw conclusions yourself, because there are scientists and theoreticians way out ahead of us. that was your mistake. you inferred something from minimal information (viz: that a press conference about gravitational waves being discovered = proof of lack of existence of time in a black hole = proof of infinite time= proof of heaven = validation/confirmation of personal religious beliefs).
i'm just repeating the current consensus position.
i don't pretend to be at the forefront.
but you go, man. extrapolate as you wish (and at your peril)
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bhedges1987 said: "If anything it would side in the favor of an afterlife since it proves that time can indeed be infinite."
sorry, i confused your use of the word "afterlife" with "heaven". i don't know how that happened. maybe the part where everyone else seems to use those words synonymously.
you'll notice though, i didn't use quotes.
you used quotes for a statement you said was by Tyson re creationism. the guy has never once supported creationism, nor even implied it had any remote validity
he never said it.
perhaps you saw it in a facebook post or a forwarded out-of-context email.
but your quote does not exist in the wild.
you give me grief for paraphrasing you (substituting one word for its synonym), while you feel no qualms about completely making up a quote and attributing it to someone with a known opinion exactly opposite what you 'quoted'
this is on par though with people who deny science or like to pick and choose from it whenever it fits their beliefs. they tend to manufacture evidence, and dismiss real evidence proposed by others.
this diminishes the credit we can give their argument, but they don't seem to comprehend that, unfortunately.
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bhedges1987 saidDon't worry, one of the physics experts that learned everything yesterday will chime in to tell you all you need to know.
that's how education works. it's something you have to do every day.
you don't just wait for someone to tell you what to think.
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Yes you do.... It's called college.Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN
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cool. so you only learned stuff while in college, and did so by just being told what to think?
suddenly this 'college' thing sounds easy.
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