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Help me use wood chunks!
bicktrav
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I was speaking to a guy that owns a BBQ joint the other weekend. He uses a pit smoker and was saying that he always lets his wood chunks burn before he throws any food on. The thinking, I would imagine, is similar to the thinking with charcoal: let the nasty smoke burn off before exposing food. I've never heard about having to do that with wood. Chips burn so quickly you really couldn't do it, but is that what you're supposed to do with chunks? Also, when I use chunks I find I only get about 30-45 minutes of good, thick smoke before it goes away and runs clear. Seems like it ought to take longer to burn through a chunk. Does that happen to all of you? How do you use your chunks? Buried in the pile? Placed on top? Do you let them burn first? Would love a tutorial from anyone that cares to chime in.
Southern California
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Here is how I use wood.....I start with Mesquite lump and add a lot of wood and chips.....no pre-burn Click link....http://jvp.smugmug.com/Barbeque. "Starting Fire for the "EGG""
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I usually toss my chunks on just a few min before the food...I put a couple direct in the hot spot and then a few others near it so they chime in a bit later... if I'm doing a low and slow I add more throughoutMaking the neighbors jealous in Pleasant Hill, Ia one cook at a time...
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I throw all the chips or chunks in when I start. Mix them up. I've had some nasty smoke flavors when throwing fresh wood on the coals right before adding the meat. A little bit of wood is fine, but having the established fire, including smoke wood, in my opinion, gives you better quality smoke flavor. I could get scientific about it, but I'm just going to turn people off.
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I wouldn't mind hearing the science behind it, if you don't mind.nolaegghead said:I throw all the chips or chunks in when I start. Mix them up. I've had some nasty smoke flavors when throwing fresh wood on the coals right before adding the meat. A little bit of wood is fine, but having the established fire, including smoke wood, in my opinion, gives you better quality smoke flavor. I could get scientific about it, but I'm just going to turn people off. -
When I was in college getting my chemistry degree, we had one lab where we put wood in a test tube, heated it up under a flame and, in an oxygen free environment (which would simulate wood heated but not on fire) captured the VOCs - volatile organic carbon - that came from the wood. Eventually, the wood would become like charcoal.SunDeviledEgg said:
I wouldn't mind hearing the science behind it, if you don't mind.nolaegghead said:I throw all the chips or chunks in when I start. Mix them up. I've had some nasty smoke flavors when throwing fresh wood on the coals right before adding the meat. A little bit of wood is fine, but having the established fire, including smoke wood, in my opinion, gives you better quality smoke flavor. I could get scientific about it, but I'm just going to turn people off.
We analyzed the test tube of liquid gook. It smelled foul, like petroleum or coal. It wasn't lovely smelling like a bottle of liquid smoke. The decomposition of wood with heat is called pyrolysis. And the gook that smells bad can make food smell bad. Bad smelling food makes bad tasting food. This is related to getting "good" smoke.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pyrolysis
Another by-product, and one that smells like creosote, are PAHs.
http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Polycyclic_aromatic_hydrocarbon
These can be minimized by letting the fire establish. I've ruined food by throwing in big chunks of tree on a hot fire, where that wood basically undergoes pyrolysis. In small amounts, no problem, but by letting the fire establish, the vapor from the smoke wood is minimal, and is burned, largely, in the fire. The good stuff makes the nice smoky flavor.
The egg can exacerbate the amount of bad chemicals because it's a very closed environment, unlike the "stick burners" where there's a lot of bypass air to dilute the VOCs.
Anyway, I urge you to experiment, I have, and learn from your technique.
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For us non-scientific types.......good low and slow smoke on your egg should be "smelled but not seen". You can actually see the good stuff a little but thin, blue smoke is what you want. Billowy white smoke is not what you are after.Keepin' It Weird in The ATX FBTX
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On my gasser or Weber, if you didn't see the smoke it was not smoking. Egg smoke is best like Cen Tex says, smelled but not seen.Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
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Just got a chance to read through these comments (busy past 24 hours). Great replies and thank to everyone who wrote in.@nolaegghead - Really appreciate the science. Makes a lot of sense and I'll heed the advice.@TheCenTexSmoker and @Skiddymarker - I had always been under the impression that if you weren't seeing thick smoke coming out, you weren't getting smoke flavor. So that's wrong? You can still get good smoke flavor if you're seeing no smoke come out? That would actually make sense because there have been several times where I've had a good amount of wood in there and the smoke goes away pretty quickly; in those situations, I'm always thinking there's just no way the fire could have consumed the wood yet. I just figured it had stopped smoking for one reason or another. Sounds instead like the chunks behave at least somewhat like charcoal; you wait for the smoke to run clear; that's the good stuff. That about right?Southern California
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you got it!
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"The closed environment of the egg vs stick burners" is this why we can't burn only wood chunks as stick burners do?Slumming it in Aiken, SC.
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Yep. There's a lot more "bypass" air in a stick burner that dilutes the pyrolysis gasses. I tried burning pure oak in my egg to cook pizza. Figured I'd let it ash over and I cook pizza hot - 600-700F. Still had an almost overwhelming smoke flavor, bordered on the unpleasant. Pizza was still good, but it's the only explanation that makes sense, since the wood fired pizza oven burns pure wood, usually oak.Jeremiah said:"The closed environment of the egg vs stick burners" is this why we can't burn only wood chunks as stick burners do?
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Omg...don't ask nola about science. ..Green egg, dead animal and alcohol. The "Boro".. TN
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@bicktrav, The egg's limited air flow does not let the smoke wood flare (unless you open the dome) it is also why you can use chips, spread thru the lump and get good smoke flavour.Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
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I've always used chips. Is there an appropriate time for chunks vs chips? Should chunks be for low and slow and chips otherwise? Thoughts on that? Thanks all; interesting thread!
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Yes but in a pizza oven the wood is beside the pie and vents through the topnolaegghead said:
Yep. There's a lot more "bypass" air in a stick burner that dilutes the pyrolysis gasses. I tried burning pure oak in my egg to cook pizza. Figured I'd let it ash over and I cook pizza hot - 600-700F. Still had an almost overwhelming smoke flavor, bordered on the unpleasant. Pizza was still good, but it's the only explanation that makes sense, since the wood fired pizza oven burns pure wood, usually oak.Jeremiah said:"The closed environment of the egg vs stick burners" is this why we can't burn only wood chunks as stick burners do?
Steve
Caledon, ON
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Personal view, unburned chunks are easier to fish out if you are going to reuse the lump. For example, cooking a beef roast with oak or hickory and you have chunks spread throughout the lump, cook is done you snuff the egg. The next cook is a spatchcock chicken and you do not want the oak and or hickory, preferring cherry or pecan maybe. It is easier to fish out the oak or hickory chunks.SpartanPride said:I've always used chips. Is there an appropriate time for chunks vs chips? Should chunks be for low and slow and chips otherwise? Thoughts on that? Thanks all; interesting thread!Chips work very well and are easy to spread through the lump as they kinda fall thru on their own - but are much harder to separate from lump.Delta B.C. - Whiskey and steak, because no good story ever started with someone having a salad!
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