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fishlessman

dmchicago said:

fishlessman said:

dmchicago said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

made obama look like an idiot, making biden look like an idiot, trump well....he could do that on his own

How is he making Biden look like an idiot?  

putin is going to do what he wants, and it looks like hes taking the never argue with an idiot approach. just the other day he took the yes, im pulling my troops back, now he is using the peace keeping approach of invasion. whats biden doing, we will have sanctions approach, putin dont care. next up, take the flags off the soldiers invading, whose soldiers are those approach....its worked before

SO, what should Biden be doing?

i suppose nothing, he is good at that, do what he knows, then we can watch china do the same. wish he had some advisors in dc, a way to come up with some better ideas.........i know,  blame trump

Next level response. Thanks.

my only point is that biden  looks like an idiot compared to putin. maybe using the cnn blame trump response was a little lame.....

lousubcap

Getting NATO in line with sanctions is about the only play Biden has.  There is no way (and never was) that the US or NATO would commit troops into Ukraine.  That's why Putin has calculated the pain of the sanctions and the gain of controlling Ukraine and rolled in.  As pointed out in a good read provided above by @JohnInCarolina, time is the only variable.
Now China- clearly watching and weighing the Wests' (especially the US) response with the eye on Taiwan.  US commitments to Taiwan are much stronger.  The Chinese are well aware but enhanced provoking is likely gonna happen in the near-term.  The Chinese clearly have their sights on Taiwan but the long game plays in their favor.  FWIW-

Gulfcoastguy

Try JohnInCarolina said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

An evil, despicable, tyrant can also be clever and savvy. Acting like he is an idiot is underestimating him and can lead to expensive consequences.

I haven't seen anyone here suggest Putin is an idiot, but perhaps I've missed something.  

Try reading the first sentence also.

fishlessman

lousubcap said:

Getting NATO in line with sanctions is about the only play Biden has.  There is no way (and never was) that the US or NATO would commit troops into Ukraine.  That's why Putin has calculated the pain of the sanctions and the gain of controlling Ukraine and rolled in.  As pointed out in a good read provided above by @JohnInCarolina, time is the only variable.
Now China- clearly watching and weighing the Wests' (especially the US) response with the eye on Taiwan.  US commitments to Taiwan are much stronger.  The Chinese are well aware but enhanced provoking is likely gonna happen in the near-term.  The Chinese clearly have their sights on Taiwan but the long game plays in their favor.  FWIW-

i agree, but putins game adds making nato and biden look like fools. he knows exactly what he is doing

dmchicago

fishlessman said:

dmchicago said:

fishlessman said:

dmchicago said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

made obama look like an idiot, making biden look like an idiot, trump well....he could do that on his own

How is he making Biden look like an idiot?  

putin is going to do what he wants, and it looks like hes taking the never argue with an idiot approach. just the other day he took the yes, im pulling my troops back, now he is using the peace keeping approach of invasion. whats biden doing, we will have sanctions approach, putin dont care. next up, take the flags off the soldiers invading, whose soldiers are those approach....its worked before

SO, what should Biden be doing?

i suppose nothing, he is good at that, do what he knows, then we can watch china do the same. wish he had some advisors in dc, a way to come up with some better ideas.........i know,  blame trump

Next level response. Thanks.

my only point is that biden  looks like an idiot compared to putin. maybe using the cnn blame trump response was a little lame.....

Yeah, it blows that we’re stuck with Biden while Russia gets Putin. 

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

made obama look like an idiot, making biden look like an idiot, trump well....he could do that on his own

How is he making Biden look like an idiot?  

putin is going to do what he wants, and it looks like hes taking the never argue with an idiot approach. just the other day he took the yes, im pulling my troops back, now he is using the peace keeping approach of invasion. whats biden doing, we will have sanctions approach, putin dont care. next up, take the flags off the soldiers invading, whose soldiers are those approach....its worked before

Word salad here, Fish.

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

dmchicago said:

fishlessman said:

dmchicago said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

made obama look like an idiot, making biden look like an idiot, trump well....he could do that on his own

How is he making Biden look like an idiot?  

putin is going to do what he wants, and it looks like hes taking the never argue with an idiot approach. just the other day he took the yes, im pulling my troops back, now he is using the peace keeping approach of invasion. whats biden doing, we will have sanctions approach, putin dont care. next up, take the flags off the soldiers invading, whose soldiers are those approach....its worked before

SO, what should Biden be doing?

i suppose nothing, he is good at that, do what he knows, then we can watch china do the same. wish he had some advisors in dc, a way to come up with some better ideas.........i know,  blame trump

Next level response. Thanks.

my only point is that biden  looks like an idiot compared to putin. maybe using the cnn blame trump response was a little lame.....

Yeah I really don’t think you’ve made that point.  

JohnInCarolina

Gulfcoastguy said:

Try JohnInCarolina said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

An evil, despicable, tyrant can also be clever and savvy. Acting like he is an idiot is underestimating him and can lead to expensive consequences.

I haven't seen anyone here suggest Putin is an idiot, but perhaps I've missed something.  

Try reading the first sentence also.

I did.  Nobody’s debating that point either.  

JohnInCarolina

Some of the early posts in this thread… whoo boy.  They have not aged well.

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1496660854669991937?s=20&t=kT11dOr187X-C8y1ou4SmA

Kayak

JohnInCarolina said:

Some of the early posts in this thread… whoo boy.  They have not aged well.

Thanks for the shoutout! I think mine hold up, as they didn’t say the Russians wouldn’t invade. I took the tack that we were in danger of that happening, and that from their perspective it might seem necessary. So, prescient really. Don’t know how much of an invasion it is yet, but fingers crossed (that it doesn’t get worse).

Kayak

JohnInCarolina said:

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1496660854669991937?s=20&t=kT11dOr187X-C8y1ou4SmA

I think the real interpretation of their position is that they want to ignore Russia so we can get on with the warmongering against China. We’ll need all our resources to destroy them. I don’t get the right wing hate of China when all the big US companies are making money by the shipload over there.

JohnInCarolina

Kayak said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Some of the early posts in this thread… whoo boy.  They have not aged well.

Thanks for the shoutout! I think mine hold up, as they didn’t say the Russians wouldn’t invade. I took the tack that we were in danger of that happening, and that from their perspective it might seem necessary. So, prescient really. Don’t know how much of an invasion it is yet, but fingers crossed (that it doesn’t get worse).

Right, right.  Sure.  Very prescient.  

JohnInCarolina

Kayak said:

JohnInCarolina said:

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1496660854669991937?s=20&t=kT11dOr187X-C8y1ou4SmA

I think the real interpretation of their position is that they want to ignore Russia so we can get on with the warmongering against China. We’ll need all our resources to destroy them. I don’t get the right wing hate of China when all the big US companies are making money by the shipload over there.

Seems clear it was the part about Ukraine being a pure client state of the US State Department that’s being referenced in that tweet.  

lousubcap

Wondering the spin when the more intense shoot 'em up gets rolling in the State Department client Ukraine 🇺🇦??  Never mind the rip thru the financial markets...and you think the current downward trend is a challenge??  Hang on.  

JohnInCarolina

JohnInCarolina

Reports of missile strikes inside Kiev.  Terrible.  

JohnInCarolina

Obviously this was not about forestalling NATO membership.  Hopefully we can put that nonsense to rest.

nolaegghead

Just about every Western democratic country has expressed solidarity against Putin…. With the exception of the republicans who are gushing about how Putin is a strong, clever genius.  Do these people know that tens or hundreds of thousands of innocent people could needlessly die?  WTF?!

nolaegghead

https://twitter.com/i/status/149670504435984384

Eoin

I didn't think he'd do the full invasion because of the economic consequences. Putin's gambling that we'll all go soft in the end and he'll get away with it.

JohnInCarolina

We do have our fair share of useful idiots over here.

JohnInCarolina

http://twitter.com/atrupar/status/1496698759459262467?s=20&t=WFmKeiqHmrLyvvD-vqCU5Q

lousubcap

You can't make that stuff up.  And to think the hold he has with the base.  

fishlessman

might as well take poland next....

HeavyG

Eoin said:

I didn't think he'd do the full invasion because of the economic consequences. Putin's gambling that we'll all go soft in the end and he'll get away with it.

I had the same take.

He may well be right about the sanctions not having enough teeth to do much damage. Getting most of the large Western countries to agree to the same punitive measures against Russia and Russian citizens (and not just the oligarchs) likely won't be easy as the cost to the Western economies could be quite high.

Gulfcoastguy

And now Russian forces hold the cargo airport right outside Kiev. That allows them to bring in airborne forces including armor. The Ukraine had better be dispersing and hiding their government.

HeavyG

Gulfcoastguy said:

And now Russian forces hold the cargo airport right outside Kiev. That allows them to bring in airborne forces including armor. The Ukraine had better be dispersing and hiding their government.

FTFY

Gulfcoastguy

HeavyG said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

And now Russian forces hold the cargo airport right outside Kiev. That allows them to bring in airborne forces including armor. The Ukraine had better be dispersing and hiding their government.

FTFY

That was your concern with the post?

HeavyG

Gulfcoastguy said:

HeavyG said:

Gulfcoastguy said:

And now Russian forces hold the cargo airport right outside Kiev. That allows them to bring in airborne forces including armor. The Ukraine had better be dispersing and hiding their government.

FTFY

That was your concern with the post?

Yes. Seeing the country referred to as "the Ukraine" is one of those little things that makes my eye twitch.  Just like seeing "US Navy Seals" or "irregardless" or many others. Twitch inducing.