Celebrating Thursday June 9th, what are you all cooking?

Ybabpmuts

alaskanassasin said:

You guys need to turn off the news. It’s ok. 

I stopped watching news about a year ago. I got so damned sick of all the bad/negative news and it being repeated over and over throughout the day that I just stopped watching it. I read online all the time (way too much free time on my hands) and just switched to getting my news that way. I have full online access to both NYTimes and WashPost, for their opposing views. I read other sources as well, the Associated Press has a Morning Wire that is great, so I read that every morning  As long I know and trust the sources (and understand their "leaning"), I'm fine getting my news that way, at my pace, and more importantly, choosing the stories that I want to read about, rather than being force fed all the crap on the TV news that I don't care about, just for the few stories that I do.

Both of my kids do the same, very little TV watching in general. Heck, my oldest daughter doesn't even have a TV at her place. She'll stream shows online on her $$ apple laptop, if she wants to actually watch anything. They would much rather be doing things out in the real world rather than watching TV inside. That being said, my youngest daughter has three TV's in her living room, because her boyfriend is a major sports lover, and watches multiple sports games at once. My daughter usually reads while that is going on though. 


The news on TV is highly scripted, totally sensationalized, and a marvel of modern marketing. Someone is getting rich off of it, people don't tend to realize that. It isn't a service for us, it's a business .. for profit ... period.

alaskanassasin

amen @StumpBaby

nolaegghead

It’s funny/not funny that the conversation about the “media” is about totally different aspects of which media it is, depending on which side you subscribe to.

SamIAm2

 @alaskanassasin - stopped watching news programming while I was still employed. Also sports ... didn't need to watch to know what team won which game as at work conversations went on all the time around me. Never joined in because I didn't care. Finally put headphones on to listen to music and not the inane conversations.

Have the same reservations as you @Ybabpmuts concerning any internet news information. Sensationalized titles to draw eyes for profit and "me too ism" is rampant.

I know that programing directors of TV shows believe their audience is too stupid to retain anything viewed as entertainment because they insist on reminding the viewer what they had previously seen, before the 5 minute commercial breaks.

Old guy here who remembers when programs assumed you could remember what you had seen on the previous weeks program.  Remember how movies used to be delivered to the theaters on very irregular schedules. If you were a fan of programming like Flash Gordon,  you really had to be patient to see the next show in the sequence.  Off soap box now.

AnothaStolenGenrator

alaskanassasin said:

paqman said:

alaskanassasin said:

You guys need to turn off the news. It’s ok. 

I think that you nailed it but not the way you think.  The problem here are the lies (aka alternate facts) being presented by some news channels and people with authority as truth without actually being factual.  America’s greatest strength, liberty of expression, has been weaponized by foreign powers.  Those foreign powers now have an army of what we call useful idiots doing all the hard work for them.

  Its not a foreign power my friend. It is money.  The more of that crap you watch the more advertising they sell the more money they make, "facts" don't really play into it. 

Foreign powers also have some fairly large financial incentives.  

Botch

A quick inflation summary; be glad we're not in Turkey.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5OfMa6NfX0

AnothaStolenGenrator

http://twitter.com/dcjohnson/status/1537099692474916864?s=20&t=2JjbOKKtJ-CUFq4U0myKFA

Canugghead

Botch said:

A quick inflation summary; be glad we're not in Turkey.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5OfMa6NfX0

Good luck getting the 'let's go Brandon ' cult members to swallow this.

HeavyG

AnothaStolenGenrator said:

http://twitter.com/dcjohnson/status/1537099692474916864?s=20&t=2JjbOKKtJ-CUFq4U0myKFA

Carter was also mocked when he installed solar panels (for hot water heating) on part of the White House.

They were removed years later by Reagan.

alaskanassasin

I have often thought about being able to go to different gas stations and how that market competition helps keep fuel prices down relative.  While the electric car model will have you charging at home and you will be beholden to your one electric utility provider.  Some people might have choices but we only have one.

fishlessman

alaskanassasin said:

I have often thought about being able to go to different gas stations and how that market competition helps keep fuel prices down relative.  While the electric car model will have you charging at home and you will be beholden to your one electric utility provider.  Some people might have choices but we only have one.

im held hostage at camp by the one, 83 percent increase in january because the state voted down a hydro electric corridor that was approved and permitted back ten or so years ago. at home theres several to choose from but its a 3 card monte setup between the sellers and customers

nolaegghead

alaskanassasin said:

I have often thought about being able to go to different gas stations and how that market competition helps keep fuel prices down relative.  While the electric car model will have you charging at home and you will be beholden to your one electric utility provider.  Some people might have choices but we only have one.

They’re all selling gas from the same pipeline at roughly the same cost.  Not sure this really is what keeps gas prices down.

JohnInCarolina

alaskanassasin said:

I have often thought about being able to go to different gas stations and how that market competition helps keep fuel prices down relative.  While the electric car model will have you charging at home and you will be beholden to your one electric utility provider.  Some people might have choices but we only have one.

This calculus, at least right now, is easy to do.  The EVs win it every time.

alaskanassasin

nolaegghead said:

alaskanassasin said:

I have often thought about being able to go to different gas stations and how that market competition helps keep fuel prices down relative.  While the electric car model will have you charging at home and you will be beholden to your one electric utility provider.  Some people might have choices but we only have one.

They’re all selling gas from the same pipeline at roughly the same cost.  Not sure this really is what keeps gas prices down.

 You might have missed my point. For example I used Kroger points and saved $1 a gallon it was a 30 gallon fill up. If I only was allowed to buy gas from one station there would be no incentives and they would probably charge whatever they want since you have no choice… 

alaskanassasin

I agree @JohnInCarolina. Buying a Yukon penciled two years ago but here we are.

Ozzie_Isaac

Botch said:

A quick inflation summary; be glad we're not in Turkey.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5OfMa6NfX0

He laid out a very convincing case showing that Biden worked with China to manipulate the markets and cause massive world wide inflation to weaken everyone and strengthen China.  The one link he should have laid a bit more clearly was the one from H Biden's laptop showing they are doing it for their own enrichment.

I am surprised you linked to such an indictment of Biden and China.

FarmingPhD

Sitting here waiting for a kids softball game to start, I want to share some thoughts as I have read this thread, albeit took me a few days to since I started reading it on Sunday.

I am a conservative Christian that is sorely disappointed in the actions of the folks involved on January 6th. It was embarrassing to our country and those involved should be prosecuted according to the law.  I however do not think this was a coup attempt and can’t take it seriously as such considering the lack of preparedness of the folks who are being accused of a coup attempt. Maybe there will be actual hard facts that support this over the coming weeks, but a coup of Insurrection would require substantial evidence.  

One thing that was discussed on Fox News was congressional hearings lack cross examination that builds or destroys credibility of witnesses and that the long standing tradition of the side in charge sets the narrative is why a majority of the country will pay less attention than they should.  I have to say I agree with this after watching 2 decades worth of hearings for different topics occur.  Considering the country has watched the same people attempt to impeach Trump twice, both times lacking necessary evidence with partisan prosecution, why would they pay attention.  

There was a comment made in this thread that “what about isms” are a worthless argument.  I want to just try and convey some points that I hope I can convey with thoughtfulness.

How we view similar crimes/sins/injustices but in different situations is telling of our world view and moral standards.  Comparing the riots on the capitol to other riots and expecting at least prosecution is to the extent of the law. If what about isms are junk arguments then things like abortion are a dead argument as the entire set of arguments for, are made starting with the words “what about xxxxxxx situation.”  Drawing comparisons is how we determine if we are treating things fairly and if they should be treated fairly. Shutting down comparisons to other events/topics in my opinion tells me the main arguments being made lack merit or doesn’t fit the narrative one wants to promote.

I find it interesting that some folks are losing their minds that the country is falling apart for a whole different set of reasons than I think it’s falling apart. I’m frustrated that this is the best we have to offer for our countries leaders. 

Buckwoody Egger

That video seems cultish with the rah rah generalities and us vs them conspiracy take.  No interest in him or whoever his opposite version is. 

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

Botch said:

A quick inflation summary; be glad we're not in Turkey.
 
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=U5OfMa6NfX0

He laid out a very convincing case showing that Biden worked with China to manipulate the markets and cause massive world wide inflation to weaken everyone and strengthen China.  

I‘m convinced!

JohnInCarolina

Buckwoody Egger said:

That video seems cultish with the rah rah generalities and us vs them conspiracy take.  No interest in him or whoever his opposite version is. 

Like anything, there are facts behind the assertions.  That’s the only thing that matters.

JohnInCarolina

FarmingPhD said:

Sitting here waiting for a kids softball game to start, I want to share some thoughts as I have read this thread, albeit took me a few days to since I started reading it on Sunday.

I am a conservative Christian that is sorely disappointed in the actions of the folks involved on January 6th. It was embarrassing to our country and those involved should be prosecuted according to the law.  I however do not think this was a coup attempt and can’t take it seriously as such considering the lack of preparedness of the folks who are being accused of a coup attempt. Maybe there will be actual hard facts that support this over the coming weeks, but a coup of Insurrection would require substantial evidence.  

One thing that was discussed on Fox News was the lack of congressional hearings lack cross examination that builds or destroys credibility of witnesses and that the long standing tradition of the side in charge sets the narrative is why a majority of the country will pay less attention than they should.  I have to say I agree with this after watching 2 decades worth of hearings for different topics occur.  Considering the country has watched the same people attempt to impeach Trump twice, both times lacking necessary evidence with partisan prosecution, why would they pay attention.  

There was a comment made in this thread that “what about isms” are a worthless argument.  I want to just try and convey some thoughts that I hope I can convey with thoughtfulness.

How we view similar crimes/sins/injustices but in different situations is telling of our world view and moral standards.  Comparing the riots on the capitol to other riots and expecting at least prosecution is o the extent of the law. If what about isms are junk arguments then things like abortion are a dead argument as the entire set of arguments for, are made starting with the words “what about xxxxxxx situation.”  Drawing comparisons is how we determine if we are treating things fairly and if they should be treated fairly. Shutting down comparisons to other events/topics in my opinion tells me the main arguments being made lack merit or doesn’t fit the narrative one wants to promote.

I find it interesting that some folks are losing their minds that the country is falling apart for a whole different set of reasons than I think it’s falling apart. I’m frustrated that this is the best we have to offer for our countries leaders. 

With all due respect, my recommendation would be that you turn off Fox News.  For what it’s worth, I don’t watch any cable news.  Their goal isn’t to inform, it’s to entertain or enrage.  Therein lies the rub.

alaskanassasin

JohnInCarolina said:

FarmingPhD said:

Sitting here waiting for a kids softball game to start, I want to share some thoughts as I have read this thread, albeit took me a few days to since I started reading it on Sunday.

I am a conservative Christian that is sorely disappointed in the actions of the folks involved on January 6th. It was embarrassing to our country and those involved should be prosecuted according to the law.  I however do not think this was a coup attempt and can’t take it seriously as such considering the lack of preparedness of the folks who are being accused of a coup attempt. Maybe there will be actual hard facts that support this over the coming weeks, but a coup of Insurrection would require substantial evidence.  

One thing that was discussed on Fox News was the lack of congressional hearings lack cross examination that builds or destroys credibility of witnesses and that the long standing tradition of the side in charge sets the narrative is why a majority of the country will pay less attention than they should.  I have to say I agree with this after watching 2 decades worth of hearings for different topics occur.  Considering the country has watched the same people attempt to impeach Trump twice, both times lacking necessary evidence with partisan prosecution, why would they pay attention.  

There was a comment made in this thread that “what about isms” are a worthless argument.  I want to just try and convey some thoughts that I hope I can convey with thoughtfulness.

How we view similar crimes/sins/injustices but in different situations is telling of our world view and moral standards.  Comparing the riots on the capitol to other riots and expecting at least prosecution is o the extent of the law. If what about isms are junk arguments then things like abortion are a dead argument as the entire set of arguments for, are made starting with the words “what about xxxxxxx situation.”  Drawing comparisons is how we determine if we are treating things fairly and if they should be treated fairly. Shutting down comparisons to other events/topics in my opinion tells me the main arguments being made lack merit or doesn’t fit the narrative one wants to promote.

I find it interesting that some folks are losing their minds that the country is falling apart for a whole different set of reasons than I think it’s falling apart. I’m frustrated that this is the best we have to offer for our countries leaders. 

With all due respect, my recommendation would be that you turn off Fox News.  For what it’s worth, I don’t watch any cable news.  Their goal isn’t to inform, it’s to entertain or enrage.  Therein lies the rub.

There he is.

JohnInCarolina

alaskanassasin said:

JohnInCarolina said:

FarmingPhD said:

Sitting here waiting for a kids softball game to start, I want to share some thoughts as I have read this thread, albeit took me a few days to since I started reading it on Sunday.

I am a conservative Christian that is sorely disappointed in the actions of the folks involved on January 6th. It was embarrassing to our country and those involved should be prosecuted according to the law.  I however do not think this was a coup attempt and can’t take it seriously as such considering the lack of preparedness of the folks who are being accused of a coup attempt. Maybe there will be actual hard facts that support this over the coming weeks, but a coup of Insurrection would require substantial evidence.  

One thing that was discussed on Fox News was the lack of congressional hearings lack cross examination that builds or destroys credibility of witnesses and that the long standing tradition of the side in charge sets the narrative is why a majority of the country will pay less attention than they should.  I have to say I agree with this after watching 2 decades worth of hearings for different topics occur.  Considering the country has watched the same people attempt to impeach Trump twice, both times lacking necessary evidence with partisan prosecution, why would they pay attention.  

There was a comment made in this thread that “what about isms” are a worthless argument.  I want to just try and convey some thoughts that I hope I can convey with thoughtfulness.

How we view similar crimes/sins/injustices but in different situations is telling of our world view and moral standards.  Comparing the riots on the capitol to other riots and expecting at least prosecution is o the extent of the law. If what about isms are junk arguments then things like abortion are a dead argument as the entire set of arguments for, are made starting with the words “what about xxxxxxx situation.”  Drawing comparisons is how we determine if we are treating things fairly and if they should be treated fairly. Shutting down comparisons to other events/topics in my opinion tells me the main arguments being made lack merit or doesn’t fit the narrative one wants to promote.

I find it interesting that some folks are losing their minds that the country is falling apart for a whole different set of reasons than I think it’s falling apart. I’m frustrated that this is the best we have to offer for our countries leaders. 

With all due respect, my recommendation would be that you turn off Fox News.  For what it’s worth, I don’t watch any cable news.  Their goal isn’t to inform, it’s to entertain or enrage.  Therein lies the rub.

There he is.

Am I wrong? 

Botch

Ozzie_Isaac said:
He laid out a very convincing case showing that Biden worked with China to manipulate the markets and cause massive world wide inflation to weaken everyone and strengthen China.  The one link he should have laid a bit more clearly was the one from H Biden's laptop showing they are doing it for their own enrichment.

I am surprised you linked to such an indictment of Biden and China.

I've watched most of his videos for, what, the last two years or so, and I've missed that one.  Do you have a link Ozzie?  tia

FarmingPhD

JohnInCarolina said:

FarmingPhD said:

Sitting here waiting for a kids softball game to start, I want to share some thoughts as I have read this thread, albeit took me a few days to since I started reading it on Sunday.

I am a conservative Christian that is sorely disappointed in the actions of the folks involved on January 6th. It was embarrassing to our country and those involved should be prosecuted according to the law.  I however do not think this was a coup attempt and can’t take it seriously as such considering the lack of preparedness of the folks who are being accused of a coup attempt. Maybe there will be actual hard facts that support this over the coming weeks, but a coup of Insurrection would require substantial evidence.  

One thing that was discussed on Fox News was the lack of congressional hearings lack cross examination that builds or destroys credibility of witnesses and that the long standing tradition of the side in charge sets the narrative is why a majority of the country will pay less attention than they should.  I have to say I agree with this after watching 2 decades worth of hearings for different topics occur.  Considering the country has watched the same people attempt to impeach Trump twice, both times lacking necessary evidence with partisan prosecution, why would they pay attention.  

There was a comment made in this thread that “what about isms” are a worthless argument.  I want to just try and convey some thoughts that I hope I can convey with thoughtfulness.

How we view similar crimes/sins/injustices but in different situations is telling of our world view and moral standards.  Comparing the riots on the capitol to other riots and expecting at least prosecution is o the extent of the law. If what about isms are junk arguments then things like abortion are a dead argument as the entire set of arguments for, are made starting with the words “what about xxxxxxx situation.”  Drawing comparisons is how we determine if we are treating things fairly and if they should be treated fairly. Shutting down comparisons to other events/topics in my opinion tells me the main arguments being made lack merit or doesn’t fit the narrative one wants to promote.

I find it interesting that some folks are losing their minds that the country is falling apart for a whole different set of reasons than I think it’s falling apart. I’m frustrated that this is the best we have to offer for our countries leaders. 

With all due respect, my recommendation would be that you turn off Fox News.  For what it’s worth, I don’t watch any cable news.  Their goal isn’t to inform, it’s to entertain or enrage.  Therein lies the rub.

John- I don’t watch cable news, was a headline out of news feed that was interesting and stopped for the 3 minute clip that was thought provoking. I skim google news feed several times a day that usually has multiple sources for the same topic/headline.  If that’s all you picked up on, really nothing else to discuss.

Botch

Buckwoody Egger said:

That video seems cultish with the rah rah generalities and us vs them conspiracy take.  No interest in him or whoever his opposite version is. 

I tried to find the Deutsche Bank report he referenced, and couldn't (yet).  I did find this brief article on Axios (a site I know little about) that confirmed the report and the major points Beau mentioned from that report:  https://www.axios.com/2022/06/13/inflation-rates-around-world-us-china-eu-japan
... and the salient points were also mentioned on Barron's, but the rest of the article was behind a paywall.  
I have searched out things he's mentioned several times, and except for one subject, he was spot-on.  
 
As far as "cultish", "rah rah generalities" and "conspiracy take", I'm not seeing what you're seeing.  And that's okay, I guess.  Have a good evening.  

Buckwoody Egger

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

That video seems cultish with the rah rah generalities and us vs them conspiracy take.  No interest in him or whoever his opposite version is. 

Like anything, there are facts behind the assertions.  That’s the only thing that matters.

Sorry not interested. 

JohnInCarolina

Buckwoody Egger said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Buckwoody Egger said:

That video seems cultish with the rah rah generalities and us vs them conspiracy take.  No interest in him or whoever his opposite version is. 

Like anything, there are facts behind the assertions.  That’s the only thing that matters.

Sorry not interested. 

And that’s the problem, isn’t it?  We stop at what’s inconvenient.

JohnInCarolina

FarmingPhD said:

JohnInCarolina said:

FarmingPhD said:

Sitting here waiting for a kids softball game to start, I want to share some thoughts as I have read this thread, albeit took me a few days to since I started reading it on Sunday.

I am a conservative Christian that is sorely disappointed in the actions of the folks involved on January 6th. It was embarrassing to our country and those involved should be prosecuted according to the law.  I however do not think this was a coup attempt and can’t take it seriously as such considering the lack of preparedness of the folks who are being accused of a coup attempt. Maybe there will be actual hard facts that support this over the coming weeks, but a coup of Insurrection would require substantial evidence.  

One thing that was discussed on Fox News was the lack of congressional hearings lack cross examination that builds or destroys credibility of witnesses and that the long standing tradition of the side in charge sets the narrative is why a majority of the country will pay less attention than they should.  I have to say I agree with this after watching 2 decades worth of hearings for different topics occur.  Considering the country has watched the same people attempt to impeach Trump twice, both times lacking necessary evidence with partisan prosecution, why would they pay attention.  

There was a comment made in this thread that “what about isms” are a worthless argument.  I want to just try and convey some thoughts that I hope I can convey with thoughtfulness.

How we view similar crimes/sins/injustices but in different situations is telling of our world view and moral standards.  Comparing the riots on the capitol to other riots and expecting at least prosecution is o the extent of the law. If what about isms are junk arguments then things like abortion are a dead argument as the entire set of arguments for, are made starting with the words “what about xxxxxxx situation.”  Drawing comparisons is how we determine if we are treating things fairly and if they should be treated fairly. Shutting down comparisons to other events/topics in my opinion tells me the main arguments being made lack merit or doesn’t fit the narrative one wants to promote.

I find it interesting that some folks are losing their minds that the country is falling apart for a whole different set of reasons than I think it’s falling apart. I’m frustrated that this is the best we have to offer for our countries leaders. 

With all due respect, my recommendation would be that you turn off Fox News.  For what it’s worth, I don’t watch any cable news.  Their goal isn’t to inform, it’s to entertain or enrage.  Therein lies the rub.

John- I don’t watch cable news, was a headline out of news feed that was interesting and stopped for the 3 minute clip that was thought provoking. I skim google news feed several times a day that usually has multiple sources for the same topic/headline.  If that’s all you picked up on, really nothing else to discuss.

I read the whole thing and I think I understand your point of view.  I am just trying to be respectful.

Botch

Beliefs are more important than facts.  Or at least stronger.