Remember now thy hippy, and honor him.

DoubleEgger

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas .

United Technologies has a huge stake in defense spending so pissing off the Trump administration wasn't in their best interests.

theyolksonyou

So long as they don't burn a flag

HeavyG

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

So what is the quid pro quo in that arrangment?

DoubleEgger

HeavyG said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

So what is the quid pro quo in that arrangment?

I read that Indiana had put some extra tax incentives on the table. Typical stuff...

United Tech does not want to piss off the Federal Government and get blackballed from tens of billions of dollars a year in defense contracting over a 1000 jobs relocating to Mexico. UTC is very risk adverse. 

SloppyJoe

The hippy is much appreciated in keeping things fair and balanced.  It's always good to have a few crazy liberals in the mix.  

HeavyG

DoubleEgger said:

HeavyG said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

So what is the quid pro quo in that arrangment?

I read that Indiana had put some extra tax incentives on the table. Typical stuff...

United Tech does not want to piss off the Federal Government and get blackballed from tens of billions of dollars a year in defense contracting over a 1000 jobs relocating to Mexico. UTC is very risk adverse. 

I assumed there will be taxpayer money being given out in corporate welfare.

I also assumed there was likely a wink-wink about Carriers parent company UTC and government contracts.

Be interesting to see what other details were involved.

theyolksonyou

HeavyG said:

DoubleEgger said:

HeavyG said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

So what is the quid pro quo in that arrangment?

I read that Indiana had put some extra tax incentives on the table. Typical stuff...

United Tech does not want to piss off the Federal Government and get blackballed from tens of billions of dollars a year in defense contracting over a 1000 jobs relocating to Mexico. UTC is very risk adverse. 

I assumed there will be taxpayer money being given out in corporate welfare.

I also assumed there was likely a wink-wink about Carriers parent company UTC and government contracts.

Be interesting to see what other details were involved.

As opposed to all the taxpayer money for folks on the dole, or ACA supliments to cover our share of their insurance at inflation rates greater than 25%?  At least these full clears are working. 

DoubleEgger

HeavyG said:

DoubleEgger said:

HeavyG said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

So what is the quid pro quo in that arrangment?

I read that Indiana had put some extra tax incentives on the table. Typical stuff...

United Tech does not want to piss off the Federal Government and get blackballed from tens of billions of dollars a year in defense contracting over a 1000 jobs relocating to Mexico. UTC is very risk adverse. 

I assumed there will be taxpayer money being given out in corporate welfare.

I also assumed there was likely a wink-wink about Carriers parent company UTC and government contracts.

Be interesting to see what other details were involved.

Taxpayers are always on the hook for corporate welfare. Nearly every business of size in America is located where it's at because of a tax incentive. 

billt01

JohnInCarolina

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

Why is this a loss for liberals if the upshot is some folks get to keep their jobs in Indiana?  If the cost for that is that my next air conditioner or F16 costs me a few more bucks, I'm ok with that.  

I am a bit concerned that we've now established an incentive for savvy CEOs to threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay.  I'm not sure this kind of thing is a sustainable economic approach over the long term.

caliking

JohnInCarolina said

Nola never took any of this seriously, and was more than happy to open his home to anyone and everyone from all walks of life at Brisket Camp.  Both attributes are worth keeping in mind.

Correction- he does that all the time. Not just at BC. 

NPHuskerFL

DoubleEgger said:

SoCalTim said:

That's just asking to have your car vandalized. 

pgprescott

JohnInCarolina said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

Why is this a loss for liberals if the upshot is some folks get to keep their jobs in Indiana?  If the cost for that is that my next air conditioner or F16 costs me a few more bucks, I'm ok with that.  

I am a bit concerned that we've now established an incentive for savvy CEOs to threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay.  I'm not sure this kind of thing is a sustainable economic approach over the long term.

This has been going on for decades.

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

Why is this a loss for liberals if the upshot is some folks get to keep their jobs in Indiana?  If the cost for that is that my next air conditioner or F16 costs me a few more bucks, I'm ok with that.  

I am a bit concerned that we've now established an incentive for savvy CEOs to threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay.  I'm not sure this kind of thing is a sustainable economic approach over the long term.

standing by watching good jobs leave the country isnt much of an economic sustainable plan either.  but then again alot of us govt jobs could be done over seas, how much would we save if for instance the irs was run in india other countries have better education, maybe we could put them in-charge of our schools. why do we need these good jobs, why carrier is just one company, a statement that needed to be made anyways, seems i cross off good customers off my customer list too much these days as they leave the country or get bought up by overseas firms and get dismantled. this country cant support itself if everyone is flipping burgers

JohnInCarolina

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

Why is this a loss for liberals if the upshot is some folks get to keep their jobs in Indiana?  If the cost for that is that my next air conditioner or F16 costs me a few more bucks, I'm ok with that.  

I am a bit concerned that we've now established an incentive for savvy CEOs to threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay.  I'm not sure this kind of thing is a sustainable economic approach over the long term.

standing by watching good jobs leave the country isnt much of an economic sustainable plan either.  but then again alot of us govt jobs could be done over seas, how much would we save if for instance the irs was run in india other countries have better education, maybe we could put them in-charge of our schools. why do we need these good jobs, why carrier is just one company, a statement that needed to be made anyways, seems i cross off good customers off my customer list too much these days as they leave the country or get bought up by overseas firms and get dismantled. this country cant support itself if everyone is flipping burgers

I certainly agree with your last line.  The erosion of the middle class in this country has been a concern for many years, if not decades.  I am skeptical that massive corporate tax cuts are going to dramatically turn that around, but I guess we are going to run the experiment and find out.  

fishlessman

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

Why is this a loss for liberals if the upshot is some folks get to keep their jobs in Indiana?  If the cost for that is that my next air conditioner or F16 costs me a few more bucks, I'm ok with that.  

I am a bit concerned that we've now established an incentive for savvy CEOs to threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay.  I'm not sure this kind of thing is a sustainable economic approach over the long term.

standing by watching good jobs leave the country isnt much of an economic sustainable plan either.  but then again alot of us govt jobs could be done over seas, how much would we save if for instance the irs was run in india other countries have better education, maybe we could put them in-charge of our schools. why do we need these good jobs, why carrier is just one company, a statement that needed to be made anyways, seems i cross off good customers off my customer list too much these days as they leave the country or get bought up by overseas firms and get dismantled. this country cant support itself if everyone is flipping burgers

I certainly agree with your last line.  The erosion of the middle class in this country has been a concern for many years, if not decades.  I am skeptical that massive corporate tax cuts are going to dramatically turn that around, but I guess we are going to run the experiment and find out.  

its not just tax cuts, the trade agreements are not fair. one of my products is a simple pipe manifold, about half go to canada. it attaches to a simple house boiler, 15 psi low pressure,less than whats in your tires, not going to hurt anyone etc. i build high pressure components and engineer these same pieces as they were high pressure, each province in canada wants a detailed package of drawings, engineering etc, i send the package to the proper inspectors, they dont accept them, then they go to 7 different canadian engineering firms, about 2500 dollars per evaluation x 7 (atleast i dont need to do all 10). then i can use the free trade agreement and ship( this process takes 6 months or more. now if a canadian outfit makes these same pieces and sends them to me, they go in a box and ship. so i have this 50 dollar piece of pipe that can not ship until i pony up huge dollars.  this is what we call free trade right now. i chose this one example because its simple and insane, and its just canada. there is no free trade, its rigged if this piece went to say france, or a south american country, i would have it built in germany to avoid their pressure directives. 20 years ago their pressure directive was ASME, the european community crap was a ploy to stop us goods from going overseas. this stuff has been going on to our detriment for a while now, it needs to be stopped.

heres the scary pipe, in canada its been reclassified as a fitting to avoid further problems=)



this one was more difficult, its a down scaled paper mill, it makes paper pulp that can be used to make paper, this is old technology, sent one to toronto, about 9 months paperwork for the shipment, one went to argintina, again about 9 months(the usa classified it as a warship in customs where it sat and sat   one went to china where they shot it, they took out a gun and literally shot it


 us customs thought i built this


 if you can explain this stuff to me, please do, i live in this tiny weld shop thats more like a cave

HeavyG

There is not a single country on the planet that I am aware of that has a true "free trade" policy. Every nation tries to work trade agreements to their advantage. The US alone has over 12,000 different tariffs on imported goods and/or import limits designed to protect US businesses. Sugar is the classic example. 

fishlessman

HeavyG said:

There is not a single country on the planet that I am aware of that has a true "free trade" policy. Every nation tries to work trade agreements to their advantage. The US alone has over 12,000 different tariffs on imported goods and/or import limits designed to protect US businesses. Sugar is the classic example. 

i would prefer tariffs over jumping thru hoops   do you know how to get something like that papermill into china. a manufacturer wants one, contacts a chinese buyer who contacts a us manufacturer, the us manufacturer sells to the buyer who marks the price up 250 percent to sell to the chinese manufacturer. the buyer bribes his way getting the product thru china customs paying everyone off at every step. china wants china to make this stuff, they do not like importing. they really just want one way trade and they push it. we seem to be helping them, the us post office "in china" ships to me at cheaper costs than i can have an item shipped from across town. thats our own foot we are cutting off, nothing to do with tariffs duties or anything, just 66 cents to send a box from china to methuen massachusetts using our postal system. theres something truly wrong with this

poster

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

Why is this a loss for liberals if the upshot is some folks get to keep their jobs in Indiana?  If the cost for that is that my next air conditioner or F16 costs me a few more bucks, I'm ok with that.  

I am a bit concerned that we've now established an incentive for savvy CEOs to threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay.  I'm not sure this kind of thing is a sustainable economic approach over the long term.

standing by watching good jobs leave the country isnt much of an economic sustainable plan either.  but then again alot of us govt jobs could be done over seas, how much would we save if for instance the irs was run in india other countries have better education, maybe we could put them in-charge of our schools. why do we need these good jobs, why carrier is just one company, a statement that needed to be made anyways, seems i cross off good customers off my customer list too much these days as they leave the country or get bought up by overseas firms and get dismantled. this country cant support itself if everyone is flipping burgers

I certainly agree with your last line.  The erosion of the middle class in this country has been a concern for many years, if not decades.  I am skeptical that massive corporate tax cuts are going to dramatically turn that around, but I guess we are going to run the experiment and find out.  

its not just tax cuts, the trade agreements are not fair. one of my products is a simple pipe manifold, about half go to canada. it attaches to a simple house boiler, 15 psi low pressure,less than whats in your tires, not going to hurt anyone etc. i build high pressure components and engineer these same pieces as they were high pressure, each province in canada wants a detailed package of drawings, engineering etc, i send the package to the proper inspectors, they dont accept them, then they go to 7 different canadian engineering firms, about 2500 dollars per evaluation x 7 (atleast i dont need to do all 10). then i can use the free trade agreement and ship( this process takes 6 months or more. now if a canadian outfit makes these same pieces and sends them to me, they go in a box and ship. so i have this 50 dollar piece of pipe that can not ship until i pony up huge dollars.  this is what we call free trade right now. i chose this one example because its simple and insane, and its just canada. there is no free trade, its rigged if this piece went to say france, or a south american country, i would have it built in germany to avoid their pressure directives. 20 years ago their pressure directive was ASME, the european community crap was a ploy to stop us goods from going overseas. this stuff has been going on to our detriment for a while now, it needs to be stopped.

heres the scary pipe, in canada its been reclassified as a fitting to avoid further problems=)



this one was more difficult, its a down scaled paper mill, it makes paper pulp that can be used to make paper, this is old technology, sent one to toronto, about 9 months paperwork for the shipment, one went to argintina, again about 9 months(the usa classified it as a warship in customs where it sat and sat   one went to china where they shot it, they took out a gun and literally shot it


 us customs thought i built this


 if you can explain this stuff to me, please do, i live in this tiny weld shop thats more like a cave

trust me its not just US imports to Canada. I live here and it took me a few weeks and 2K to build a flatbar with 2 holes in it to hold a few hundred pounds. If you seen the drawings, and stamps and yes even instructions on how to use it would boggle your mind. We don't even get into pressure vessels or the like here as it just costs too much, even before any work can be done

lkapigian

JohnInCarolina said:

DoubleEgger said:

Maybe if he just keeps retweeting sixteen-year-olds to insult reporters, Mexico will build the wall on their own!

He said a Mall, Trump is building a Mall in Mexico, Then he is forming a Muslim Band

HeavyG

fishlessman said:

HeavyG said:

There is not a single country on the planet that I am aware of that has a true "free trade" policy. Every nation tries to work trade agreements to their advantage. The US alone has over 12,000 different tariffs on imported goods and/or import limits designed to protect US businesses. Sugar is the classic example. 

i would prefer tariffs over jumping thru hoops   do you know how to get something like that papermill into china. a manufacturer wants one, contacts a chinese buyer who contacts a us manufacturer, the us manufacturer sells to the buyer who marks the price up 250 percent to sell to the chinese manufacturer. the buyer bribes his way getting the product thru china customs paying everyone off at every step. china wants china to make this stuff, they do not like importing. they really just want one way trade and they push it. we seem to be helping them, the us post office "in china" ships to me at cheaper costs than i can have an item shipped from across town. thats our own foot we are cutting off, nothing to do with tariffs duties or anything, just 66 cents to send a box from china to methuen massachusetts using our postal system. theres something truly wrong with this

As I said, EVERY country plays these games. Whether it's tariffs or jumping thru hoops to meet technical specs EVERY country plays these games. Been that way for millennia.

fishlessman

poster said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

Why is this a loss for liberals if the upshot is some folks get to keep their jobs in Indiana?  If the cost for that is that my next air conditioner or F16 costs me a few more bucks, I'm ok with that.  

I am a bit concerned that we've now established an incentive for savvy CEOs to threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay.  I'm not sure this kind of thing is a sustainable economic approach over the long term.

standing by watching good jobs leave the country isnt much of an economic sustainable plan either.  but then again alot of us govt jobs could be done over seas, how much would we save if for instance the irs was run in india other countries have better education, maybe we could put them in-charge of our schools. why do we need these good jobs, why carrier is just one company, a statement that needed to be made anyways, seems i cross off good customers off my customer list too much these days as they leave the country or get bought up by overseas firms and get dismantled. this country cant support itself if everyone is flipping burgers

I certainly agree with your last line.  The erosion of the middle class in this country has been a concern for many years, if not decades.  I am skeptical that massive corporate tax cuts are going to dramatically turn that around, but I guess we are going to run the experiment and find out.  

its not just tax cuts, the trade agreements are not fair. one of my products is a simple pipe manifold, about half go to canada. it attaches to a simple house boiler, 15 psi low pressure,less than whats in your tires, not going to hurt anyone etc. i build high pressure components and engineer these same pieces as they were high pressure, each province in canada wants a detailed package of drawings, engineering etc, i send the package to the proper inspectors, they dont accept them, then they go to 7 different canadian engineering firms, about 2500 dollars per evaluation x 7 (atleast i dont need to do all 10). then i can use the free trade agreement and ship( this process takes 6 months or more. now if a canadian outfit makes these same pieces and sends them to me, they go in a box and ship. so i have this 50 dollar piece of pipe that can not ship until i pony up huge dollars.  this is what we call free trade right now. i chose this one example because its simple and insane, and its just canada. there is no free trade, its rigged if this piece went to say france, or a south american country, i would have it built in germany to avoid their pressure directives. 20 years ago their pressure directive was ASME, the european community crap was a ploy to stop us goods from going overseas. this stuff has been going on to our detriment for a while now, it needs to be stopped.

heres the scary pipe, in canada its been reclassified as a fitting to avoid further problems=)



this one was more difficult, its a down scaled paper mill, it makes paper pulp that can be used to make paper, this is old technology, sent one to toronto, about 9 months paperwork for the shipment, one went to argintina, again about 9 months(the usa classified it as a warship in customs where it sat and sat   one went to china where they shot it, they took out a gun and literally shot it


 us customs thought i built this


 if you can explain this stuff to me, please do, i live in this tiny weld shop thats more like a cave

trust me its not just US imports to Canada. I live here and it took me a few weeks and 2K to build a flatbar with 2 holes in it to hold a few hundred pounds. If you seen the drawings, and stamps and yes even instructions on how to use it would boggle your mind. We don't even get into pressure vessels or the like here as it just costs too much, even before any work can be done

you guys are crazy up there the paperwork to build and send a papermill to canada was half the cost to build it, maybe not half but darn close. between the pressure stuff and the electrical pre approvals, post approvals, third party inspections, fourth party inspections, signoffs, fees, etc. thats my last one going to canada i was so close to selling this one to someone else just to make it go away

fishlessman

poster said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

fishlessman said:

JohnInCarolina said:

SkinnyV said:

Here's some news , Carrier the AC company moving to Mexico.... keeping 1k jobs here in USA

Trump 1 ---- Libs 0

1k smiles.... and fellow Americans going to have a little bit better Christmas (can I say that word) ?

Why is this a loss for liberals if the upshot is some folks get to keep their jobs in Indiana?  If the cost for that is that my next air conditioner or F16 costs me a few more bucks, I'm ok with that.  

I am a bit concerned that we've now established an incentive for savvy CEOs to threaten to ship jobs to Mexico, and demand a payment to stay.  I'm not sure this kind of thing is a sustainable economic approach over the long term.

standing by watching good jobs leave the country isnt much of an economic sustainable plan either.  but then again alot of us govt jobs could be done over seas, how much would we save if for instance the irs was run in india other countries have better education, maybe we could put them in-charge of our schools. why do we need these good jobs, why carrier is just one company, a statement that needed to be made anyways, seems i cross off good customers off my customer list too much these days as they leave the country or get bought up by overseas firms and get dismantled. this country cant support itself if everyone is flipping burgers

I certainly agree with your last line.  The erosion of the middle class in this country has been a concern for many years, if not decades.  I am skeptical that massive corporate tax cuts are going to dramatically turn that around, but I guess we are going to run the experiment and find out.  

its not just tax cuts, the trade agreements are not fair. one of my products is a simple pipe manifold, about half go to canada. it attaches to a simple house boiler, 15 psi low pressure,less than whats in your tires, not going to hurt anyone etc. i build high pressure components and engineer these same pieces as they were high pressure, each province in canada wants a detailed package of drawings, engineering etc, i send the package to the proper inspectors, they dont accept them, then they go to 7 different canadian engineering firms, about 2500 dollars per evaluation x 7 (atleast i dont need to do all 10). then i can use the free trade agreement and ship( this process takes 6 months or more. now if a canadian outfit makes these same pieces and sends them to me, they go in a box and ship. so i have this 50 dollar piece of pipe that can not ship until i pony up huge dollars.  this is what we call free trade right now. i chose this one example because its simple and insane, and its just canada. there is no free trade, its rigged if this piece went to say france, or a south american country, i would have it built in germany to avoid their pressure directives. 20 years ago their pressure directive was ASME, the european community crap was a ploy to stop us goods from going overseas. this stuff has been going on to our detriment for a while now, it needs to be stopped.

heres the scary pipe, in canada its been reclassified as a fitting to avoid further problems=)



this one was more difficult, its a down scaled paper mill, it makes paper pulp that can be used to make paper, this is old technology, sent one to toronto, about 9 months paperwork for the shipment, one went to argintina, again about 9 months(the usa classified it as a warship in customs where it sat and sat   one went to china where they shot it, they took out a gun and literally shot it


 us customs thought i built this


 if you can explain this stuff to me, please do, i live in this tiny weld shop thats more like a cave

trust me its not just US imports to Canada. I live here and it took me a few weeks and 2K to build a flatbar with 2 holes in it to hold a few hundred pounds. If you seen the drawings, and stamps and yes even instructions on how to use it would boggle your mind. We don't even get into pressure vessels or the like here as it just costs too much, even before any work can be done

i do simple flat bars for lifting things too 71000 pounds
thanks for the warning, im not sending one of these to canada either. before the lift i had to identify any dangers and ways to avoid them. i wrote in the box that if something goes wrong keep your feet from under it    you have to be aware of the pinch points. its a strange world when we have to identify pinch points under a 35.5 ton object

fishlessman

HeavyG said:

fishlessman said:

HeavyG said:

There is not a single country on the planet that I am aware of that has a true "free trade" policy. Every nation tries to work trade agreements to their advantage. The US alone has over 12,000 different tariffs on imported goods and/or import limits designed to protect US businesses. Sugar is the classic example. 

i would prefer tariffs over jumping thru hoops   do you know how to get something like that papermill into china. a manufacturer wants one, contacts a chinese buyer who contacts a us manufacturer, the us manufacturer sells to the buyer who marks the price up 250 percent to sell to the chinese manufacturer. the buyer bribes his way getting the product thru china customs paying everyone off at every step. china wants china to make this stuff, they do not like importing. they really just want one way trade and they push it. we seem to be helping them, the us post office "in china" ships to me at cheaper costs than i can have an item shipped from across town. thats our own foot we are cutting off, nothing to do with tariffs duties or anything, just 66 cents to send a box from china to methuen massachusetts using our postal system. theres something truly wrong with this

As I said, EVERY country plays these games. Whether it's tariffs or jumping thru hoops to meet technical specs EVERY country plays these games. Been that way for millennia.

exactly, thats why these trade agreements have to be worked out fairly, we are getting screwed right now. think about it, 66 cents to airmail me a box from HONGSHANGQU CHINA using usps. theres 24 lures in the box, how much would it cost me to airmail you 1 lure

fishlessman

i had to look more closely at those cheap china deliveries. china post and usps worked out a system where ebayers in the us can have china goods epacketed in china and sent directly thru usps at minimal charges. but it does not go both ways. seem like fair trade to anybody here, why is usps doing this, whos side are they on

fishlessman

and nola, welcome back

SGH

fishlessman said:

and nola, welcome back

He got a fresh haircut for the occasion

fishlessman

SGH said:

fishlessman said:

and nola, welcome back

He got a fresh haircut for the occasion

and a trump stickah for that fancy car

HeavyG

fishlessman said:

HeavyG said:

fishlessman said:

HeavyG said:

There is not a single country on the planet that I am aware of that has a true "free trade" policy. Every nation tries to work trade agreements to their advantage. The US alone has over 12,000 different tariffs on imported goods and/or import limits designed to protect US businesses. Sugar is the classic example. 

i would prefer tariffs over jumping thru hoops   do you know how to get something like that papermill into china. a manufacturer wants one, contacts a chinese buyer who contacts a us manufacturer, the us manufacturer sells to the buyer who marks the price up 250 percent to sell to the chinese manufacturer. the buyer bribes his way getting the product thru china customs paying everyone off at every step. china wants china to make this stuff, they do not like importing. they really just want one way trade and they push it. we seem to be helping them, the us post office "in china" ships to me at cheaper costs than i can have an item shipped from across town. thats our own foot we are cutting off, nothing to do with tariffs duties or anything, just 66 cents to send a box from china to methuen massachusetts using our postal system. theres something truly wrong with this

As I said, EVERY country plays these games. Whether it's tariffs or jumping thru hoops to meet technical specs EVERY country plays these games. Been that way for millennia.

exactly, thats why these trade agreements have to be worked out fairly, we are getting screwed right now. think about it, 66 cents to airmail me a box from HONGSHANGQU CHINA using usps. theres 24 lures in the box, how much would it cost me to airmail you 1 lure

"...thats why these trade agreements have to be worked out fairly..."

The problem is that most folks always think that the only definition of "fair" is what works out best for them.

"Fair" is only what compromises each country is willing to give and to accept. There will likely NEVER be a worldwide trade agreement where every country is able to import/export whatever they want sans any tariffs/restriction/impediments/etc. Just ain't gonna happen. 

International postal rates/service is an interesting thing. They're governed by an organization that has existed for well over 100 years. Mailing stuff into the US does appear to work to some other countries advantage. However, part of that reason is due to the low rates that are charged within the US for domestic delivery. I can send a first class letter from Norfolk, Virginia to Point Barrow, Alaska or Hilo, Hawaii for the same cost as sending one to the city 5 miles away from me. Is that "fair"?

CTMike

JohnInCarolina said:

Focker said:

@SGH,
Drop the hammer.

He doesn't have the balls.  He gave them all away at Brisket Camp.  

And Carey ate them, then promptly vomited them onto the pavement.