whats everyone cooking for doomsday

Spaightlabs

thetrim said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

nolaegghead said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

nolaegghead said:

thetrim said:

More preaching from "scientists"

Gotta cut them dum "scientists" a break.  I mean, they invented electricity and the very computers we're using so you can conveniently and efficiently express, on a 'puter network for all to see, how willfully ignorant you are.  Viva la science!  (emoticons added so no feelings are hurt) 

Geniuses and inventors did all that.

"Scientists" these days just put poorly taken data into excel and manipulate it till it gives the answers their funding source requests.

The physicists and astronomers are the only real scientists these days.

Wrong.  Technology is built on the backs of scientific giants, research and knowledge riding on the backs of other scientific giants and so forth.

Problem is people throw the term "scientist" around with no thought.

The climate "scientists" are not.  They are analysts.  The people worrying Trump will ruin the world are not "scientist", they are mostly just rabble rousers who are going to get washed away by the changing tide.

I have great respect for scientists, not analysts.

Well this is a new one.  What differentiates scientists from analysts, in your view? 

Scientists have a desire to seek out truth and understanding.

The number crunchers manipulate data to get the answer they want.  They are not concerned with the scientific method, nor repeatability.

So, only physicists and astrophysicists are "truth seekers" in your opinion?  No other areas are after truth or understanding?

That may have been harsh, but it seems they are the only ones without an ax to grind....at least in the media.

Man I'm sorry because that's a really cynical view.  If you're ever in or around Durham let me know.  I'd be happy to show you around campus and see where I work and what's going on.  

Just wanted to see how long I could get this quote upon quote upon quote going.  Wow, it's long!

Mine is longer.

Ozzie_Isaac

nolaegghead said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Do folks here genuinely believe that scientists get rich off of government funding?  Enough that they'd falsify data?

They will let their bias creep in and in some cases do what they need to do to keep food on their plate.

Not sharing data, not sharing processes, and publishing results other labs cannot repeat does not strike me interested in the truth.

ummm...  https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Scientific_method

Key here is to set up your experiments to avoid confirmation bias.  Shoe horning data to match expectations in not the scientific method.

Foghorn

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Do folks here genuinely believe that scientists get rich off of government funding?  Enough that they'd falsify data?

They will let their bias creep in and in some cases do what they need to do to keep food on their plate.

Not sharing data, not sharing processes, and publishing results other labs cannot repeat does not strike me interested in the truth.

To "keep food on their plate" ?  I know some faculty who do not do research.  I hate to break it to you, but they're not starving.  The institution provides nine months of salary at most R1 institutions, and for most people, that is more than enough.  

As to your second sentence, I don't know of a single lab that operates that way.  When another group can reproduce your results, that increases the impact of your work.  The incentives for scientists are exactly the opposite of what you seem to think they are.  

Scientists are largely driven by... ego.  They want to be the first ones to have made a breakthrough in understanding or technology.  And they want to publish papers in the best journals so that their work is highly cited and their h-index (basically a third leg) grows and grows.  

Don't make John whip out his h-index.

JohnInCarolina

Foghorn said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Do folks here genuinely believe that scientists get rich off of government funding?  Enough that they'd falsify data?

They will let their bias creep in and in some cases do what they need to do to keep food on their plate.

Not sharing data, not sharing processes, and publishing results other labs cannot repeat does not strike me interested in the truth.

To "keep food on their plate" ?  I know some faculty who do not do research.  I hate to break it to you, but they're not starving.  The institution provides nine months of salary at most R1 institutions, and for most people, that is more than enough.  

As to your second sentence, I don't know of a single lab that operates that way.  When another group can reproduce your results, that increases the impact of your work.  The incentives for scientists are exactly the opposite of what you seem to think they are.  

Scientists are largely driven by... ego.  They want to be the first ones to have made a breakthrough in understanding or technology.  And they want to publish papers in the best journals so that their work is highly cited and their h-index (basically a third leg) grows and grows.  

Don't make John whip out his h-index.

It's pretty big.  YUGE even.

Ozzie_Isaac

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Do folks here genuinely believe that scientists get rich off of government funding?  Enough that they'd falsify data?

They will let their bias creep in and in some cases do what they need to do to keep food on their plate.

Not sharing data, not sharing processes, and publishing results other labs cannot repeat does not strike me interested in the truth.

To "keep food on their plate" ?  I know some faculty who do not do research.  I hate to break it to you, but they're not starving.  The institution provides nine months of salary at most R1 institutions, and for most people, that is more than enough.  

As to your second sentence, I don't know of a single lab that operates that way.  When another group can reproduce your results, that increases the impact of your work.  The incentives for scientists are exactly the opposite of what you seem to think they are.  

Scientists are largely driven by... ego.  They want to be the first ones to have made a breakthrough in understanding or technology.  And they want to publish papers in the best journals so that their work is highly cited and their h-index (basically a third leg) grows and grows.  

Ego drives all manner of immoral behavior.

JohnInCarolina

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Do folks here genuinely believe that scientists get rich off of government funding?  Enough that they'd falsify data?

They will let their bias creep in and in some cases do what they need to do to keep food on their plate.

Not sharing data, not sharing processes, and publishing results other labs cannot repeat does not strike me interested in the truth.

To "keep food on their plate" ?  I know some faculty who do not do research.  I hate to break it to you, but they're not starving.  The institution provides nine months of salary at most R1 institutions, and for most people, that is more than enough.  

As to your second sentence, I don't know of a single lab that operates that way.  When another group can reproduce your results, that increases the impact of your work.  The incentives for scientists are exactly the opposite of what you seem to think they are.  

Scientists are largely driven by... ego.  They want to be the first ones to have made a breakthrough in understanding or technology.  And they want to publish papers in the best journals so that their work is highly cited and their h-index (basically a third leg) grows and grows.  

Ego drives all manner of immoral behavior.

There are certainly folks who have been driven to falsify data to make their ideas look better than they really are, but that's about it.  Usually this is discovered eventually and it doesn't go well for them at all.  

Ozzie_Isaac

Btw, @fishlessman nicely played friend.  Got us hook, line, and sinker.

Ozzie_Isaac

Just read all the thread.  There are some great quips in there.

Btw, after evaluating my system of beliefs, I now think the majority of people are scientists and operating from a feeling of altruism.

Hopefully, some of these scientists will be listened to during policy debates.

Hans61

My dooms day meal if planned would be a surf n turf parmesan garlic butter filet mignon, sous vide lobster tail with fried onions and potatoes. Dessert would be moms rubarb crisp with a little vanilla ice cream.

Hans61

Oh and a salad with home made croutons and homemade creamy parmesan dressing - single malt scotch throughout the meal. 

blasting

Hans61 said:

My dooms day meal if planned would be a surf n turf parmesan garlic butter filet mignon, sous vide lobster tail with fried onions and potatoes. Dessert would be moms rubarb crisp with a little vanilla ice cream.

sounds good Hans!

mine starts with ABTs, ribeye, au gratin spuds, squash casserole, with peach cobbler and home made ice cream for dessert

my apologies for interrupting the politics talk.

Hans61

I like the way you think @blasting !!!

Ozzie_Isaac

My last meal would be Sushi.  That is my absolute favorite food.

blasting

Ozzie_Isaac said:

My last meal would be Sushi.  That is my absolute favorite food.

I like you Ozzie, but you are banned.

thetrim

It's an "Inconvenient Truth" that Sous Vide cooking is taking over the Egghead Forum

DoubleEgger

Just read that Miami decided they weren't going to be a sanctuary city any longer. 

nolaegghead

thetrim said:

It's an "Inconvenient Truth" that Sous Vide cooking is taking over the Egghead Forum

Global food warming!

thetrim

DoubleEgger said:

Just read that Miami decided they weren't going to be a sanctuary city any longer. 

Yup. Miami Dade County.  Interesting to see what happens w/ wet foot/dry foot policy after BO got rid of it in his waning days as POTUS.  One more middle finger to the Cuban people.

thetrim

nolaegghead said:

thetrim said:

It's an "Inconvenient Truth" that Sous Vide cooking is taking over the Egghead Forum

Global food warming!

At a precise and constant temperature!

HeavyG

DoubleEgger said:

Just read that Miami decided they weren't going to be a sanctuary city any longer. 

Guess Trump grabbed Miami by its pu$$y.

JohnInCarolina

The GOP is floating a 20% tax on Mexican goods to pay for the wall.  I did not see that coming.

westernbbq

Watched Hannity tonight interviewing President Trump.   The series of questions centered on the enemy we face.  President Trump talked about how in history the enemy had its uniforms on, and the one we face today has no uniform, and he referred to people who go blow up nightclubs as RATS.  

We finally have a leader with BALLS!  

thetrim

JohnInCarolina said:

The GOP is floating a 20% tax on Mexican goods to pay for the wall.  I did not see that coming.

Taco Tuesday 1.2

JohnInCarolina

westernbbq said:

Watched Hannity tonight interviewing President Trump.   The series of questions centered on the enemy we face.  President Trump talked about how in history the enemy had its uniforms on, and the one we face today has no uniform, and he referred to people who go blow up nightclubs as RATS.  

We finally have a leader with BALLS!  

There probably isn't a bigger bootlicking simp on television than Hannity.  That guy is in a league of his own.

nolaegghead

westernbbq said:

Watched Hannity tonight interviewing President Trump.   The series of questions centered on the enemy we face.  President Trump talked about how in history the enemy had its uniforms on, and the one we face today has no uniform, and he referred to people who go blow up nightclubs as RATS.  

We finally have a leader with BALLS!  

Riiggghhhtt.   North Korea, Russia, China and Iran don't have uniforms anymore.  And I suppose the Fenian and Irish Republican Brotherhoods sewed them back in the 1850s.  Also probably the Jacobians in 1700 France wore uniforms.  Because they wanted to be identified.   Go back to the first century, the Sicarii in the Judaea province probably wore them too.   Really, it's just brilliant that he's identified terrorists as people that don't wear uniforms!  And for the first time in history!!!  This must be the secret that he is going to tell the generals. Friggin' brilliant.

Legume

JohnInCarolina said:

The GOP is floating a 20% tax on Mexican goods to pay for the wall.  I did not see that coming.

Doesn't that mean we're paying for the wall, one margarita at a time?

nolaegghead

JohnInCarolina said:

The GOP is floating a 20% tax on Mexican goods to pay for the wall.  I did not see that coming.

So in this case the seller is going to pay the tax?  I wonder how that works.  But our consumer prices aren't going to rise then.  Whew!

thetrim

I'll be cooking up a whole lotta Bull$**** burritos.

thetrim

Damn!  The Buffalo is on to me!

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

JohnInCarolina said:

Do folks here genuinely believe that scientists get rich off of government funding?  Enough that they'd falsify data?

They will let their bias creep in and in some cases do what they need to do to keep food on their plate.

Not sharing data, not sharing processes, and publishing results other labs cannot repeat does not strike me interested in the truth.

To "keep food on their plate" ?  I know some faculty who do not do research.  I hate to break it to you, but they're not starving.  The institution provides nine months of salary at most R1 institutions, and for most people, that is more than enough.  

As to your second sentence, I don't know of a single lab that operates that way.  When another group can reproduce your results, that increases the impact of your work.  The incentives for scientists are exactly the opposite of what you seem to think they are.  

Scientists are largely driven by... ego.  They want to be the first ones to have made a breakthrough in understanding or technology.  And they want to publish papers in the best journals so that their work is highly cited and their h-index (basically a third leg) grows and grows.  

What's your thoughts on the textbook situation at this stellar institutions? Robbery. In many cases the same book used for decades with no revisions and 300% increase in cost. Disgraceful. 

Lets face ace it John your world is not the real world and it needs to be turned on its ear. BIG EDUCATION is what I call it. Sounds more ominous that way. Learned it from your ilk.