Whatever your thoughts on climate change, this is BS & would cost all of us.

lousubcap

@SGH- said:
In reality I believe Hillary and that global warming is real

Now you have real cause to worry.   

JohnInCarolina

LOL

theyolksonyou

SmokyBear said:

BTW..when are you giving up Egging?  You know..it's "for the children and their future".  You're sure pumping out a lot of carbon pollution..that's bad..very, very bad.  Guess you're gonna have to stop Egging now..

This is why I only use Rockwood, it only emits good stuff like rainbows and unicorn farts. 

nolaegghead

SmokyBear said:

nolaegghead said:

This is complete and utter nonsense.

No, it's basic supply and demand.

Less coal plants = less energy output (aka "supply") while demand stays constant - or, more likely, increases.

Voila - WAY higher energy costs.  If you don't believe it, just wait.

BTW..when are you giving up Egging?  You know..it's "for the children and their future".  You're sure pumping out a lot of carbon pollution..that's bad..very, very bad.  Guess you're gonna have to stop Egging now..

Do you actually believe we can't keep up with demand?  There's a glut of natural gas.  We can build more fission nuclear plants and, in the near future, we'll have fusion power.  Mutherfkin science rules. 

Wood and charcoal are renewable sources.  I'm gonna still be egging, and mocking aluminum foil hats.

Fred19Flintstone

nolaegghead said:

SmokyBear said:

Hey, if you want your utility bills to go up hundreds of percent, and want to double or even triple the price of your meat, just so that a few politicians are happy with the increased control they have over your lives, be my guest.

Just leave the rest of us alone while you enjoy being poorer or more miserable, K?

This is complete and utter nonsense.

Supply and demand genius.  You liberals put the coal industry out of business and thus the coal fired electric plants are shutting down.  Less supply, higher prices.  Or is the economic principle of supply and demand complete and utter nonsense!

JohnInCarolina

SmokyBear said:

nolaegghead said:

This is complete and utter nonsense.

No, it's basic supply and demand.

Less coal plants = less energy output (aka "supply") while demand stays constant - or, more likely, increases.

Voila - WAY higher energy costs.  If you don't believe it, just wait.

We don't have to wait actually.  Coal plants have been closing at an increasing rate over the past decade.  The main driver is actually cheaper, cleaner, renewables and natural gas.  Go figure.

SmokyBear

nolaegghead said:

Wood and charcoal are renewable sources.  I'm gonna still be egging, and mocking aluminum foil hats.

The issue aint' wood and charcoal - it's "carbon emissions" - you know, all that billowing smoke that you libs complain about from the power plants, cars, cow farts, the whole shebang.

Oh, wait - I get it.  You only want policies that impact OTHER people and not you.  (Just like Hillary and Algore - jet all over the world and burn more fuel in one trip than any of us ALL YEAR.  Yet, they want us to drive tinier and tinier cars while they ride around in their jets and gas-sucking limos).

If someone told you "hey, stop Egging - all that carbon emmission you're putting off is hurting the planet and causing GLOBAL WARMING" - would you?

Didn't think so.

JohnInCarolina

So we're back to the old "climate change isn't real because Al Gore is fat!" line of "thinking" ?  

I've said it once before I'll say it again my friends: it is a miracle we put a man on the moon.  

theyolksonyou

https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=1hKSYgOGtos

theyolksonyou

Or did we?

Durangler

Don't worry, everything's under control. Your utility bills won't rise. Food prices will drop. Healthcare will eventually level out. The sun will rise in the east & set in the west. Go about your business over the holidays.
Obama's got it all covered.
Oh, and while your enjoying your families this weekend, the White House suggest gun control the topic at the table.
Carry on, no fear. 

theyolksonyou

Apparently, that moon thing happened in 1999. I found this...



https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=LER9pt-hFLM

Fred19Flintstone

JohnInCarolina said:

SmokyBear said:

nolaegghead said:

This is complete and utter nonsense.

No, it's basic supply and demand.

Less coal plants = less energy output (aka "supply") while demand stays constant - or, more likely, increases.

Voila - WAY higher energy costs.  If you don't believe it, just wait.

We don't have to wait actually.  Coal plants have been closing at an increasing rate over the past decade.  The main driver is actually cheaper, cleaner, renewables and natural gas.  Go figure.

We have vast coal resources so how can using the most abundant fuel source become more expensive than using other fuel sources?  Government regulation.  Your point is using circular logic which means there is no point.  Coal isn't needed because it's getting too expensive.  Coal costs are rising due to massive new government regulation.  In the end as stated earlier, electricity costs rise because the liberal policy making douches.

SGH

Where is brother Haucheritz or the buffalo when we need them?

JohnInCarolina

Fred19Flintstone said:

JohnInCarolina said:

SmokyBear said:

nolaegghead said:

This is complete and utter nonsense.

No, it's basic supply and demand.

Less coal plants = less energy output (aka "supply") while demand stays constant - or, more likely, increases.

Voila - WAY higher energy costs.  If you don't believe it, just wait.

We don't have to wait actually.  Coal plants have been closing at an increasing rate over the past decade.  The main driver is actually cheaper, cleaner, renewables and natural gas.  Go figure.

We have vast coal resources so how can using the most abundant fuel source become more expensive than using other fuel sources.

Abundance isn't the only factor here Einstein.  There are significant costs associated with excavation.  It doesn't hop out of the subsurface on its own. The efficiency of translating a fuel source into electricity matters.

Government regulations have definitely played a role, that's for sure.  But you're just willfully ignorant if you believe that's the whole story.  The surge in natural gas has played a huge role in the downfall of coal.

SmokyBear

JohnInCarolina said:

Abundance isn't the only factor here Einstein.  There are significant costs associated with excavation.  It doesn't hop out of the subsurface on its own. The efficiency of translating a fuel source into electricity matters.

So, what about the cost of building all of these "new & improved" fuel generating sources like nuke plants, windmills, etc?  I'd wager the cost of building & operating massive new infrastructure far outweighs any "costs associated with excavation".

Who's going to pay for all of that?

Oh, that's right.  WE are.

DoubleEgger

SGH said:

Where is brother Haucheritz or the buffalo when we need them?

Yeah this thread could use a dic pic...

SmokyBear

Also wondering about the cost of disposing / storing spent nuclear fuel rods and the damage to the environment THAT causes.

JohnInCarolina

SmokyBear said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Abundance isn't the only factor here Einstein.  There are significant costs associated with excavation.  It doesn't hop out of the subsurface on its own. The efficiency of translating a fuel source into electricity matters.

So, what about the cost of building all of these "new & improved" fuel generating sources like nuke plants, windmills, etc?  I'd wager the cost of building massive new infrastructure far outweighs any "costs associated with excavation".

Who's going to pay for all of that?

Oh, that's right.  WE are.

Except we're not.  The transition away from coal has been almost undetectable in electricity bills: Residential rates have been essentially flat since 2006. 

Didn't you say you were going to go and do things that you're better at?  What happened to that idea?

beteez

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/04/obama-wasnt-kidding-about-wanting-to-spike-your-electricity-bill/

nolaegghead

beteez said:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/04/obama-wasnt-kidding-about-wanting-to-spike-your-electricity-bill/

theyolksonyou

DoubleEgger said:

SGH said:

Where is brother Haucheritz or the buffalo when we need them?

Yeah this thread could use a dic pic...

@DoubleEgger ask and ye shall receive. 


I keed, I keed. 

JohnInCarolina

nolaegghead said:

beteez said:

http://thefederalist.com/2015/08/04/obama-wasnt-kidding-about-wanting-to-spike-your-electricity-bill/

This is only because of all the job growth under Obama!!!

SmokyBear

Yeah, I'd call a SIXTY-TWO PERCENT increase in heating oil prices over the last 20 years "flat".  Riiiiiight.

That aside, what you're missing is what the NEW regulations will do to our energy bills.  Can you say SKYROCKET, children?  I thoughtcha could.

But, hey - if you want to pay all those higher prices..be my guest.  Me?  I'd prefer to keep more of my disposable income for spending on the things *I* want to spend it on.

nolaegghead

Me me me me me me 

SmokyBear

Still waiting to hear which of our Lib friends is going to give up Egging to lower the carbon emissions you're all generating.

</crickets>

JohnInCarolina

SmokyBear said:

That aside, what you're missing is what the NEW regulations will do to our energy bills.  Can you say SKYROCKET, children?  I thoughtcha could.

I may have given you a bit too much credit when I suggested you made the kindergarten debate team.

nolaegghead

Wood is renewable.  Dude, I said that earlier.  

theyolksonyou

You guys really have me on the fence about climate change with all these arguments. Please continue so I can decide where I stand. 

DoubleEgger

nolaegghead said:

Wood is renewable.  Dude, I said that earlier.  

Especially since Viagra...