Real Sports w/Brian Gumbel - maybe the best sports segment I've ever seen. Must watch.

Eggcelsior

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

pgprescott

nolaegghead said:

@pgprescott Did you watch the video?

No. 

pgprescott

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Only would even have a remote chance of success if they were all young and healthy. More people also means more risk. I understand that many people that have no experience in business think that these insurers just take in premiums, but that's only part of the equation. One major reason for the failure of the ACA is the anticipated pool of participants is too sick. Your equation is malarkey.

If you work for a hospital, then I am very confident there are some sort of outside forces at play, just as I stated. If not, Go ahead and cancel that policy and simply go out on your own and purchase it. It's subsidized in some way.

nolaegghead

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

@pgprescott Did you watch the video?

No. 

Watch it.  And tell us what you think.

nolaegghead

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Only would even have a remote chance of success if they were all young and healthy. More people also means more risk. I understand that many people that have no experience in business think that these insurers just take in premiums, but that's only part of the equation. One major reason for the failure of the ACA is the anticipated pool of participants is too sick. Your equation is malarkey.

If you work for a hospital, then I am very confident there are some sort of outside forces at play, just as I stated. If not, Go ahead and cancel that policy and simply go out on your own and purchase it. It's subsidized in some way.

This thread is about golf.

pgprescott

nolaegghead said:

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

@pgprescott Did you watch the video?

No. 

Watch it.  And tell us what you think.

First of all it Gumbel! Really? He's like Bill Maher, only even more smug. Just because he has a serious look on your face doesn't mean I will take him seriously.

If I have time. Is it worse than Tony Rezco or Bill Ayers?

JohnInCarolina

JustineCaseyFeldown said:

-open up insurance to out of state insurers (more competition)
-require insurers to reimburse all healthcare givers, rather than just those doctors/systems they negotiate deals with
-require everyone to have insurance (because those of us paying higher premiums are already paying for their health care anyway, and usually in an emergency)
-charge more to people with unhealthy lifestyle factors (obesity, smoking, alcohol, etc.), just like you would charge more to insure a driver who has chronic history of moving violations
-require coverage of pre-existing conditions (otherwise you may never be able to move from one job to another and/or switch insurers)

most of, if not all of these, were proposed as a part of the whole process of writing the ACA , some from both sides of the aisle, too IIRC.

they were gutted by the lobbyists, whose job it is to maintain the status quo.

Yep and those lobbyists are still very much in place.  There are actual policy solutions here, and then there is what is politically possible, due to a variety of factors.  Fairly large gap between the two.

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

JustineCaseyFeldown said:

-open up insurance to out of state insurers (more competition)
-require insurers to reimburse all healthcare givers, rather than just those doctors/systems they negotiate deals with
-require everyone to have insurance (because those of us paying higher premiums are already paying for their health care anyway, and usually in an emergency)
-charge more to people with unhealthy lifestyle factors (obesity, smoking, alcohol, etc.), just like you would charge more to insure a driver who has chronic history of moving violations
-require coverage of pre-existing conditions (otherwise you may never be able to move from one job to another and/or switch insurers)

most of, if not all of these, were proposed as a part of the whole process of writing the ACA , some from both sides of the aisle, too IIRC.

they were gutted by the lobbyists, whose job it is to maintain the status quo.

Yep and those lobbyists are still very much in place.  There are actual policy solutions here, and then there is what is politically possible, due to a variety of factors.  Fairly large gap between the two.

Correct. You should be happy that we have a Bully with a twitter account to maybe break through the mess. Maybe not, but maybe so.

nolaegghead

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

@pgprescott Did you watch the video?

No. 

Watch it.  And tell us what you think.

First of all it Gumbel! Really? He's like Bill Maher, only even more smug. Just because he has a serious look on your face doesn't mean I will take him seriously.

If I have time. Is it worse than Tony Rezco or Bill Ayers?

Gumbel is just show's main host.  The reporting is done by Bernard Goldberg.

Spaightlabs

Bernard Goldberg is no Sean Hannity.

pgprescott

http://www.msn.com/en-us/news/politics/obama’s-whoppers/ar-AAlZ1aH?li=BBnb7Kz

Here's a liberal groups roundup.

Eggcelsior

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Only would even have a remote chance of success if they were all young and healthy. More people also means more risk. I understand that many people that have no experience in business think that these insurers just take in premiums, but that's only part of the equation. One major reason for the failure of the ACA is the anticipated pool of participants is too sick. Your equation is malarkey.

If you work for a hospital, then I am very confident there are some sort of outside forces at play, just as I stated. If not, Go ahead and cancel that policy and simply go out on your own and purchase it. It's subsidized in some way.

We have full-time and part-time employees. Many of our employees are young due to the demographics of a large academic health institution. Prior to the mandate, a lot of employees declined having the insurance so 60-odd bucks didn't come out of each paycheck. After the mandate, they all signed up for the employer-provided insurance and the 60-odd buck policy reduced to 38 dollars per pay. The policy is subsidized by my employer. Since we are a non-profit institution, those savings were passed on to the employees since it made the bottom line better. We also introduced incentive programs to reward healthy behavior, such as smoking cessation, BP and blood sugar monitoring, and exercise programs.

Once again, I am sorry that logic and, as evidenced by your last comment, reading comprehension are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you.

CtTOPGUN

 Seems a wonderful golf course got built. And due to the timeline, the additional construction of housing and hotel is still to be accomplished. Trunp is not only an idea man, but he is a doer as well. Will it ever achieve the levels of his initial dreams? Don't know. But he is trying to reach that level or as high as he can. The success or failure of this project does not give me any reason to suspect Trump will be a good nor a bad President.

 As for fighting the windmill project? Watch some vids of the people complaining about living near them currently. Eyesores. Noisey. Kill birds(although modern slower turning designs have reduced this). Shadowing!!! (this would drive most people crazy) I certainly don't blame Trump for fighting the installation of these near his property. And fight as hard as he can. He has a lot invested.

 Will he be a good President? God, I hope so. Since he is not completely beholden to the Republican Party leaders, we may have the chance for new ideas and across the aisle compromise. Or we can continue down the path of a divided country and get nothing accomplished.

   Jim

pgprescott

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Only would even have a remote chance of success if they were all young and healthy. More people also means more risk. I understand that many people that have no experience in business think that these insurers just take in premiums, but that's only part of the equation. One major reason for the failure of the ACA is the anticipated pool of participants is too sick. Your equation is malarkey.

If you work for a hospital, then I am very confident there are some sort of outside forces at play, just as I stated. If not, Go ahead and cancel that policy and simply go out on your own and purchase it. It's subsidized in some way.

We have full-time and part-time employees. Many of our employees are young due to the demographics of a large academic health institution. Prior to the mandate, a lot of employees declined having the insurance so 60-odd bucks didn't come out of each paycheck. After the mandate, they all signed up for the employer-provided insurance and the 60-odd buck policy reduced to 38 dollars per pay. The policy is subsidized by my employer. Since we are a non-profit institution, those savings were passed on to the employees since it made the bottom line better. We also introduced incentive programs to reward healthy behavior, such as smoking cessation, BP and blood sugar monitoring, and exercise programs.

Once again, I am sorry that logic and, as evidenced by your last comment, reading comprehension are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you.

Did you say the policy is subsidized? I thought so. Durp durp durp! The fact it is a learning institution leads me to suspect it is subsidized a a far greater level than you think. 

You're wrong.
You admitted your wrong.
 Now you want to claim your not wrong.

Spaightlabs

pgprescott said:

Your wrong.
You admitted your wrong.
 Now you want to claim your not wrong.

*you're...

just sayin'

theyolksonyou

Spaightlabs said:

pgprescott said:

Your wrong.

 Now you want to claim your not wrong.

*you're...

just sayin'

Wrong thread. 

HeavyG

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

Healthcare in the US was "subsidized by others" prior to the ACA.

pgprescott

nolaegghead said:

pgprescott said:

nolaegghead said:

@pgprescott Did you watch the video?

No. 

Watch it.  And tell us what you think.

OK, watched it. It's a hack job by Bernie who doesn't like Trump.

 WTF did he do wrong? If they like the dunes and windmills, then they can have them. They can't criticize him for wanting his interests catered to. I don't see the big deal at all. I don't remember Ted Kennedy wanting windmills in his back yard? In fact they are forbidden there. The land owner is obviously irrational, as are the environmental religious types. That's why you have courts. He may win, he may lose. He would be foolish to continue to dump investment into hostile areas without legal assurances at this point, correct? People want their cake and eat it too. Why don't you dump tens of millions in a project where they agree and then fight you every step of the way. Id be surprised if the politicians didn't renege on their promises due to political pressures. You assume his side of the story is incorrect. Thus your bias.

ColtsFan

The ACA is killing middle America. The poor gets covered for pennies, while the middle class gets screwed. My small company quite offering employer provided healthcare. Went to the exchange where I don't qualify for a subsidy because I make too much money. So I'm left with crap insurance with a 6k deductible and that cost me 5k/year.

pgprescott

HeavyG said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

Healthcare in the US was "subsidized by others" prior to the ACA.

I agree. That is a major reason for inflation in the entire industry (education as well) The answer is not more subsidies. If we were made to be responsible and treated the decisions like any other, the costs would drop dramatically. It's tricky for sure. The ACA is a bad idea from the jump. Totally backwards thinking IMO. If your shoe is on fire you don't toss a bucket of gasoline over your head.

Eggcelsior

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Only would even have a remote chance of success if they were all young and healthy. More people also means more risk. I understand that many people that have no experience in business think that these insurers just take in premiums, but that's only part of the equation. One major reason for the failure of the ACA is the anticipated pool of participants is too sick. Your equation is malarkey.

If you work for a hospital, then I am very confident there are some sort of outside forces at play, just as I stated. If not, Go ahead and cancel that policy and simply go out on your own and purchase it. It's subsidized in some way.

We have full-time and part-time employees. Many of our employees are young due to the demographics of a large academic health institution. Prior to the mandate, a lot of employees declined having the insurance so 60-odd bucks didn't come out of each paycheck. After the mandate, they all signed up for the employer-provided insurance and the 60-odd buck policy reduced to 38 dollars per pay. The policy is subsidized by my employer. Since we are a non-profit institution, those savings were passed on to the employees since it made the bottom line better. We also introduced incentive programs to reward healthy behavior, such as smoking cessation, BP and blood sugar monitoring, and exercise programs.

Once again, I am sorry that logic and, as evidenced by your last comment, reading comprehension are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you.

Did you say the policy is subsidized? I thought so. Durp durp durp! The fact it is a learning institution leads me to suspect it is subsidized a a far greater level than you think. 

Your wrong.
You admitted your wrong.
 Now you want to claim your not wrong.

I never said it wasn't subsidized. How exactly am I "wrong"? It's an employer-provided health plan that is not subsidized by any outside factors. All I said is that my policy did not change benefit-wise and the premium price dropped after implementation of the ACA. It's true that other people in this country who don't work in their namesake's BBQ shop may have different experiences and outcomes than you that does not reinforce your belief system. That's okay!

 In addition, I am sorry that logic, reading comprehension and, as evidenced by your last comment, mastery of the English language are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you. Comment edited to contain new-found information

pgprescott

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Here is where you called me stupid for saying that it has to be subsidized.

Hey, just because your feeble portion of a heavily subsidized plan went down doesn't mean the actual plan cost went down. Your being dumb.

pgprescott

I did that on purpose . Just for you. Oh, and Stike too.

Eggcelsior

pgprescott said:

I did that on purpose . Just for you. Oh, and Stike too.

Key phrase: "by others". That also wasn't part of the original conceit of your argument.  Keep moving those goalposts to make yourself feel better.

The letter I received literally said "We were able to reduce individual costs of our group plan from an increase in enrollment allowing us to negotiate a better rate on the current one..."

SmokeyPitt

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

Eggcelsior said:

NPHuskerFL said:

I love you like brothers @JohnInCarolina @nolaegghead you know this. 
"If you like your healthcare plan you can keep it"  "families will see healthcare premiums decrease"

For what it's worth, I did get to keep my plan and my premiums decreased.

¯\_(ツ)_/¯

Deductibles too? BS? Coverage within the plan reduced? 

Nope. Literally, everything stayed the same with the exception that the premium dropped by 60% or so. 

BS! unless it is subsidized by others in some way. Simply don't believe that. You have a pet unicorn as well?

You do realize that your reality and life experiences may not match other people's? Your expressed opinion is the literal definition of confirmation bias.

Say what you want. I don't believe you. Without some sort of outside factor, it is illogical.

The ACA was the outside factor. More people on the policy = lower premiums. Logic is hard, and I'm sorry you have a hard time with it. If I could show you the letter that employees received from the hospital 5 or so years ago, I would.

Only would even have a remote chance of success if they were all young and healthy. More people also means more risk. I understand that many people that have no experience in business think that these insurers just take in premiums, but that's only part of the equation. One major reason for the failure of the ACA is the anticipated pool of participants is too sick. Your equation is malarkey.

If you work for a hospital, then I am very confident there are some sort of outside forces at play, just as I stated. If not, Go ahead and cancel that policy and simply go out on your own and purchase it. It's subsidized in some way.

We have full-time and part-time employees. Many of our employees are young due to the demographics of a large academic health institution. Prior to the mandate, a lot of employees declined having the insurance so 60-odd bucks didn't come out of each paycheck. After the mandate, they all signed up for the employer-provided insurance and the 60-odd buck policy reduced to 38 dollars per pay. The policy is subsidized by my employer. Since we are a non-profit institution, those savings were passed on to the employees since it made the bottom line better. We also introduced incentive programs to reward healthy behavior, such as smoking cessation, BP and blood sugar monitoring, and exercise programs.

Once again, I am sorry that logic and, as evidenced by your last comment, reading comprehension are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you.

Did you say the policy is subsidized? I thought so. Durp durp durp! The fact it is a learning institution leads me to suspect it is subsidized a a far greater level than you think. 

Your wrong.
You admitted your wrong.
 Now you want to claim your not wrong.

I never said it wasn't subsidized. How exactly am I "wrong"? It's an employer-provided health plan that is not subsidized by any outside factors. All I said is that my policy did not change benefit-wise and the premium price dropped after implementation of the ACA. It's true that other people in this country who don't work in their namesake's BBQ shop may have different experiences and outcomes than you that does not reinforce your belief system. That's okay!

 In addition, I am sorry that logic, reading comprehension and, as evidenced by your last comment, mastery of the English language are difficult for you. Life is hard. If sticking to your Chicken Little thoughts is what it takes for you to feel sane in your apparent reality, you keep doing you. Comment edited to contain new-found information

I just want to see how deep we can get this quote. Like this thread, it will eventually implode. 

pgprescott

Eggcelsior said:

pgprescott said:

I did that on purpose . Just for you. Oh, and Stike too.

Key phrase: "by others". That also wasn't part of the original conceit of your argument.  Keep moving those goalposts to make yourself feel better.

The letter I received literally said "We were able to reduce individual costs of our group plan from an increase in enrollment allowing us to negotiate a better rate on the current one..."

Whatever.
You are full of crap.

Go feed the unicorn.
  
Get back to me with the actual cost of the plan prior to ACA and post ACA. I would literally have to see it to believe it. The fact that you don't know what the insurance actually cost is telling. It is quite juvenile to even think of the minimal amount of co pay you contribute as any kind of useful information in the larger argument. You are participating in a heavily subsidized plan. Your experience as shared on this post is in fact worthless information. My daughters insurance didn't change either. Because I still pay for all of it. DUH!

nolaegghead

Why don't you guys start a health care thread, this one is supposed to be about a golf course.

theyolksonyou

I just went to healthcare.gov and I'll be damn if they aren't talking about how fvcking expensive brisket is!!!!

!!!! For @Legume

pgprescott

nolaegghead said:

Why don't you guys start a health care thread, this one is supposed to be about a golf course.

you don't even play golf. 

It's not a healthcare discussion so much as a fairy tale.

nolaegghead

Then start a fairy tale thread.