WAY OT: Keeping gun in vehicle

RRP

Eggcelsior said

You may only carry when riding a moose. Exceptions made for red and black flannel and/or a full denim ensemble when on foot.

Care to translate what you just said? 

WeberWho

RRP said:

Eggcelsior said

You may only carry when riding a moose. Exceptions made for red and black flannel and/or a full denim ensemble when on foot.

Care to translate what you just said? 

Translation - Joke

poster

RRP said:

Little Steven said:

 You may not want to drive into Canada with that puppy in there.

Out of total ignorance here, Steven, what are the laws in Canada about weapons in general and CC?

Hand guns are a restricted weapon. You cannot carry in any way or form except to a range, and if going to a range you need to get a permit to do so. Very few people own handguns here, as it also requires a special licence to be able to aquire which isnt the easiest to get.(i personally have it). Long guns are a fair bit easier to obtain, but also require a licence for unrestricted weapons which is basically a 16-20 hour course, and a bunch of money. You must re-new every 5 years. If you forget you have to start process all over. We had a long gun registry for a bit where everyone had to register every fire arm in their name or risk having them taken away. This costed billions and has since been scrapped. Ultimately they wanted to know what gun everyone had, and eliminate private sales amd trades. This caused a lot of outrage with people that were given guns, or traded, or been passed down etc.

kl8ton

One of our customers in Canada said gun laws in his area were strict.  He was saying if he wanted to go shoot at a range,  he would need to seek permission/let the police know he was going to be taking a firearm out of his house and transporting it.   

gmac

poster said:

RRP said:

Little Steven said:

 You may not want to drive into Canada with that puppy in there.

Out of total ignorance here, Steven, what are the laws in Canada about weapons in general and CC?

Hand guns are a restricted weapon. You cannot carry in any way or form except to a range, and if going to a range you need to get a permit to do so. Very few people own handguns here, as it also requires a special licence to be able to aquire which isnt the easiest to get.(i personally have it). Long guns are a fair bit easier to obtain, but also require a licence for unrestricted weapons which is basically a 16-20 hour course, and a bunch of money. You must re-new every 5 years. If you forget you have to start process all over. We had a long gun registry for a bit where everyone had to register every fire arm in their name or risk having them taken away. This costed billions and has since been scrapped. Ultimately they wanted to know what gun everyone had, and eliminate private sales amd trades. This caused a lot of outrage with people that were given guns, or traded, or been passed down etc.

All of the above. I also have a restricted permit which allows me to purchase a pistol but there are no carry permits, concealed or otherwise. Not to get political but I am personally fine with that as I have no reason to feel I would ever need to. My only restricted is an old H&R 9 shot .22 that my Grandfather used to carry trapping when it was legal, not any more, and I keep for sentimental reasons. 

If you want to shoot ipsc or anything like that you need to be a member at a range. But despite what some think, you can own pistols and other "restricted" weapons but not prohibited which are usually full auto etc. 

poster

Also the licence is federal, so same rules across the country

onedbguru

Carrying a weapon for personal protection is a great responsibility. If I could, I would (I Live in a communist/Nazi state of MD).  The thing is, your safety is first and foremost, your responsibility. Over the years, we have been lulled and even coerced into believing that the gov't will protect you. Just remember, when those few seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

SCOTUS has made it clear that the police are not obligated to "protect" someone, they are only there to clean up the mess after-the-fact. If they are arrive in time, they may (and will) act to protect. Again, when those few seconds count, the police are only minutes away. 

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Therefore, it is incumbent upon you to protect yourself. Or not.

DuckDogDr

@Carolina Q I have been raised around them my whole life, and safety(both firearm and my own personal) was an essential part of that up bringing. 
A great leader once said speak softly and carry a big stick (teddy Roosevelt ).. And I still believe that phrase is pertinent today.

i have lived in several states throughout college, internships and job changes. Each time i feel like I have put forth a reasonable effort to live in a safe area... However that doesn't mean when traveling things can't happen .. Or you inadvertently cross paths with high individuals desperate for a dollar any way they can get it..

 I have unfortunately had to use my concealed weapon once.. (It was not discharged) However there was no doubt as to what was in my hand when i was about to be robbed... I made it clear to the individuals i was not going to be a victim... And that was enough.

At my current place of employment there is a "don't ask don't tell policy about CCW". Literally 1/3 of the staff has one ... 1/3 doesn't care... And 1/3 are opposed.  I'm employed in a VERY NICE area and yet we get put into some uncomfortable situations and have had to call police sometimes.. At their QUICKEST it takes them 20 min to respond.. A lot can happen in 20 minutes ...

There was actually an incident about 2 weeks ago (I was off).. In which every nurse that had a gun retrieved it in case something happened before the police arrived.. Guy was obviously cracked out, said his dog needed pain meds.. But did not have it with him..became severely agitated that we would not just "dispense his dog meds " and became Increasingly agitated throwing papers etc

I never rub it in their faces or gloat .. But I find it funny / ironic when the ones opposed to CCW are glad when I work and there's incidents like that .. As they know they will be protected if it resorts to that ... They know mine is on me at all times.

I also find it ironic / funny that politicians and individuals want to remove guns from law abiding citizens...

isnt cocaine illegal.. Isn't heroin illegal? And yet don't the scum of the earth still get and use if they want it ... Isn't it a national problem.. Yes

so what good would it serve to remove them from the hands of individuals who go through the LEGAL processes of owning them.. 
If criminals want them they will get them whether or not they can be purchased from a local retailer.. Me , my parents and YOU  should have the ability to fight fire with fire if it comes to it.

End of soap box

Eggcelsior

onedbguru said:

Carrying a weapon for personal protection is a great responsibility. If I could, I would (I Live in a communist/Nazi state of MD).  The thing is, your safety is first and foremost, your responsibility. Over the years, we have been lulled and even coerced into believing that the gov't will protect you. Just remember, when those few seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

SCOTUS has made it clear that the police are not obligated to "protect" someone, they are only there to clean up the mess after-the-fact. If they are arrive in time, they may (and will) act to protect. Again, when those few seconds count, the police are only minutes away. 

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Therefore, it is incumbent upon you to protect yourself. Or not.

I'd like to know what is communist and/or nazi about the State of Maryland, since those two methods of thought/governance are completely opposite. It would be quite amazing if this were true, since we would basically be the State of Schrödinger's Cat.

onedbguru

funny how most people who are victims go through the training and buy a gun for their future protection.  As the meme stated: Carrying a gun is like a parachute. If you don't have one when you need it, it is doubtful you will ever need it again.

Ozzie_Isaac

I carry a cellphone.  Cops are just minutes away.

onedbguru

Ozzie_Isaac said:

I carry a cellphone.  Cops are just minutes away.

Wouldn't hold my breath on them getting there anytime soon.. and oh yeah, by the time you try to dial 911 your vehicle/wallet/phone will be gone and you may be dead.  Can you say "victim".

nolaegghead

onedbguru said:

Carrying a weapon for personal protection is a great responsibility. If I could, I would (I Live in a communist/Nazi state of MD).  The thing is, your safety is first and foremost, your responsibility. Over the years, we have been lulled and even coerced into believing that the gov't will protect you. Just remember, when those few seconds count, the police are only minutes away.

SCOTUS has made it clear that the police are not obligated to "protect" someone, they are only there to clean up the mess after-the-fact. If they are arrive in time, they may (and will) act to protect. Again, when those few seconds count, the police are only minutes away. 

Justices Rule Police Do Not Have a Constitutional Duty to Protect Someone

Therefore, it is incumbent upon you to protect yourself. Or not.

Is it politically incorrect if I said I'm fvcking confused by this?

gmac

I'm betting the buffalo shoots this one down sooner than later. But then again, the buffalo seems to have been roaming the Great Plains without internet recently based on how long the NPD thread has survived. 
Stampede on mighty Buffalo, stampede on...  

nolaegghead

onedbguru said:

funny how most people who are victims go through the training and buy a gun for their future protection.  As the meme stated: Carrying a gun is like a parachute. If you don't have one when you need it, it is doubtful you will ever need it again.

Never saw that study, care to share your source?

nolaegghead

onedbguru said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

I carry a cellphone.  Cops are just minutes away.

Wouldn't hold my breath on them getting there anytime soon.. and oh yeah, by the time you try to dial 911 your vehicle/wallet/phone will be gone and you may be dead.  Can you say "victim".

"victim"

Battleborn

I carry regularly, not all the time, but regularly. It may be just me personally, but if someone wants my wallet/car/phone, they can have it. It's just stuff. However, if it comes down to me going home or the safety of my family, I know how to use my firearm to remove myself from a situation. 

To get back to the OP. That is a great setup!

Killit_and_Grillit

@Mickey you have won the forum today.  Sparked lively conversation. I don't think many left butt hurt. Nobody got hateful about the election. All in all well done. 

Mickey

Little Steven said:

Gives Road Rage a whole new meaning Mick! You may not want to drive into Canada with that puppy in there.

I found a Toyota dealer in Bellingham who will store my Glock in his office safe when I travel in Canada next time. No way in hell would I take that chance. You guys don't play nice when someone brings a gun across the line. 

nolaegghead

The big problem with everyone carrying guns is they become emboldened and more aggressive in everyday interactions with other people, such as those they think wronged them.  Guns give the carriers of those guns the semblance of a physical game-winning advantage.

Think about how many people have anger management issues and, as such, will blow minor human interactions out of proportion.  Makes it like the wild west.  People don't think clearly when they're emotionally at "11" on the 1-10 scale.   Road rage, girl friends, suspicious or aggressive behavior - if you have a certain personality type, you're more likely to be more aggressive if you're packing.  Most incidences can be defused. 

Guns don't kill people, a-holes kill people.  There are many a-holes.

Most people are going to be responsible as carriers or owners of guns.  There will be carelessness like letting your kids shoot up the house when you don't lock it up properly, or suicide, or accidents because the average gun owner doesn't know what the fvck they're doing when handling it or cleaning it, etc.

I have a lot of guns - I like them, don't carry them or keep em in the car.  I'll put one in the car if I'm going somewhere dicey, like a craigslist purchase in a crappy neighborhood. 

If you have concerns about safety, there are much more important steps you can take to mitigate danger.  Your most powerful weapon is your brain.  Secondary is alarm systems, locking up stuff, paying attention to your surrounding, understanding real vs perceived risk, etc.

Yes, I've seen a gun battle, yes, I've put a gun to the head of someone breaking into my house (retarded guy, most would have shot him), yes, I've had a gun pointed at me.  In none of these situations did the weapon help me.  I think the bravado about "shootin' dem bad guys" is a bunch of crap.  Shut the **** up. Be a smart person and pay attention.  Sure, keep a gun, but be practical about gun laws.  Look at the statistics.  We pay a disproportionate amount to attention to some of the least probably scenarios.

Fred19Flintstone

Ozzie_Isaac said:

I carry a cellphone.  Cops are just minutes away.

There's an old saying:  When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.  Good luck fending off an attack with a cell phone.

HeavyG

nolaegghead said:

...I think the bravado about "shootin' dem bad guys" is a bunch of crap.  Shut the **** up. Be a smart person and pay attention.  Sure, keep a gun, but be practical about gun laws.  Look at the statistics.  We pay a disproportionate amount to attention to some of the least probably scenarios.

I think a lot of this falls into the Walter Mitty/CosPlay/LARP realms.

That and a poor grasp of statistical data.

gmac

Anyone know how to post that Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif?

HeavyG

Fred19Flintstone said:

Ozzie_Isaac said:

I carry a cellphone.  Cops are just minutes away.

There's an old saying:  When seconds count, the cops are just minutes away.  Good luck fending off an attack with a cell phone.

If it's a Samsung you just pull the pin and lob it at them...... kaboom..... 

HofstraJet

gmac said:

Anyone know how to post that Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif?

gmac

HofstraJet said:

gmac said:

Anyone know how to post that Michael Jackson eating popcorn gif?

@HofstraJet. Thanks, that's the one...

Killit_and_Grillit

@nolaegghead  you have a valid argument. 

Having lived and been deployed to countries where no gun meant being prey to some of the most horrific things man can do to another man...it makes you appreciate a government that respects your right to defend yourself from such atrocities. Having said that I have spent (in my field of work) thousands of hours training on such scenarios. Most people are not willing to put such time into their craft. Kind of like "everyone can cook"!!!

But, if this forum has taught us anything it is this...the first amendment is much like the second. Just because you have the right doesn't mean you have the ability. 

westernbbq

Glock 17 with two  15 round clips and a .357 magnum are in my safe...just in case...

Toxarch

You ever notice that pretty much all mass shootings happen in "gun free zones"?

There were a bunch of people who went to see a movie in a theater in Colorado. They didn't allow guns inside so those with licenses left their guns in their vehicles. A guy came in with a gun and started shooting people. I'm sure lots of people pulled out the cell phones and called 911. The cops did not arrive before a bunch of people died. I'm sure, like some have stated here, many of those people thought they were in a place where they would never need a gun to protect themselves. One licensed legal carrier could have stopped that shooter pretty quick.

I try not to go places where I think I might need a gun. But I have no idea where some lunatic will decide they want to shoot people. I have a LTC. I'll use my gun to protect myself, my family, and a stranger if needed.

Toxarch

Smokin_Trout said:

Under the steering column doesn't count as out of sight? It has to be completely covered?

I have a good friend who is a TX State Trooper and I asked him about that. He said that out of sight meant that the gun could not be seen by looking into the vehicle through the window. So if you can put the gun in the holster under the steering column and it can't be seen from outside the car, then you are OK. Would probably work in a car, but not a truck.
However, if you have a LTC, then you can open carry in your vehicle as long as the gun is on your person. It can't be sitting next to you or anything like that.