Empty those pockets

billt01

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Right.  The terrorists just decided they wanted to kill fewer people that day.

good one Bruh ..

billt01

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

Phaqallyall

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

billt01

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

fishlessman

HeavyG said:

fishlessman said:

anyways....a friend of mine back 30 years shot himself in the heart after finding out he had a week or two to live, but my brother was stabbed, a roommate was stabbed, an employee here that had just gotten fired was stabbed to death, and on my way to school one day i came across 2 gangs in a brutal knife fight.......the govt math isnt adding up here..... i know, things have changed, its not the 80's

the roommate stabbing was spectacular, gut wound and he was standing behind a large fan

and should a gang fight with knives be considered  a mass stabbing

When is your life going to be made into a Hollywood blockbuster???

I'm ready right now to start righting a treatment and shopping it around!

somehow i think the movie has already been made and im in it. gotta be this trade i work in, its messed up. looking forward to retirement, living under a bridge, and telling my stories

Phaqallyall

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

Can you really?  Then maybe you should try ordering yourself up a BRAIN.

billt01

keep em coming..

Eoin

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

So not only is it easy to get automatic weapons over here, the terrorists made a decision to use knives rather than guns?  Which bit of the internet is supplying your information? We were having a sensible discussion, seems that has descended into random 'I read it on the web' shizzle.

Spaightlabs

GATraveller said:

Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US.  Why are we not making it harder to get unhealthy food?

.   

It's pretty rare for poor dietary decisions to kill a third party.

billt01

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

So not only is it easy to get automatic weapons over here, the terrorists made a decision to use knives rather than guns?  Which bit of the internet is supplying your information? We were having a sensible discussion, seems that has descended into random 'I read it on the web' shizzle.

not sensible if one doesn't take into consider all angles of the conversation, even if they don't follow mainstream principles. Automatic assault weapons are illegally shipped by the thousands to every country in the world every day. Yes it is easy to get them. 

Eoin

Spaightlabs said:

GATraveller said:

Heart disease is the leading cause of death in the US.  Why are we not making it harder to get unhealthy food?

.   

It's pretty rare for poor dietary decisions to kill a third party.

Have you ever been stuck between 2 really fat people on a long haul flight?

saluki2007

Eoin

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

So not only is it easy to get automatic weapons over here, the terrorists made a decision to use knives rather than guns?  Which bit of the internet is supplying your information? We were having a sensible discussion, seems that has descended into random 'I read it on the web' shizzle.

not sensible if one doesn't take into consider all angles of the conversation, even if they don't follow mainstream principles. Automatic assault weapons are illegally shipped by the thousands to every country in the world every day. Yes it is easy to get them. 

Nonsense.

billt01

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

So not only is it easy to get automatic weapons over here, the terrorists made a decision to use knives rather than guns?  Which bit of the internet is supplying your information? We were having a sensible discussion, seems that has descended into random 'I read it on the web' shizzle.

not sensible if one doesn't take into consider all angles of the conversation, even if they don't follow mainstream principles. Automatic assault weapons are illegally shipped by the thousands to every country in the world every day. Yes it is easy to get them. 

Nonsense.

  

Phaqallyall

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

So not only is it easy to get automatic weapons over here, the terrorists made a decision to use knives rather than guns?  Which bit of the internet is supplying your information? We were having a sensible discussion, seems that has descended into random 'I read it on the web' shizzle.

not sensible if one doesn't take into consider all angles of the conversation, even if they don't follow mainstream principles. Automatic assault weapons are illegally shipped by the thousands to every country in the world every day. Yes it is easy to get them. 

So your view is that it's very easy to get assault weapons in the UK, and yet the vast majority of criminals and terrorists over there are simply deciding they don't want to?

Did your parents have any children who lived? 

theyolksonyou

Now THIS is what makes this forum great!

billt01

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

So not only is it easy to get automatic weapons over here, the terrorists made a decision to use knives rather than guns?  Which bit of the internet is supplying your information? We were having a sensible discussion, seems that has descended into random 'I read it on the web' shizzle.

not sensible if one doesn't take into consider all angles of the conversation, even if they don't follow mainstream principles. Automatic assault weapons are illegally shipped by the thousands to every country in the world every day. Yes it is easy to get them. 

So your view is that it's very easy to get assault weapons in the UK, and yet the vast majority of criminals and terrorists over there are simply deciding they don't want to?

yes

Legume

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

So not only is it easy to get automatic weapons over here, the terrorists made a decision to use knives rather than guns?  Which bit of the internet is supplying your information? We were having a sensible discussion, seems that has descended into random 'I read it on the web' shizzle.

not sensible if one doesn't take into consider all angles of the conversation, even if they don't follow mainstream principles. Automatic assault weapons are illegally shipped by the thousands to every country in the world every day. Yes it is easy to get them. 

So your view is that it's very easy to get assault weapons in the UK, and yet the vast majority of criminals and terrorists over there are simply deciding they don't want to?

yes

so, why are they doing that?

JohnInCarolina

I think I've seen everything at this point.  

billt01

Legume said:

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

So not only is it easy to get automatic weapons over here, the terrorists made a decision to use knives rather than guns?  Which bit of the internet is supplying your information? We were having a sensible discussion, seems that has descended into random 'I read it on the web' shizzle.

not sensible if one doesn't take into consider all angles of the conversation, even if they don't follow mainstream principles. Automatic assault weapons are illegally shipped by the thousands to every country in the world every day. Yes it is easy to get them. 

So your view is that it's very easy to get assault weapons in the UK, and yet the vast majority of criminals and terrorists over there are simply deciding they don't want to?

yes

so, why are they doing that?

I cannot opine to that, one would need to ask them. My point is if ANYONE wants a gun, it can be procured in a reasonable amount of time.

JohnInCarolina

We might need a new thread about how our public schools are failing to educate the populace.

Eoin

Phaqallyall said:f

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Phaqallyall said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

billt01 said:

Eoin said:

KKoterski said:

Not many people remember that not that long ago, firearm safety and marksmanship was taught in public schools. Likewise, firearms were even easier to purchase than they are today. I'm pretty sure Lee Harvey Oswald purchased his rifle from a catalog.

Bottom line is that firearms have not changed. People have.

If I want to kill someone, how do I determine how it's done? If I have a firearm, knife, or a hammer, what do I choose? Well obviously the firearm is most effective and vastly easier to use. Now look at the UK, now your options are a knife and hammer. Well the knife is more likely to cause the damage I want, so the knife. No knife? Hammer. No hammer? Find something else.

If I want to kill someone, the tool is irrelevant. Outlaw everything and I'll use my hands. People did it for years before firearms and were perfectly capable of killing each other. 

A firearm is a machine, a tool. It only does what the operator makes it do. When there is a machine being used to kill people, do we blame an inanimate object, or the person operating it?

There was an attack in Europe a while back that killed a bunch of people and the attacker used a truck to plow through crowds. So should we ban trucks next?

On an unrelated topic, when did humanity make the shift of "I disagree with you, so now I hate you and you must die". I disagree with people all the time, but difference in thought is what makes us human. If we were all the same, it'd be boring as hell. Just food for thought. Don't hate your neighbor because you disagree, just understand that not everyone thinks like you or has the same opinion as you. AND THAT'S OK.

We have had attacks using vehicles and knives, terrorist related. The most recent was 3 guys with knives in a crowded night life area. They killed 8 people. Arm those guys with semi automatic weapons and the death toll gets much bigger.

Using knives was their choice, if those people wanted to use assault rifles, they could have.

Not correct, the average nut job terrorist can't get hold of assault rifles. It's too difficult, too expensive and attracts too much attention.

no sir, I believe you would be mistaken about procurement and availability

He's talking about the UK, where he lives. 

You do not live in the UK.  You live in Georgia.

He maybe knows a bit more about how things work in the UK than you do there, Buckwheat. 

the internet does not work on borders, Skippy. 

One can get ANYTHING on the internet.

So not only is it easy to get automatic weapons over here, the terrorists made a decision to use knives rather than guns?  Which bit of the internet is supplying your information? We were having a sensible discussion, seems that has descended into random 'I read it on the web' shizzle.

not sensible if one doesn't take into consider all angles of the conversation, even if they don't follow mainstream principles. Automatic assault weapons are illegally shipped by the thousands to every country in the world every day. Yes it is easy to get them. 

So your view is that it's very easy to get assault weapons in the UK, and yet the vast majority of criminals and terrorists over there are simply deciding they don't want to?....

The London Bridge knife attackers wore fake suicide vests as well. Explosives are available at the corner shop (according to the internet), but they decided fake vests were a more effective option.

frazzdaddy

KKoterski , I'm also curious as to how all that self defense training that I'm sure out of the 851 people injured or killed in the Las Vegas shooting some of them had ...helped them defend themselves against the hailstorm of bullets one man was able to launch. I await your response.

billt01

JohnInCarolina said:

We might need a new thread about how our public schools are failing to educate the populace.



NO JohnInCarolina

you're doing a fine job there

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

We might need a new thread about how our public schools are failing to educate the populace.

if the weapon of choice for mass killings is a knife, then you just may be right

HeavyG

billt01 said:

HeavyG said:

billt01 said:

alaskanassasin said:

I never understood the clip argument because they are so easy to change 

Its a magazine, damnit

Maybe he owns an M1 Garand.

those are not easy to change

I haven't played with an M1 in 30+ years but I don't recall them as being too difficult to insert.

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

We might need a new thread about how our public schools are failing to educate the populace.

if the weapon of choice for mass killings is a knife, then you just may be right

All of the criminals in the UK are just really really dumb, I guess, seeing as how they can’t even figure out how to buy a gun on the internet!  Our criminals over here are just too smart.  We should probably see about the UK taking some of our criminals as part of any trade deal.

billt01

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

We might need a new thread about how our public schools are failing to educate the populace.

if the weapon of choice for mass killings is a knife, then you just may be right

All of the criminals in the UK are just really really dumb,

Not all, the smart ones procure better tools to accomplish their goals

I guess, seeing as how they can’t even figure out how to buy a gun on the internet!  Our criminals over here are just too smart.  We should probably see about the UK taking some of our criminals as part of any trade deal.

Eoin

frazzdaddy said:

KKoterski , I'm also curious as to how all that self defense training that I'm sure out of the 851 people injured or killed in the Las Vegas shooting some of them had ...helped them defend themselves against the hailstorm of bullets one man was able to launch. I await your response.

The victims should think themselves lucky that the guy didn't have a knife on him, then there would have been some real carnage.

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

We might need a new thread about how our public schools are failing to educate the populace.

if the weapon of choice for mass killings is a knife, then you just may be right

All of the criminals in the UK are just really really dumb, I guess, seeing as how they can’t even figure out how to buy a gun on the internet!  Our criminals over here are just too smart.  We should probably see about the UK taking some of our criminals as part of any trade deal.

there just might be more effective ways that dont even use a gun.  someones going to change everything someday