OT - Who is your favorite climate scientist?

Botch

JohnInCarolina said:

Of those I have met: David Archer, Michael Mann, Gavin Schmidt.

Of those I have yet to meet: Jim Hansen.

Is "hindcast" a word?  

JohnInCarolina

Botch said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Of those I have met: David Archer, Michael Mann, Gavin Schmidt.

Of those I have yet to meet: Jim Hansen.

Is "hindcast" a word?  

I don’t know that you’ll find it in Webster’s anytime soon but it’s a common term in atmospheric physics / modeling.

Botch

Thanks, wasn't in my Mac's dictionary nor my "analog" copy.  

thetrim

"hindcast" n. made up "facts" to fit a conclusion, hypothesis, or some totally made up BS.

DMW

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=reryJb1ro2I

JohnInCarolina

thetrim said:

"hindcast" n. made up "facts" to fit a conclusion, hypothesis, or some totally made up BS.

Uhm... no.  The process is to take an existing model, and instead of running it forward in time from the present date (which would be a forecast or prediction), you start the model at some time in the past and see how well it reproduces measurement data that has already been taken.  The idea is that if the model is any good then it should be reasonably proficient at reproducing past events that are known.  

nolaegghead

*sigh*

DMW

There's a book some of you should read.


The paperback edition has a new preface that was added.
https://www.amazon.com/Death-Expertise-Campaign-Established-Knowledge/dp/0190865970/ref=mt_paperback?_encoding=UTF8&me=&qid=

JohnInCarolina

If you look at that graph and your main takeaway is that one of the best scientists NASA has ever produced was mostly just making stuff up 30 years ago when he testified in front of Congress, then, well....

TEXASBGE2018

JohnInCarolina said:

If you look at that graph and your main takeaway is that one of the best scientists NASA has ever produced was mostly just making stuff up 30 years ago when he testified in front of Congress, then, well....

NASA faked the moon landing so it wouldn't surprise me.....  

DMW

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

If you look at that graph and your main takeaway is that one of the best scientists NASA has ever produced was mostly just making stuff up 30 years ago when he testified in front of Congress, then, well....

NASA faked the moon landing so it wouldn't surprise me.....  

You jest, but that notion is making a surprising resurgence. It's covered in the new preface I mentioned above.

TEXASBGE2018

DMW said:

TEXASBGE2018 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

If you look at that graph and your main takeaway is that one of the best scientists NASA has ever produced was mostly just making stuff up 30 years ago when he testified in front of Congress, then, well....

NASA faked the moon landing so it wouldn't surprise me.....  

You jest, but that notion is making a surprising resurgence. It's covered in the new preface I mentioned above.

Yup and that's both sad and scary.

Acn

thetrim said:

"hindcast" n. made up "facts" to fit a conclusion, hypothesis, or some totally made up BS.

Like “Trickle down economics”?

YukonRon

My company and others like us have invested hundreds of millions of dollars to try and minimize the damage organic compounds have made to our atmosphere.

The research our scientists have done, confirms the impact of global warming. We know it is upon us to find a different direction and do our part in being good citizens of the earth.

Denying the existence of global warming results in killing thousands of the members of the Animal Kingdom everyday. 

If you can't see it, then you should take a trip to Rocky Mountain National Park. Take a look at what just a minor temperature change has done to the trees. Millions are dying because the winters are no longer cold enough, long enough, to kill the pine bark beetle, which ingests them and kills them.

Those trees are home to several species which are also at risk, and are declining.

They have the data, and will be glad to share it with you. 

frazzdaddy

Sadly population growth is one of the biggest contributors. @YukonRon is correct. It takes some research to fully understand but it's real and happening as we speak.

SaintJohnsEgger

The dead ones.

They have nothing to gain from predicting climate change. I detest guys like Al Gore who are trying to get rich by scaring the public over climate change while having a carbon footprint larger than some small towns.

YEMTrey

Well, it was a good run. 

JohnInCarolina

SaintJohnsEgger said:

The dead ones.

They have nothing to gain from predicting climate change. I detest guys like Al Gore who are trying to get rich by scaring the public over climate change while having a carbon footprint larger than some small towns.

Gore is a politician, not a climate scientist.

GrillSgt

I detest people who resist and deny climate change because they are paid to think that way to by the people that contribute the most to climate change. Secondly I detest those that are too stupid to see that. 

Cornholio

JohnInCarolina said:

SaintJohnsEgger said:

The dead ones.

They have nothing to gain from predicting climate change. I detest guys like Al Gore who are trying to get rich by scaring the public over climate change while having a carbon footprint larger than some small towns.

Gore is a politician, not a climate scientist.

So should politicians not talk about science and/or should scientists not talk about politics?

lentsboy007

Al Gore ... he knows everything about the Earth’s climate and has made millions 

SaintJohnsEgger

GrillSgt said:

I detest people who resist and deny climate change because they are paid to think that way to by the people that contribute the most to climate change. Secondly I detest those that are too stupid to see that. 

I detest scientist who fly all over the world going to symposiums on climate change.

HeavyG

SaintJohnsEgger said:

The dead ones.

They have nothing to gain from predicting climate change. I detest guys like Al Gore who are trying to get rich by scaring the public over climate change while having a carbon footprint larger than some small towns.

Yeah.....Al Gore is doing what he does just so he can rake in the Benjamin's. LOL

JohnInCarolina

SaintJohnsEgger said:

GrillSgt said:

I detest people who resist and deny climate change because they are paid to think that way to by the people that contribute the most to climate change. Secondly I detest those that are too stupid to see that. 

I detest scientist who fly all over the world going to symposiums on climate change.

Right.  I’m sure you’d be much more likely to listen to them were they all living in tents and sending out messages on scrolls.

TEXASBGE2018

JohnInCarolina said:

SaintJohnsEgger said:

GrillSgt said:

I detest people who resist and deny climate change because they are paid to think that way to by the people that contribute the most to climate change. Secondly I detest those that are too stupid to see that. 

I detest scientist who fly all over the world going to symposiums on climate change.

Right.  I’m sure you’d be much more likely to listen to them were they all living in tents and sending out messages on scrolls.

I know I would.

JohnInCarolina

Cornholio said:

JohnInCarolina said:

SaintJohnsEgger said:

The dead ones.

They have nothing to gain from predicting climate change. I detest guys like Al Gore who are trying to get rich by scaring the public over climate change while having a carbon footprint larger than some small towns.

Gore is a politician, not a climate scientist.

So should politicians not talk about science and/or should scientists not talk about politics?

I think you’ll find that most scientists, at least publicly, try to stay away from politics.  

Politicians have an obligation to try to understand the science, and then propose policy solutions to problems that arise.  

On balance while I respect what Gore was trying to do, in retrospect I don’t think he was the best messenger.  Somebody like Carl Sagan probably would’ve been much better in that role.

TEXASBGE2018

Some of you folks should go to YouTube and search Dennis Miller Global Warming or George Carlin Saving the Planet. Pretty funny

SaintJohnsEgger

JohnInCarolina said:

SaintJohnsEgger said:

GrillSgt said:

I detest people who resist and deny climate change because they are paid to think that way to by the people that contribute the most to climate change. Secondly I detest those that are too stupid to see that. 

I detest scientist who fly all over the world going to symposiums on climate change.

Right.  I’m sure you’d be much more likely to listen to them were they all living in tents and sending out messages on scrolls.

I would be more likely to listen when they take their own cause seriously. 

Actions speak louder than words.

DMW

OK, time for another book recommendation. 

https://www.amazon.com/Not-Scientist-Politicians-Mistake-Misrepresent/dp/039335332X/ref=tmm_pap_swatch_0?_encoding=UTF8&qid=&sr=

JohnInCarolina

SaintJohnsEgger said:

JohnInCarolina said:

SaintJohnsEgger said:

GrillSgt said:

I detest people who resist and deny climate change because they are paid to think that way to by the people that contribute the most to climate change. Secondly I detest those that are too stupid to see that. 

I detest scientist who fly all over the world going to symposiums on climate change.

Right.  I’m sure you’d be much more likely to listen to them were they all living in tents and sending out messages on scrolls.

I would be more likely to listen when they take their own cause seriously. 

Actions speak louder than words.

You don’t understand what climate scientists are trying to do, first and foremost, which is to understand the science.  You are confusing them with politicians.  You seem to believe that they are primarily preaching to the public about behavior, and you are wrong.

International conferences facilitate the dissemination of scientific ideas.  We have been holding things like these for almost 100 years now.  If you genuinely believe that climate scientists holding them is some indicator that they don’t genuinely believe the science, that it’s somehow all for show, then I can’t help you, and it’s unlikely that anyone else can either.

As a final comment, it’s pretty rich that the dude who has been whining for days about threads like these is in the middle of one sh!tposting.