Michigan Wins!

BSR

JohnInCarolina said:

BSR said:

PigBeanUs said:

BSR said:

Just like the rest of the libs. Do as we say, not as we do.


On editing; selective editing is just wrong, there is no justification other than lewd comments. If the thread doesn't fit the forum delete it. Don't add to the already China style censorship that is the social medial world these days.

“Do as we say, not as we do” is a lib thing?

you red hats have a lot of divorced, aborting, child-molesting, tax-cheating, utterly un-religious types in your midst. 

Hypocrisy isn’t owned by any one party. 

Clean your house before you take the high road. 

The most hypocritical people tend to sing loudest at church. 

And if you think this site is run by libs, you haven’t been paying attention. 

Fair enough should have said I'm a libertarian. Plenty of republican s**theads out there as well. As far as I'm concerned if you're paid by taxes you can f*** off.

So... anyone in the military then?

The US public owns something like 40% of the guns in the world. Almost every major conflict we've been in in my lifetime is a mistake. The military budget is at least 10x what it should be.

Maybe I wouldn't take 100% of the goverment away but probably 95%. When you consider what we spend per household per year you have to be insane to think it's ok.

HeavyG

BSR said:

JohnInCarolina said:

BSR said:

PigBeanUs said:

BSR said:

Just like the rest of the libs. Do as we say, not as we do.


On editing; selective editing is just wrong, there is no justification other than lewd comments. If the thread doesn't fit the forum delete it. Don't add to the already China style censorship that is the social medial world these days.

“Do as we say, not as we do” is a lib thing?

you red hats have a lot of divorced, aborting, child-molesting, tax-cheating, utterly un-religious types in your midst. 

Hypocrisy isn’t owned by any one party. 

Clean your house before you take the high road. 

The most hypocritical people tend to sing loudest at church. 

And if you think this site is run by libs, you haven’t been paying attention. 

Fair enough should have said I'm a libertarian. Plenty of republican s**theads out there as well. As far as I'm concerned if you're paid by taxes you can f*** off.

So... anyone in the military then?

The US public owns something like 40% of the guns in the world. Almost every major conflict we've been in in my lifetime is a mistake. The military budget is at least 10x what it should be.

Maybe I wouldn't take 100% of the goverment away but probably 95%. When you consider what we spend per household per year you have to be insane to think it's ok.

How old are you?

BSR

HeavyG said:

BSR said:

JohnInCarolina said:

BSR said:

PigBeanUs said:

BSR said:

Just like the rest of the libs. Do as we say, not as we do.


On editing; selective editing is just wrong, there is no justification other than lewd comments. If the thread doesn't fit the forum delete it. Don't add to the already China style censorship that is the social medial world these days.

“Do as we say, not as we do” is a lib thing?

you red hats have a lot of divorced, aborting, child-molesting, tax-cheating, utterly un-religious types in your midst. 

Hypocrisy isn’t owned by any one party. 

Clean your house before you take the high road. 

The most hypocritical people tend to sing loudest at church. 

And if you think this site is run by libs, you haven’t been paying attention. 

Fair enough should have said I'm a libertarian. Plenty of republican s**theads out there as well. As far as I'm concerned if you're paid by taxes you can f*** off.

So... anyone in the military then?

The US public owns something like 40% of the guns in the world. Almost every major conflict we've been in in my lifetime is a mistake. The military budget is at least 10x what it should be.

Maybe I wouldn't take 100% of the goverment away but probably 95%. When you consider what we spend per household per year you have to be insane to think it's ok.

How old are you?

Old enough to know the goverment shouldn't need 40%+ of our income to function (much higher if you add it all up). Also old enough to argue with opinions and facts instead of nonsense and insults which seems to be common here...

The US debt per capita is something like 70k increasing at 7k a year, 10k soon with the new spending plan. Imagine that as a household budget. How old are the voters? Get a grip.

HeavyG

BSR said:

HeavyG said:

BSR said:

JohnInCarolina said:

BSR said:

PigBeanUs said:

BSR said:

Just like the rest of the libs. Do as we say, not as we do.


On editing; selective editing is just wrong, there is no justification other than lewd comments. If the thread doesn't fit the forum delete it. Don't add to the already China style censorship that is the social medial world these days.

“Do as we say, not as we do” is a lib thing?

you red hats have a lot of divorced, aborting, child-molesting, tax-cheating, utterly un-religious types in your midst. 

Hypocrisy isn’t owned by any one party. 

Clean your house before you take the high road. 

The most hypocritical people tend to sing loudest at church. 

And if you think this site is run by libs, you haven’t been paying attention. 

Fair enough should have said I'm a libertarian. Plenty of republican s**theads out there as well. As far as I'm concerned if you're paid by taxes you can f*** off.

So... anyone in the military then?

The US public owns something like 40% of the guns in the world. Almost every major conflict we've been in in my lifetime is a mistake. The military budget is at least 10x what it should be.

Maybe I wouldn't take 100% of the goverment away but probably 95%. When you consider what we spend per household per year you have to be insane to think it's ok.

How old are you?

Old enough to know the goverment shouldn't need 40%+ of our income to function (much higher if you add it all up). Also old enough to argue with opinions and facts instead of nonsense and insults which seems to be common here...

The US debt per capita is something like 70k increasing at 7k a year, 10k soon with the new spending plan. Imagine that as a household budget. How old are the voters? Get a grip.

OK.

So...how old are you? Serious question, just curious.

nolaegghead

Somalia has no income tax, no gun laws (or laws of any kind, really) and you can do pretty much whatever you want.  But so can everyone else. 

Eoin

kl8ton said:

nolaegghead said:

Michigan is getting extra vaccine because the outbreak is so severe there.  I'm surprised you haven't heard of the B117 variant, as it's been all over the news for months and has caused a massive wave in Europe and was predicted long ago to spread and do the same in the US.  And that's where we are, at the beginning of that wave.  Not hearing of it makes me assume you either don't read the news or watch it, or maybe in lieu of right wing political propaganda, which doesn't really talk about it, at least from a public health perspective.

So the vaccine protects you from the variant then?  

The Kent variant came from here. We are now at 50% one shot of vaccine, 12% two shots. Non-essential retail and outdoor bar space opens today. The rates are falling fast and, more importantly, deaths and hospitalisations are falling fast. Mostly AZ vaccine here, some Pfizer. The vaccine definitely works against that variant. There is talk of a follow up vaccination booster in the autumn - not sure if that's to keep the antibodies high or to address new variant issues. Cases in the rest of Europe, where the vaccination rate is mostly still low, are high again.

JohnInCarolina

BSR said:

JohnInCarolina said:

BSR said:

PigBeanUs said:

BSR said:

Just like the rest of the libs. Do as we say, not as we do.


On editing; selective editing is just wrong, there is no justification other than lewd comments. If the thread doesn't fit the forum delete it. Don't add to the already China style censorship that is the social medial world these days.

“Do as we say, not as we do” is a lib thing?

you red hats have a lot of divorced, aborting, child-molesting, tax-cheating, utterly un-religious types in your midst. 

Hypocrisy isn’t owned by any one party. 

Clean your house before you take the high road. 

The most hypocritical people tend to sing loudest at church. 

And if you think this site is run by libs, you haven’t been paying attention. 

Fair enough should have said I'm a libertarian. Plenty of republican s**theads out there as well. As far as I'm concerned if you're paid by taxes you can f*** off.

So... anyone in the military then?

The US public owns something like 40% of the guns in the world. Almost every major conflict we've been in in my lifetime is a mistake. The military budget is at least 10x what it should be.

Maybe I wouldn't take 100% of the goverment away but probably 95%. When you consider what we spend per household per year you have to be insane to think it's ok.

I think debates around the size of the government, military, etc. are fine.  I just don’t know why anyone would take the view that if someone is “paid by taxes they can fuckk off”.  That seems a little ridiculous, to put it mildly.

nolaegghead

queue the "flat taxers" and the "flat earthers"....

BSR

nolaegghead said:

queue the "flat taxers" and the "flat earthers"....

Ah yes because a theoretical potential tax system and flat earth are the same...

Really great point bringing up one of the poorest countries in the world with a completely failed goverment. Basically the direct equivalent of me saying "look at North Korea, perfect gun control, all the laws and state run programs you could dream of"... See how stupid that sounds?

Just for the laughs sake looking at the two extremes I'd take the freedom and danger of Somalia over the extreme control of NK if those were my options.

@JohnInCarolina I did give 5% a reprieve. I think that is more than enough don't you?

BSR

OK.

So...how old are you? Serious question, just curious.

37... Really bringing a lot to the thread aren't you.

nolaegghead

You already know everything.  What's the point in discussing it with you?  There's the union in the venn.

Let's bbq some f*ckin' meat now.

JohnInCarolina

BSR said:

@JohnInCarolina I did give 5% a reprieve. I think that is more than enough don't you?

You're obviously missing the point.  

BSR

JohnInCarolina said:

BSR said:

@JohnInCarolina I did give 5% a reprieve. I think that is more than enough don't you?

You're obviously missing the point.  

You haven't made one... Liberals love to have a little echo chamber discussion or laugh at dumb rednecks but this is the typical shut down you get when anyone actually challenges a point with logic. Nothing but jokes, gifs, and jabs.

BSR

nolaegghead said:

You already know everything.  What's the point in discussing it with you?  There's the union in the venn.

Let's bbq some f*ckin' meat now.

Did you really go from using Flat Earth and Somalia to union in the venn?

We probably a agree on lots of things. I think abortions and contraceptives should be provided "free" by the state, I think church has no business in the government, I'm extremely anti war, I'm perfectly fine with a consumption tax and heavy taxes on any pollutant/waste.

Lots we could find in common. It's when you start trying to control others or take money from the productive and give it to the lazy that we start to drift.

JohnInCarolina

BSR said:

JohnInCarolina said:

BSR said:

@JohnInCarolina I did give 5% a reprieve. I think that is more than enough don't you?

You're obviously missing the point.  

You haven't made one... Liberals love to have a little echo chamber discussion or laugh at dumb rednecks but this is the typical shut down you get when anyone actually challenges a point with logic. Nothing but jokes, gifs, and jabs.

Yes, you are right.

dbCooper

BSR said:

JohnInCarolina said:

BSR said:

@JohnInCarolina I did give 5% a reprieve. I think that is more than enough don't you?

You're obviously missing the point.  

You haven't made one... Liberals love to have a little echo chamber discussion or laugh at dumb rednecks but this is the typical shut down you get when anyone actually challenges a point with logic. Nothing but jokes, gifs, and jabs.

@BSR  You seem to paint with a very wide paintbrush.  Stereotypes and generalizations typically do not add value to rational discussions.

nolaegghead

Libertarians are half left-wing, half right-wing.  Sure, on some social issues, probably a few other things, there's commonality. 

If this Shangri-La is so ideal, why are there a total of ZERO countries that have tried it? 

I know the answer to this.  Can you figure it out?

Eoin

Civilised society is not libertarian.

Eoin

nolaegghead said:

Libertarians are half left-wing, half right-wing.  Sure, on some social issues, probably a few other things, there's commonality. 

If this Shangri-La is so ideal, why are there a total of ZERO countries that have tried it? 

I know the answer to this.  Can you figure it out?

I saw the leader of the UK libertarian party being interviewed once. He said directly that the libertarian ideal was simply that, an ideal, and not actually workable or what people want. His argument was that they pushed policy towards smaller government and hoped to make an impact on the debate about the size of the state. Never seen him on TV since. Idealism is a bit pointless, as seen with communism.

HeavyG

BSR said:

OK.

So...how old are you? Serious question, just curious.

37... Really bringing a lot to the thread aren't you.

So a few years older than I guessed.

I used to be a dues paying member of the Libertarian Party for about 15 years. Quit any involvement with the party about 30 years ago. Why? I grew up.

While there is a lot of libertarian thought I can agree with as a philosophical starting point not much of it really offers pragmatic solutions in real life.

For instance, it is perhaps not unreasonable to say that a person is worth whatever they are willing to work for and the government should have no say in the matter. However, given the power imbalance that thousands of years of human experience shows us it is more reasonable that the government have some involvement in at least trying to limit the total exploitation of the common working person.

After a while one gets tired of the new annual crop of young Ayn Rand fans coming along and spouting out the same bullsh!t about how drivers licenses are an unconstitutional infringement on our rights or how every road should be a private toll road, yadda yadda, yadda.

While I no longer consider myself to be either a Libertarian or a libertarian I continue to subscribe to Reason magazine, as I have done for the last 40 years. On the other hand I have also been a subscriber for the last 40 years to Mother Jones magazine (I'll bet the overlap in that venn diagram is microscopic). So go figure.

My bottom line is I'll side with Oliver Wendell Holmes Jr. who said - "Taxes are what we pay for a civilized society." Living in a "Walking Dead" sort of free for all has no appeal to me.

BSR

Libertarians aren't anarchists...

nolaegghead

Anarcho-capitalism results in huge GINI coefficients which leads to revolution. 

That's really all you need to know on why it's just a pipe dream.

Terpderpitude

BSR said:

PigBeanUs said:

BSR said:

Just like the rest of the libs. Do as we say, not as we do.


On editing; selective editing is just wrong, there is no justification other than lewd comments. If the thread doesn't fit the forum delete it. Don't add to the already China style censorship that is the social medial world these days.

“Do as we say, not as we do” is a lib thing?

you red hats have a lot of divorced, aborting, child-molesting, tax-cheating, utterly un-religious types in your midst. 

Hypocrisy isn’t owned by any one party. 

Clean your house before you take the high road. 

The most hypocritical people tend to sing loudest at church. 

And if you think this site is run by libs, you haven’t been paying attention. 

Fair enough should have said I'm a libertarian. Plenty of republican s**theads out there as well. As far as I'm concerned if you're paid by taxes you can f*** off.

That said liberals are waaaaay worse these days. This is from someone who voted for Obama his first term. Republicans aren't the ones putting my friends out of work with the worthless restrictions while they ignore them though.

I know that edit was liberal like most are. Can't say I know who runs the site. 

"Most hypocritical sing the loudest"... All I want to do is leave you alone. Too much to ask for the same in return?

You sound more like one of those glibertarians than anything else. 

BSR

You sound more like one of those glibertarians than anything else. 

More insults with no content...nolaegghead said:

Anarcho-capitalism results in huge GINI coefficients which leads to revolution. 

That's really all you need to know on why it's just a pipe dream.

And how is what we have now working? Pretty close to that now huh?

JohnInCarolina

Yes, we are on the precipice of revolution.  Any day now... 

Good Lord.  

nolaegghead

BSR said:

You sound more like one of those glibertarians than anything else. 

More insults with no content...nolaegghead said:

Anarcho-capitalism results in huge GINI coefficients which leads to revolution. 

That's really all you need to know on why it's just a pipe dream.

And how is what we have now working? Pretty close to that now huh?

Pretty much the Darwinian evolution of governance is what you see now.  Like the coronavirus, what you see happening in Europe is what we're lagging behind by some number of years.  If you want to see what stability looks like, research the various "happiness" indexes by country, then look at that country's governance.  When things tilt too far one way or another, there's pushback.  When there's a failure of law, there's some type of autocracy and fascism.

I think one of the fundamental failures of libertarianism is the assumption everyone, in the absence of regulation, will follow an arbitrary moral code in some kind of honor system.   History has shown this almost never happens.  Look at our system, it almost broke this last election cycle.  

JohnInCarolina

Doesn't the Nuge live in Michigan?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ted-nugent-lockdowns-covid-1-18/

nolaegghead

JohnInCarolina said:

Doesn't the Nuge live in Michigan?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ted-nugent-lockdowns-covid-1-18/

WeberWho

JohnInCarolina said:

Doesn't the Nuge live in Michigan?

https://www.snopes.com/fact-check/ted-nugent-lockdowns-covid-1-18/

I believe he was born in Michigan and lives on a big ranch in Texas. 

BSR

JohnInCarolina said:

Yes, we are on the precipice of revolution.  Any day now... 

Good Lord.  

According to democrats insurgents just overran the capital building, no?

Although I was actually referring to our current system that is increasing the disparity between the rich and the poor with corporate favoritism, not to mention the dramatic wealth transfer caused by ineffective restrictions and shut downs.