Yeti Caved. Gutless.

bgebrent

Ozzie_Isaac said:

DMW said:

We have all strayed over so many tangents. However, I have seen no evidence whatsoever to support the OP's claim that Yeti "caved". I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe that Yeti was under pressure to make any sort of decision one way or another. I'd like to see some sort of evidence in support of that.

Actually, I'd rather not. What I would like; is that we would all step back, take a look, and decide that we are more decent than taking pop shots at each other.

You are a d!ck

D'ck.

DMW

Ozzie_Isaac said:

DMW said:

We have all strayed over so many tangents. However, I have seen no evidence whatsoever to support the OP's claim that Yeti "caved". I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe that Yeti was under pressure to make any sort of decision one way or another. I'd like to see some sort of evidence in support of that.

Actually, I'd rather not. What I would like; is that we would all step back, take a look, and decide that we are more decent than taking pop shots at each other.

You are a d!ck

Well, that's obvious.

DMW

DMW said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

DMW said:

We have all strayed over so many tangents. However, I have seen no evidence whatsoever to support the OP's claim that Yeti "caved". I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe that Yeti was under pressure to make any sort of decision one way or another. I'd like to see some sort of evidence in support of that.

Actually, I'd rather not. What I would like; is that we would all step back, take a look, and decide that we are more decent than taking pop shots at each other.

You are a d!ck

Well, that's obvious.

Hey, on another note, what would it take for you to show up for Brisket Camp this year?

bgebrent

DMW said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

DMW said:

We have all strayed over so many tangents. However, I have seen no evidence whatsoever to support the OP's claim that Yeti "caved". I have seen nothing that would lead me to believe that Yeti was under pressure to make any sort of decision one way or another. I'd like to see some sort of evidence in support of that.

Actually, I'd rather not. What I would like; is that we would all step back, take a look, and decide that we are more decent than taking pop shots at each other.

You are a d!ck

Well, that's obvious.

Pushover.

Ozzie_Isaac

When is Brisket Camp?  October?

DMW

Ozzie_Isaac said:

When is Brisket Camp?  October?

October, yes. When exactly, not sure. @nolaegghead can you please enlighten us?

YukonRon

You can play what if all you want, we have been deflecting the same way for years.

The issue is these guns get in the hands of the wrong people, and it seems effortless to do.

There is more that can be done, but the leadership associated with the most Americans, the NRA, should start demanding more from congress, not less.

Their members should too. We all should.

If we leave it to the politicians, they will find a way to tax gun owners for weapons and ammunition, further than what they do now.

Could you see yourself paying $200.00 per firearm every year, and each round of ammo being taxed as well?

That would pay for a heckuva plan to answer all the "what ifs."

I would be paying around a K/yr.

Ozzie_Isaac

DMW said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

When is Brisket Camp?  October?

October, yes. When exactly, not sure. @nolaegghead can you please enlighten us?

Since the wife is from NO and she had been wanting to go back, I might be able to swing it.

DMW

YukonRon said:

You can play what if all you want, we have been deflecting the same way for years.

The issue is these guns get in the hands of the wrong people, and it seems effortless to do.

There is more that can be done, but the leadership associated with the most Americans, the NRA, should start demanding more from congress, not less.

Their members should too. We all should.

If we leave it to the politicians, they will find a way to tax gun owners for weapons and ammunition, further than what they do now.

Could you see yourself paying $200.00 per firearm every year, and each round of ammo being taxed as well?

That would pay for a heckuva plan to answer all the "what ifs."

I would be paying around a K/yr.

Now that's an interesting concept. Levy firearm taxes to fund school guards rather than increase property taxes that would put the onus on home owners.

YukonRon

A tax like that will cause people to protect themselves using other methods of self defense, should they not be able to afford a weapon.
Which of course would be met with every form of lawsuit available in America for removing those without means to own/purchase a gun and therefore their infringing on their rights in the second ammendment.
But it could do some amazing things, too.

bgebrent

Ozzie_Isaac said:

When is Brisket Camp?  October?

We have our reservations.  You sure you want to come?

YukonRon

When in October? We need to get ours in as well.

Ozzie_Isaac

bgebrent said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

When is Brisket Camp?  October?

We have our reservations.  You sure you want to come?

For sure.  I ain't skeered.

nolaegghead

Dobie said:

Newsflash everything you see in the media is sponsored by someone. 

wrong.  sad.

nolaegghead

bgebrent said:

DMW said:

Dobie said:

What about the message @DMW got any comments on the real talking points there? 

Sure, I'll start with the initial postured talking point. Armed guards in every school in our country sounds like a great idea, but it really isn't an economically feasible concept. It sounds like a great idea until everyone realizes they don't want to pay upwards of $15K property taxes. Mine already are getting pretty close to that, and I know some that are already paying more than that. Putting the burden of prevention and protection on schools just doesn't seem right.

Tax would be 1/3 that in KY.  Then how does it seem.  Burden is the wrong word by the way.

because kids go to school 12/3 (= fourth grade) there?

nolaegghead

stlcharcoal said:

YukonRon said:

stlcharcoal said:

YukonRon said:

Yeti being ashamed? This is the same foundation that also trained Nikolas Cruz on how to get the most out of his weapon in both a youth program and educational program. You can't make this stuff up

Yes you *can* make this stuff up, and the rag newspaper you read did make it up.

Cruz was a member of the JROTC, which is funded by the US Army.  The school he attended applied for and happily accepted a grant from the NRA to assist with the JROTC program.  So why didn't the headline read "The US Army trained shooter" or "High school trained shooter"???? It wasn't an NRA instructor or syllabus....it was the Army.

So do you want to get rid of the JROTC and/or NRA marksmanship / safety training?

I'm a NRA instructor, range safety officer, and a CCW instructor for the states of MO and IL.  In order to get a permit in either state your have to be trained by a state approved and NRA certified instructor (meaning you went through a lot of training, background checks, spent a chunk of money doing it).  I know you dont like ccw, but wouldn't you rather have qualified people like myself teaching it?  

I understood it to be an after school program which was funded by the NRA, separate from ROTC, which also taught other students, not affiliated with ROTC. This was what I had read, and also had an ATF agent explain it to me.

Yes, he was part of some marksmanship team as well.......they used air rifles, not AR-15s.  The NRA still didn't "train" him like all the articles claim--no NRA instructors, no NRA training courses.  The NRA Foundation gave the school a grant that the school applied for.   By the same standard, the papers could have written a nearly identical article stating the school or US Army trained him (and either would have been more accurate.)  But does it really matter in the end?  No.

no, none of that matters

nolaegghead

DMW said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

When is Brisket Camp?  October?

October, yes. When exactly, not sure. @nolaegghead can you please enlighten us?

October 20th, bitches

nolaegghead

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HeavyG

DoubleEgger said:

Everyone keeps saying the NRA is so powerful yet they aren’t on the list of top donors. The medical field is the big boy in Washington 

https://www.opensecrets.org/lobby/top.php?indexType=s

That chart is rather misleading as it is strictly lobbying expenditures.

In the 2016 election cycle the NRA AND NRA affiliates spent almost $60 million. Lobbying expenses and donations to specific candidates were a very small percentage of that amount.

The vast majority of NRA money was spent on outside spending/independent campaign expenditures. Think PAC's and all those tv ads that the NRA ran.

nolaegghead

i might add, insofar as the NRA support for the current administration goes versus the alternatives, the best interest of a sustainable hunting and fishing environment are diametrically opposed to the appointment of Scott Pruitt. 

in effect, if you think the NRA has hunters best interests as a goal, it doesn't extend past the fear mongering of rational people taking hunting rifles away.  even in progress/liberal countries this has not and will not happen.  

the NRA has been taken over by extremists. so has the country.  our brand is, to the international community, what some here see Yeti (falsely) is to their extremist views.

the NRA should go back to their roots and support gun safety.

HeavyG

I'm old enough to remember when the NRA actually used to support meaningful gun control legislation including banning open carry (concealed carry - fuhgeddaboudit).

YukonRon

nolaegghead said:

DMW said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

When is Brisket Camp?  October?

October, yes. When exactly, not sure. @nolaegghead can you please enlighten us?

October 20th, bitches

@nolaegghead
Add 2 more, maybe a third. Mark, might be back from Ghana at that time, so we might fly down and crash at his place, and drag him along with us.
Thanks for the date.

YukonRon

Meanwhile at a Wafflehouse, in Nashville, a half naked man walks in and kills 4 more. 
The guy claimed he was being stalked by Taylor Swift, when he lived in Salida, Colorado, and had been arrested in DC, for refusing to leave a restricted area, because he wanted to meet with Donald Trump.
The most bizarre aspect is not that he is unstable, it is that the state of Illinois took all his weapons, and instead of destroying them or whatever, they gave them back to this guy's father. The father gave them back to him before he moved to Nashville.
Crazy.

JohnInCarolina

YukonRon said:

Meanwhile at a Wafflehouse, in Nashville, a half naked man walks in and kills 4 more. 
The guy claimed he was being stalked by Taylor Swift, when he lived in Salida, Colorado, and had been arrested in DC, for refusing to leave a restricted area, because he wanted to meet with Donald Trump.
The most bizarre aspect is not that he is unstable, it is that the state of Illinois took all his weapons, and instead of destroying them or whatever, they gave them back to this guy's father. The father gave them back to him before he moved to Nashville.
Crazy.

Yep.  Will be interesting to see if the father ends up getting prosecuted for anything.  

saluki2007

YukonRon said:

Meanwhile at a Wafflehouse, in Nashville, a half naked man walks in and kills 4 more. 
The guy claimed he was being stalked by Taylor Swift, when he lived in Salida, Colorado, and had been arrested in DC, for refusing to leave a restricted area, because he wanted to meet with Donald Trump.
The most bizarre aspect is not that he is unstable, it is that the state of Illinois took all his weapons, and instead of destroying them or whatever, they gave them back to this guy's father. The father gave them back to him before he moved to Nashville.
Crazy.

His parents live in my town.  There have been plenty of signs for several years that he was an unstable person.  How any parent can know that, and then turn around and give him his guns back is mind boggling.

saluki2007

JohnInCarolina said:

YukonRon said:

Meanwhile at a Wafflehouse, in Nashville, a half naked man walks in and kills 4 more. 
The guy claimed he was being stalked by Taylor Swift, when he lived in Salida, Colorado, and had been arrested in DC, for refusing to leave a restricted area, because he wanted to meet with Donald Trump.
The most bizarre aspect is not that he is unstable, it is that the state of Illinois took all his weapons, and instead of destroying them or whatever, they gave them back to this guy's father. The father gave them back to him before he moved to Nashville.
Crazy.

Yep.  Will be interesting to see if the father ends up getting prosecuted for anything.  

Been trying to figure that out myself.  TN and IL have vastly different gun laws.  He may have not violated any laws.  This is a perfect example of why we need national gun laws and not state laws.  Either way the father needs to lawyer up because he will be getting sued.

stlcharcoal

saluki2007 said:

JohnInCarolina said:

YukonRon said:

Meanwhile at a Wafflehouse, in Nashville, a half naked man walks in and kills 4 more. 
The guy claimed he was being stalked by Taylor Swift, when he lived in Salida, Colorado, and had been arrested in DC, for refusing to leave a restricted area, because he wanted to meet with Donald Trump.
The most bizarre aspect is not that he is unstable, it is that the state of Illinois took all his weapons, and instead of destroying them or whatever, they gave them back to this guy's father. The father gave them back to him before he moved to Nashville.
Crazy.

Yep.  Will be interesting to see if the father ends up getting prosecuted for anything.  

Been trying to figure that out myself.  TN and IL have vastly different gun laws.  He may have not violated any laws.  This is a perfect example of why we need national gun laws and not state laws.  Either way the father needs to lawyer up because he will be getting sued.

So now we should going to repeal the 10th amendment as well?

Either way, there are already tons national gun laws......the National Firearm Act of 1938, the Gun Control Act of 1968, the "Brady Bill", the former "Assualt Weapons Ban", etc.  How would laws have changed anything?  

IL and TN (or any states') gun laws are not that different when it comes to restrictions from mentally ill, felons, etc from possessing and the laws on prosecuting them.  IL is just a lot more restrictive when it comes to purchasing, transporting, and CCW, especially for non-residents.  In any case, they're all still covered by the same GCA, NFA, and other federal laws.

Spaightlabs

So if the current laws aren't working should we leave them as they are or consider modifying them?

What did we do in regard to due laws to increase their effectiveness?

stlcharcoal

YukonRon said:

If we leave it to the politicians, they will find a way to tax gun owners for weapons and ammunition, further than what they do now.

Could you see yourself paying $200.00 per firearm every year, and each round of ammo being taxed as well?

That would pay for a heckuva plan to answer all the "what ifs."

I would be paying around a K/yr.

There already is a $200 tax......federal tax stamp for NFA / Title II firearms.  It's one time, not yearly, but it also get charged twice anytime that firearm changes ownership (and twice when it goes changes ownership across a state line.)  Currently a 6-7 months wait time too.

Then there's a federal excise tax on firearms and ammo (FAET).  It's 10-11%.

Then we also have a Special Occupational Tax for Federal Firearm Dealers.

Then because of all the import laws & taxes on firearms, most foreign firearm companies choose to manufacture in the US--so the US gov makes all kinds of extra money on income taxes, property tax, etc for all the jobs and infrastructure to make those firearms here. 

The US government tax the hell out of the firearms industry, yet it still thrives and states welcome gun and ammo manufacturers because of it.  One of those states.....wait for it........Illinois.

billt01

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