So if animals cause global warming now what doesn't cause Global Warming err Climate Change. The left doing whatever they can to save the world I mean increase taxes.

Everyone is for clean air and water, healthy children, livable cities, sustainability and preserving the rainforest. The other stuf on the list isn't worth some idiot in Washington destroying our economy over, raising energy prices or dictating what I can and can't eat.

JohnInCarolina said:

A better world for NOTHING?  The cost of this pipe dream is enormous!  Forget about the Billions Obama has given to Solyndra and their ilk.  The average utility consumer, residential, commercial, industrial & agriculture is taking it or shortly will take increased utility costs because of Obama's war on the coal industry.  We are set to lose the coal fired electric plants that provide a significant percentage of the electricity in America.  We all know businesses don't pay the increase, they pass it on to the consumer.  So everything will become more costly to us.  Your NOTHING sure is expensive!

Uh oh.  The race has been played.  I think I see it coming.

HeavyG said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

A better world for NOTHING?  The cost of this pipe dream is enormous!  Forget about the Billions Obama has given to Solyndra and their ilk.  The average utility consumer, residential, commercial, industrial & agriculture is taking it or shortly will take increased utility costs because of Obama's war on the coal industry.  We are set to lose the coal fired electric plants that provide a significant percentage of the electricity in America.  We all know businesses don't pay the increase, they pass it on to the consumer.  So everything will become more costly to us.  Your NOTHING sure is expensive!

Just imagine what the cost will be to the global economy if we (nations of the world not just the USA) actually do NOTHING in response to a changing climate?

As the saying goes..."you can pay me now or you can pay me more later"

If it was a PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY, then it would be a fact and something in which we can agree action must be taken.  But this whole thing is NOT PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY so you are asking me to accept this on faith.  I don't go to that church brother!

There is no debate on this.  Crazies: stop wasting everyone's time.

Legume said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

If it was a PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY, then it would be a fact and something in which we can agree action must be taken.  But this whole thing is NOT PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY so you are asking me to accept this on faith.  I don't go to that church brother!

two quick points - or opinions here

1. it's not a fact or proven scientifically that you or your family will be attacked at any point in the future, yet you arm yourself with weapons to mitigate the risk of such attacks.  same logic can be applied here if you don't want to buy into climate change or any other risk on 'faith' as you say
2. we can discuss climate change or we can discuss potential steps to mitigate it, but judging the existence or risk of one based on the solutions proposed by someone you don't like doesn't make sense, it just muddles the conversation
   

It's one thing sir, to buy a firearm & ammo.  In the grand scheme of our family finances, that's a minor purchase.  What you're advocating is a suffocating expense that lowers the standard of living all on a hunch.  That's nuts!

I wonder if Nero thought to himself "well at least I didn't kill the economy!" while he played his fiddle and watched Rome burn to the ground.

Fred, stop being a petulant child about this.  People bitched and moaned about seatbelts, then airbags.  Numbers 35:33 "You shall not pollute the land in which you live"

You want to go to hell?  No?  Then stop fighting for earth's destruction.

Fair & balanced, eh?  (A tweak for my liberal egghead friends.). I don't see an inconsistency.  Unproven problem: man made global warming.  Solution to fix said unproven problem: incredibly expensive to the point where many will lower their standard of living.

You liberal types claim to be compassionate where us conservatives are cold hearted bastids.  I believe this proves otherwise.  Pretty soon granny will have to eat cat food just to pay the electric bill.

Fred19Flintstone said:

HeavyG said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

A better world for NOTHING?  The cost of this pipe dream is enormous!  Forget about the Billions Obama has given to Solyndra and their ilk.  The average utility consumer, residential, commercial, industrial & agriculture is taking it or shortly will take increased utility costs because of Obama's war on the coal industry.  We are set to lose the coal fired electric plants that provide a significant percentage of the electricity in America.  We all know businesses don't pay the increase, they pass it on to the consumer.  So everything will become more costly to us.  Your NOTHING sure is expensive!

Just imagine what the cost will be to the global economy if we (nations of the world not just the USA) actually do NOTHING in response to a changing climate?

As the saying goes..."you can pay me now or you can pay me more later"

If it was a PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY, then it would be a fact and something in which we can agree action must be taken.  But this whole thing is NOT PROVEN SCIENTIFICALLY so you are asking me to accept this on faith.  I don't go to that church brother!

"Fairy Tales"

Fred19Flintstone said:

Fair & balanced, eh?  (A tweak for my liberal egghead friends.). I don't see an inconsistency.  Unproven problem: man made global warming.  Solution to fix said unproven problem: incredibly expensive to the point where many will lower their standard of living.

Let me ask you this.  If we were able to transition to sustainable, renewable energy sources to reduce greenhouse emissions in an economically responsible way, would you be in favor of it?

johnnyp said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

Fair & balanced, eh?  (A tweak for my liberal egghead friends.). I don't see an inconsistency.  Unproven problem: man made global warming.  Solution to fix said unproven problem: incredibly expensive to the point where many will lower their standard of living.

Let me ask you this.  If we were able to transition to sustainable, renewable energy sources to reduce greenhouse emissions in an economically responsible way, would you be in favor of it?

When you say responsible you have to be specific specially when dealing with the govt. if there was no change to cost or cost went down un-subsidized and it didn't trash our economy is be for it.

JohnInCarolina said:

Fred19Flintstone said:

Fair & balanced, eh?  (A tweak for my liberal egghead friends.). I don't see an inconsistency.  Unproven problem: man made global warming.  Solution to fix said unproven problem: incredibly expensive to the point where many will lower their standard of living.

You liberal types claim to be compassionate where us conservatives are cold hearted bastids.  I believe this proves otherwise.  Pretty soon granny will have to eat cat food just to pay the electric bill.

Proof - you keep using that word.  I do not think it means what you think it means.

I think PROOF means it is PROVEN (repeated and consistently) that because of X happening, Y occurs.  When it comes to man made global warming, there is nothing like that.  Al Gore is a politician, not a scientist.