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Canugghead · December 2015

Set up 1-900-SAVE-NOLA or GoFundNola,

if he comes back, he can use the $ to buy a breathalyzer for the keyboard
if not, he can use the fund to set up his own forum

Kidding aside, I vote for his return.

Mosca · December 2015

nooneinparticular said:

Nola is one of the friendliest, nicest, sharing, and good hearted guys ever. Please bring him back. I'm not very important but @nolaegghead has taught me lots about BBQ and stuff. But he is wrong about politics and religion. When it comes to topics of extreme importance he is wrong. But on matters of meat and smoke he knows his stuff.

Forums like this are places where people of different stripes can find common ground. We might not agree on politics or religion, but we can help each other with a mundane difficult problem, such as making good brisket, and through that realize that we share the same humanity.

What is important is the quality of the information shared, weighed against the manner in which the members use the forum. Those who are searching for information on using the BGE are going to skip over a topic titled, "F*ck you." The punishment should be deletion of the topic.

There is a great long read available on this very subject, one that I encourage anyone interested in social media to take the time to read. 12 years after he wrote it, Clay Shirky's A Group Is It's Own Worst Enemy is still incredibly insightful. For example,

The people using your software, even if you own it and pay for it, have rights and will behave as if they have rights. And if you abrogate those rights, you'll hear about it very quickly.
That's part of the problem that the John Hegel theory of community -- community leads to content, which leads to commerce -- never worked. Because lo and behold, no matter who came onto the Clairol chat boards, they sometimes wanted to talk about things that weren't Clairol products.
"But we paid for this! This is the Clairol site!" Doesn't matter. The users are there for one another. They may be there on hardware and software paid for by you, but the users are there for one another.

caliking · December 2015

The irony of this all? The "Best Of' page is peppered with posts from this thread! Fewer this morning, but there were more on that page last night.

Those who mentioned the BBQ Brethren site - the moderators over there make their presence known, to keep folks in line. I have lurked there for a couple of years, but I used to post more often before I got my eggs. The mods there will let a member know if they are out of line, and at least one warning shot is fired across the bows before someone is banned. The rules are clearly stated on their site, and from what i can tell, they don't have the yahoos and trolls that this forum often has. I'm talking about that guy Mike Hauchertz or whatever, ayayron, etc. The Brethren site is great for those reasons - I don't recall any flamewars, etc. that were not addressed in a fair manner. I believe their mods are unpaid volunteers.

As for this forum, I hang out here almost exclusively now because of the diversity of the membership, and discussions about EVERYTHING. Lately, the mods here seem to be paying more attention, judging by how many threads start sinking or get buffaloed. Yes, some semblance of decorum should be maintained, so a thread titled "f*ck you" deserves to be scrubbed.

And lets not forget that its only the internet, folks. You don't like someone's rants about whatever on a thread? No worries - they're not in your house and you don't have to give a rat's taint about them.

Why do i care? Because nola's a good dude. He's probably given more helpful advice than ranted here, and he always welcomes folks into his home if you happen to mention you're going to be in his 'hood (I'm speaking from personal experience). Of note, he owns a KJ Jr, and never really posted any KJ cooks here. How's that for sticking with the forum theme?

The mods need to be more consistent with the Heavy Hand. Either patrol the forum and whip everyone into shape/line according to a published set of rules, or leave it alone (like you used to). I'm not calling you names like that **** JIC, so please don't ban me. I'm not very creative, and I don't want to have to come up with another handle to come back here.

And @nolaegghead, if you're not back on already, download teamviewer on 2 (or more) computers/devices. Easy way to remote in to a computer, and will possibly get you around the IP block

The Cen-Tex Smoker · December 2015

The only thing I would add is that rat's taint is delicious when cooked properly. I wish Nola was back so we could discuss time and temp.

fishlessman · December 2015

its like that old batman series, will nola cook up some of that dry aged proscuitto, will sgh swing by and eat it in one sitting, tune in tomorrow—same nola-time, same nola-channel.

theyolksonyou · December 2015

I have a sneaking suspicion he's around. There's been a particular post or two that sound very nolaish.

Mosca · December 2015

Another problem that the moderation team faces is "win/lose". As long as the moderators stay faceless (I have no idea how this forum is policed), allowing nolaegghead back would be seen in that context: "We lose, you win." And no one loses intentionally.

It can't be that way. Nolaegghead screwed up. Nolaegghead has to face the music. If the moderation team decides to reverse their decision, they must also maintain control of that decision; it has to be what is best for BGE, for the forum, for the moderation team, and for nolaegghead.

Everything is ephemeral. Things do change No one user is bigger than the whole, but the whole does not exist without every one user. Nolaegghead's helpfulness can be replaced, by pretty much anyone. What you are asking for isn't the return of the advice and helpfulness, but the personality, the connectedness to this one user who makes the forum worth more to you than the advice. (I say "you" instead of "we" because honestly I haven't participated enough to make any connections, nor to develop a forum personality of my own. I don't know nolaegghead like many here do.) This community is very large, and also very tightly knit, making it remarkable, especially for a forum that uses this format.

I say bring the guy back and see what happens. If it doesn't work, bring back the banhammer and move forward.

fishlessman · December 2015

Mosca said:

Another problem that the moderation team faces is "win/lose". As long as the moderators stay faceless (I have no idea how this forum is policed), allowing nolaegghead back would be seen in that context: "We lose, you win." And no one loses intentionally.

It can't be that way. Nolaegghead screwed up. Nolaegghead has to face the music. If the moderation team decides to reverse their decision, they must also maintain control of that decision; it has to be what is best for BGE, for the forum, for the moderation team, and for nolaegghead.

Everything is ephemeral. Things do change No one user is bigger than the whole, but the whole does not exist without every one user. Nolaegghead's helpfulness can be replaced, by pretty much anyone. What you are asking for isn't the return of the advice and helpfulness, but the personality, the connectedness to this one user who makes the forum worth more to you than the advice. (I say "you" instead of "we" because honestly I haven't participated enough to make any connections, nor to develop a forum personality of my own. I don't know nolaegghead like many here do.) This community is very large, and also very tightly knit, making it remarkable, especially for a forum that uses this format.

I say bring the guy back and see what happens. If it doesn't work, bring back the banhammer and move forward.

with all his work and organization with brisket camp in new orleans, im sure this is only a time out, well i hope it is anyways. that brisket camp is pure and free marketing for bge

Mosca · December 2015

Do not post links or images or create posts that are irrelevant for the purpose of the forum, which includes insulting, offensive, racist, sexist, discriminatory, obscene or vulgar remarks or any post which may be found to be in violation of any law or ordinance. This includes posts on topics which are polarizing or inflammatory in nature. If you do any of this, we will of course delete the post and ban you permanently.

....It does not matter what stature you think you hold in these forums, you are expected to maintain decorum and play nice. Doing otherwise will get your account suspended temporarily … or permanently if the situation is blatant or repetitive.

Could go either way.

SciAggie · December 2015

@Mosca That was a great article. Thanks for posting the link.

caliking · December 2015

Mosca said:

nooneinparticular said:

Nola is one of the friendliest, nicest, sharing, and good hearted guys ever. Please bring him back. I'm not very important but @nolaegghead has taught me lots about BBQ and stuff. But he is wrong about politics and religion. When it comes to topics of extreme importance he is wrong. But on matters of meat and smoke he knows his stuff.

Forums like this are places where people of different stripes can find common ground. We might not agree on politics or religion, but we can help each other with a mundane difficult problem, such as making good brisket, and through that realize that we share the same humanity.

What is important is the quality of the information shared, weighed against the manner in which the members use the forum. Those who are searching for information on using the BGE are going to skip over a topic titled, "F*ck you." The punishment should be deletion of the topic.

There is a great long read available on this very subject, one that I encourage anyone interested in social media to take the time to read. 12 years after he wrote it, Clay Shirky's A Group Is It's Own Worst Enemy is still incredibly insightful. For example,
The people using your software, even if you own it and pay for it, have rights and will behave as if they have rights. And if you abrogate those rights, you'll hear about it very quickly.
That's part of the problem that the John Hegel theory of community -- community leads to content, which leads to commerce -- never worked. Because lo and behold, no matter who came onto the Clairol chat boards, they sometimes wanted to talk about things that weren't Clairol products.
"But we paid for this! This is the Clairol site!" Doesn't matter. The users are there for one another. They may be there on hardware and software paid for by you, but the users are there for one another.

Thanks for posting that. The last line sums it up nicely.

If you have ever perused the BBQ Brethren site, first a moderator, then the site administrator will post a very public warning if any tomfoolery is taking a turn for the ugly. As long as I've been on that site, they have always seemed pretty fair in how they have dealt with members. This forum's admins/mods may want to mosey on over there and see how it should be done.

And yes, I have a feeling he's on here too

THEBuckeye · December 2015

The drunker he became (as he posted in the wee AM hours) , the legend in his own mind only grew stronger , IMHO, of course.

And if you disagreed with the progressive political know it all rants, he went straight to the Lib playbook a la Saul Alinski.

No thanks

nolabrew · December 2015

I had some beers with him on Saturday night. We talked a little bit about brisket camp 2016. It's going to be even bigger and badder. Maybe if BGE decides that he can't ever post here again, we could reach out to Kamado Joe to see if they would like some free advertising.

Focker · December 2015

^^^^Yep, see you on the other side nola-it-all.....wait, no, I won't.

slovelad · December 2015

All those who want #FreeNole stickers, send me a message.

i will make them out of any scrap I have left, free of charge.

BuckeyeFork · December 2015

THEBuckeye said:

The drunker he became (as he posted in the wee AM hours) , the legend in his own mind only grew stronger , IMHO, of course.

And if you disagreed with the progressive political know it all rants, he went straight to the Lib playbook a la Saul Alinski.

No thanks

Bite me.

Literally, I'm a fork. Bite me.

SGH · December 2015

Fellows it's Monday morning and BGE head quarters is open. If you want Nola back, I encourage you to take a minute to make a call or send a email to BGE on his behalf. Or do both.

caliking · December 2015

BuckeyeFork said:

THEBuckeye said:

The drunker he became (as he posted in the wee AM hours) , the legend in his own mind only grew stronger , IMHO, of course.

And if you disagreed with the progressive political know it all rants, he went straight to the Lib playbook a la Saul Alinski.

No thanks

Bite me.

Literally, I'm a fork. Bite me.

What about "Fork you"? Just don't put that in the title though.

NPHuskerFL · December 2015

SGH said:

Fellows it's Monday morning and BGE head quarters is open. If you want Nola back, I encourage you to take a minute to make a call or send a email to BGE on his behalf. Or do both.

Calling do you ask for a particular department?
Or Email to "support"?

SGH · December 2015

NPHuskerFL said:

SGH said:

Fellows it's Monday morning and BGE head quarters is open. If you want Nola back, I encourage you to take a minute to make a call or send a email to BGE on his behalf. Or do both.

Calling do you ask for a particular department?
Or Email to "support"?

Ask to speak with someone in "Forum Support". If you get a recording, leave a detailed message. If we flood them with messages, they will respond.

henapple · December 2015

Is the "rat's taint" done... Travis style?

The Cen-Tex Smoker · December 2015

henapple said:

Is the "rat's taint" done... Travis style?

It can be. The options are limitless. Sous Vide, reverse sear, Clay Q pulled taint style. They are all wonderful.

johnmitchell · December 2015

henapple said:

Is the "rat's taint" done... Travis style?

I would say yes but don't go with the spicy Allegro..

Mosca · December 2015

THEBuckeye said:

The drunker he became (as he posted in the wee AM hours) , the legend in his own mind only grew stronger , IMHO, of course.

And if you disagreed with the progressive political know it all rants, he went straight to the Lib playbook a la Saul Alinski.

No thanks

I didn't read any of it, the title of the topic wasn't inviting to me.

Tspud1 · December 2015

nolabrew said:

I had some beers with him on Saturday night. We talked a little bit about brisket camp 2016. It's going to be even bigger and badder. Maybe if BGE decides that he can't ever post here again, we could reach out to Kamado Joe to see if they would like some free advertising.

Have you seen their forum? Sad & lame come to mind

SGH · December 2015

SGH said:

Fellows it's Monday morning and BGE head quarters is open. If you want Nola back, I encourage you to take a minute to make a call or send a email to BGE on his behalf. Or do both.

Since I posted the above, I have received several PM's and texts from members who have contacted BGE in support of brother Nola. Thank you all who have took the time to reach out on his behalf. Those of you who haven't, please do so. Every little bit helps. Thank you all again.

SGH · December 2015

Just a tip. You can call BGE, click "Support" or click "Report Forum Abuse". By using the Report Forum Abuse option, your request goes straight to a moderator. Thanks again everyone. I really appreciate it, as does brother Nola.

Legume · December 2015

http://www.bbc.com/future/story/20151207-the-countries-where-rats-are-on-the-menu

No mention of taint.

johnmitchell said:

henapple said:

Is the "rat's taint" done... Travis style?

I would say yes but don't go with the spicy Allegro..

Ozzie_Isaac · December 2015

Has anyone met a mod? I wonder if it is an intern or they have high level meetings where they review threads.

Ozzie_Isaac · December 2015

Firing Nola was like Outdoor Life firing Jim Zumbo. Sure he can be a real pia, but in the end he is a good guy.

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