Buttermilk Chicken??

NDG

after watching Fat, Salt, Acid, Heat . . The heat episode she makes a buttermilk full chicken.  Anyone see this?  I didn’t find anything on the search & surprised nobody tried it on the BGE yet?  Looks simple, and she hyped it big time. I will try next chance I get, lemme know if you tried ?

RRP

No, haven't seen that particular recipe but have tried other buttermilk chicken recipes in the past with no great impressions. Seems to me if I ever try again I will add canning salt which is so fine that it (the salt) may be able to drag in some of the buttermilk taste.

The Cen-Tex Smoker

I made it. It’s amazing. I’ll never do it any other way. 

YukonRon

Chicken without using buttermilk is like using the BGE w/o fire.
We use it all the time and the results, specifically when fried, are night and day.

NDG

Ha “never cook chicken any other way”  little sarcasm maybe?  Whatever I’m gonna give it a go.

GrillSgt

Several of us on here are big proponents of the buttermilk brine. I add hot sauce to mine. The one thing I didn’t get about hers was cooking the chicken while still coated with the buttermilk. I rinse, dry with paper towels and let it air dry in fridge. You’ll love it.

poster

Use it on game birds all the time, and the difference is huge. Much more tender and less gamey 

fishlessman

im no good with fried chicken except with boneless skinless thighs and buttermilk is a must.  beats out a mcrib everytime

the yankee version

https://newengland.com/today/food/commonwealth-fried-chicken/

then to kick it up, the beurre franks sauce on a sandwich with bluecheese and celery

https://www.bostonmagazine.com/restaurants/2014/06/13/man-food/

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NDG said:

Ha “never cook chicken any other way”  little sarcasm maybe?  Whatever I’m gonna give it a go.

More hyperbole than sarcasm.  
I meant for a simple brined grilled bird and definitely for frying. 

Eggcelsior

RRP said:

No, haven't seen that particular recipe but have tried other buttermilk chicken recipes in the past with no great impressions. Seems to me if I ever try again I will add canning salt which is so fine that it (the salt) may be able to drag in some of the buttermilk taste.

Water is a polar molecule. One end attracts the chloride ion and the other end attracts the sodium ion, which is why salt crystals dissolve in water. It doesn’t matter it you use canning salt or Halite, it's all NaCl so it will all dissolve. 

Kent8621

we do buttermilk brined chicken every week but as @GrillSgt said i rinse, dry and let the skin dry in the fridge prior to cooking.  we mainly do chicken thighs but have done wings with good results.  

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Eggcelsior said:

RRP said:

No, haven't seen that particular recipe but have tried other buttermilk chicken recipes in the past with no great impressions. Seems to me if I ever try again I will add canning salt which is so fine that it (the salt) may be able to drag in some of the buttermilk taste.

Water is a polar molecule. One end attracts the chloride ion and the other end attracts the sodium ion, which is why salt crystals dissolve in water. It doesn’t matter it you use canning salt or Halite, it's all NaCl so it will all dissolve. 

And nothing will drag "in" any buttermilk taste. Salt is one of the few molecules that are small enough to move through cell walls to actually get inside the meat. Everything else stays on the outside. The benefit of buttermilk is that it has acid (lactic), fat, and water. The acid and fat work on the outside of the meat while the water carries the salt inside. 

GrillSgt

So explain how the the chicken has heat and a decent amount of chili flavor when I use hot sauce with my buttermilk brine. Generally Texas Pete. I'm not arguing, just curious.

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GrillSgt said:

So explain how the the chicken has heat and a decent amount of chili flavor when I use hot sauce with my buttermilk brine. Generally Texas Pete. I'm not arguing, just curious.

it's on the outside of the meat. 

GrillSgt

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GrillSgt said:

you cannot meme away science but knock yourself out trying. I've spent a lot of time reading up on this and putting it into practice but Skeptical Carlton is probably right. 

The Cen-Tex Smoker

GrillSgt said:

Read this. It explains it better than I can. Long story short, salt and water are about the only things small enough to move through the cells of meat. sugar can to a degree but takes days where salt takes hours. Everything else sits on top of the meat and may get into the Little cracks and crevasses on the meat. The spicy part of peppers is capsaicin which is huge compared to a salt molecule. Way too big to move between cell walls like a tiny salt molecule.

Now, why can you taste the heat even after rinsing? Capsaicin is also part of an oil that the pepper uses as an irritant to (allegedly) keep mammals from eating them. This is why drinking water does not help when you eat a spicy pepper- the oil sticks to your tongue and water has no affect (pro tip- eat chips or bread to help if you have volcano mouth from peppers). So Even if you rinse your meat after a brine with pepper oils in it, unless you scrub, some of the oil will remain on the surface. 

Hope this helps:

https://amazingribs.com/tested-recipes/marinades-and-brinerades/secrets-and-myths-marinades-brinerades-and-how-gashing-can

Stoogie

I've been using Bobby Flay's buttermilk chicken recipe for a few years and I love it -

https://www.foodnetwork.com/recipes/bobby-flay/buttermilk-southwestern-grilled-chicken-recipe-1957863

I do let the chicken marinate in the bag for at least 24 hours.  In my experience, anything less than that isn't worth it.  I also put more cumin and garlic in there than what is called for.  Because.

I also have never rinsed or even pat dry the chicken, even thought it says to in his recipe.  I just shake the excess buttermilk off, toss some Famous Dave's chicken rub on the chicken and toss it on the Egg.

YEMTrey

Buttermilk Biscuits?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=4jvVCJp429A

blind99

@YEMTrey I had a cassette copy of that album

SciAggie

I have a spatchcock chicken swimming in buttermilk now. I plan on roasting it in the wood oven tomorrow night. I plan to try baking some dressing in a pie pumpkin also. This will be a mini dress rehersal for a possible holiday meal. 

NDG

Great Stuff . . love this forum - thanks for the link @The Cen-Tex Smoker  . . It makes sense & nice read.  

GrillSgt

Finally got the time to read it. Thanks.

GrillSgt

Personally I find 24 hrs way too long for a buttermilk brine. Meat gets damn mushy.

NDG

Mushy Meat SERGEANT ???  Unacceptable, complete Bravo Sierra (BS) !!!!!!!!!!!!

NDG

I got Chank Thighs now . . . was going to do the CHEFS STEP fried chicken this sunday (he brines in pickle juice during Sous Vide) but now think I am going to do a Buttermilk Brine & skip the Sous Vide.  Plan to fry outside using induction burner.  Good idea? 

I will try to post here in this thread.

The Cen-Tex Smoker

NDG said:

I got Chank Thighs now . . . was going to do the CHEFS STEP fried chicken this sunday (he brines in pickle juice during Sous Vide) but now think I am going to do a Buttermilk Brine & skip the Sous Vide.  Plan to fry outside using induction burner.  Good idea? 

I will try to post here in this thread.

I would do the buttermilk brine then follow chef steps if it were me. SV fried chicken is fantastic. 

NDG

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

NDG said:

I got Chank Thighs now . . . was going to do the CHEFS STEP fried chicken this sunday (he brines in pickle juice during Sous Vide) but now think I am going to do a Buttermilk Brine & skip the Sous Vide.  Plan to fry outside using induction burner.  Good idea? 

I will try to post here in this thread.

I would do the buttermilk brine then follow chef steps if it were me. SV fried chicken is fantastic. 

Perfect - I will do exactly that.

Canugghead

Many moons ago I had a part time job working at KFC across the Pond.  Vaguely recall the process... band saw each bird into 9 pieces, short soak in buttermilk, coat with flour+secret recipe, deep fry in pressure cooker. I would only eat fresh fried chicken! Wondering how it's done these days.

GrateEggspectations

The Cen-Tex Smoker said:

I made it. It’s amazing. I’ll never do it any other way. 

That’s a mighty powerful endorsement. 

Link?!

(Please tag me on response, if at all possible.)

NDG

@The Cen-Tex Smoker. Got 3 lbs of thighs in buttermilk brine . . I’ll probably do half as Sv/fry and grill others later.  My question is moving from this brine to SV.  Best to rinse 100% and vac seal dry before the SV cook?