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OT: Hiking across America, red all the way

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  • Elijah
    Elijah Posts: 783
    Uh oh . This one has been sunk.
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 32,529
    edited November 2016

    HeavyG said:
    HeavyG said:
    All I want to know is should I go ahead and buy an XL now before Trump puts his planned 35% tariff on Mexican made goods or should I just wait because like so many of his campaign "promises" it will never happen?
    Lol. Now he's saying well maybe we won't repeal Obamacare after all, just make it great again.
    The U-turns and flip-flops were inevitable. Methinks there's going to be a lot of disappointed Trumpists in the coming months. 

    I mean, for a guy that was going to "drain the swamp" it's sure looking like he's going to be surrounding himself with insiders. Quelle surprise.
    Oh, don't you know it! I think he should stick to his word regardless of the circumstances like the genius before him who blindly disregarded the newly discovered consequences of his proposed actions. You know, the guy right behind Carter on the list of quality Presidents. 
    What are the "circumstances" that have caused Trump to fill half his administration with lobbyists and insiders, before his Presidency even begins?  Or, alternatively, to suggest that maybe Obamacare won't be repealed but rather amended?  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 17,983
    This is how Obama handled the transition. #stayingclassy 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jifjRVLVjzA
    That was eight months *after* his Presidency started.  Not exactly the "transition" there bud, but whatever you need to tell yourself. 
    I tell myself that Obama was an arrogant ass hat when he took office.  Even Van Jones said Trump is doing an excellent job. 
  • This is how Obama handled the transition. #stayingclassy 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jifjRVLVjzA
    That was eight months *after* his Presidency started.  Not exactly the "transition" there bud, but whatever you need to tell yourself. 
    I tell myself that Obama was an arrogant ass hat when he took office.  Even Van Jones said Trump is doing an excellent job. 
    You can tell yourself that, and you may be right - I really don't remember much about that period beyond the economy being in the crapper, and us losing a couple hundred thousand jobs a month.   But the point is that a video from August of 2009 doesn't really speak to Obama's tenor during the Presidential transition.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544

    HeavyG said:
    HeavyG said:
    All I want to know is should I go ahead and buy an XL now before Trump puts his planned 35% tariff on Mexican made goods or should I just wait because like so many of his campaign "promises" it will never happen?
    Lol. Now he's saying well maybe we won't repeal Obamacare after all, just make it great again.
    The U-turns and flip-flops were inevitable. Methinks there's going to be a lot of disappointed Trumpists in the coming months. 

    I mean, for a guy that was going to "drain the swamp" it's sure looking like he's going to be surrounding himself with insiders. Quelle surprise.
    Oh, don't you know it! I think he should stick to his word regardless of the circumstances like the genius before him who blindly disregarded the newly discovered consequences of his proposed actions. You know, the guy right behind Carter on the list of quality Presidents. 
    What are the "circumstances" that have caused Trump to fill half his administration with lobbyists and insiders, before his Presidency even begins?  Or, alternatively, to suggest that maybe Obamacare won't be repealed but rather amended?  
    He said he would consider it and either amend it or repeal and replace it. Just for you John: He is saying he will take a very close look, he will consider the opinion of others (Obama/Clinton), and then he will act in a manner he feels is best for the country, all the country. This is far different from the Obama tact of " sit down and shut up" " elections have consequences" I cannot possibly see how this is a bad thing in your view, other than you will consider everything bad. 
     
    On the other note, surely you know he has to surround himself with many people that are experts in the "swamp" environment. This is only intelligent decision making. I am certain he will not have a Ben Rhodes involved in nuclear negotiations. 

  • HeavyG said:
    HeavyG said:
    All I want to know is should I go ahead and buy an XL now before Trump puts his planned 35% tariff on Mexican made goods or should I just wait because like so many of his campaign "promises" it will never happen?
    Lol. Now he's saying well maybe we won't repeal Obamacare after all, just make it great again.
    The U-turns and flip-flops were inevitable. Methinks there's going to be a lot of disappointed Trumpists in the coming months. 

    I mean, for a guy that was going to "drain the swamp" it's sure looking like he's going to be surrounding himself with insiders. Quelle surprise.
    Oh, don't you know it! I think he should stick to his word regardless of the circumstances like the genius before him who blindly disregarded the newly discovered consequences of his proposed actions. You know, the guy right behind Carter on the list of quality Presidents. 
    What are the "circumstances" that have caused Trump to fill half his administration with lobbyists and insiders, before his Presidency even begins?  Or, alternatively, to suggest that maybe Obamacare won't be repealed but rather amended?  
    He said he would consider it and either amend it or repeal and replace it. Just for you John: He is saying he will take a very close look, he will consider the opinion of others (Obama/Clinton), and then he will act in a manner he feels is best for the country, all the country. This is far different from the Obama tact of " sit down and shut up" " elections have consequences" I cannot possibly see how this is a bad thing in your view, other than you will consider everything bad. 
     
    On the other note, surely you know he has to surround himself with many people that are experts in the "swamp" environment. This is only intelligent decision making. I am certain he will not have a Ben Rhodes involved in nuclear negotiations. 
    Do you think Trump is open-minded enough to include a Democrat or two in his administration?  Or is that unlikely?  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544

    HeavyG said:
    HeavyG said:
    All I want to know is should I go ahead and buy an XL now before Trump puts his planned 35% tariff on Mexican made goods or should I just wait because like so many of his campaign "promises" it will never happen?
    Lol. Now he's saying well maybe we won't repeal Obamacare after all, just make it great again.
    The U-turns and flip-flops were inevitable. Methinks there's going to be a lot of disappointed Trumpists in the coming months. 

    I mean, for a guy that was going to "drain the swamp" it's sure looking like he's going to be surrounding himself with insiders. Quelle surprise.
    Oh, don't you know it! I think he should stick to his word regardless of the circumstances like the genius before him who blindly disregarded the newly discovered consequences of his proposed actions. You know, the guy right behind Carter on the list of quality Presidents. 
    What are the "circumstances" that have caused Trump to fill half his administration with lobbyists and insiders, before his Presidency even begins?  Or, alternatively, to suggest that maybe Obamacare won't be repealed but rather amended?  
    He said he would consider it and either amend it or repeal and replace it. Just for you John: He is saying he will take a very close look, he will consider the opinion of others (Obama/Clinton), and then he will act in a manner he feels is best for the country, all the country. This is far different from the Obama tact of " sit down and shut up" " elections have consequences" I cannot possibly see how this is a bad thing in your view, other than you will consider everything bad. 
     
    On the other note, surely you know he has to surround himself with many people that are experts in the "swamp" environment. This is only intelligent decision making. I am certain he will not have a Ben Rhodes involved in nuclear negotiations. 
    Do you think Trump is open-minded enough to include a Democrat or two in his administration?  Or is that unlikely?  
    I don't know. If there are any that align with some of his ideas then I'm sure he would consider it. You don't really believe that he's some monster like the idiots in the press have convinced the willingly ignorant? 

  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 17,983
    This is how Obama handled the transition. #stayingclassy 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jifjRVLVjzA
    That was eight months *after* his Presidency started.  Not exactly the "transition" there bud, but whatever you need to tell yourself. 
    I tell myself that Obama was an arrogant ass hat when he took office.  Even Van Jones said Trump is doing an excellent job. 
    You can tell yourself that, and you may be right - I really don't remember much about that period beyond the economy being in the crapper, and us losing a couple hundred thousand jobs a month.   But the point is that a video from August of 2009 doesn't really speak to Obama's tenor during the Presidential transition.  
    I remember that time very well. As with everything in life, people view things with different lenses on. 
  • JohnInCarolina
    JohnInCarolina Posts: 32,529
    edited November 2016

    HeavyG said:
    HeavyG said:
    All I want to know is should I go ahead and buy an XL now before Trump puts his planned 35% tariff on Mexican made goods or should I just wait because like so many of his campaign "promises" it will never happen?
    Lol. Now he's saying well maybe we won't repeal Obamacare after all, just make it great again.
    The U-turns and flip-flops were inevitable. Methinks there's going to be a lot of disappointed Trumpists in the coming months. 

    I mean, for a guy that was going to "drain the swamp" it's sure looking like he's going to be surrounding himself with insiders. Quelle surprise.
    Oh, don't you know it! I think he should stick to his word regardless of the circumstances like the genius before him who blindly disregarded the newly discovered consequences of his proposed actions. You know, the guy right behind Carter on the list of quality Presidents. 
    What are the "circumstances" that have caused Trump to fill half his administration with lobbyists and insiders, before his Presidency even begins?  Or, alternatively, to suggest that maybe Obamacare won't be repealed but rather amended?  
    He said he would consider it and either amend it or repeal and replace it. Just for you John: He is saying he will take a very close look, he will consider the opinion of others (Obama/Clinton), and then he will act in a manner he feels is best for the country, all the country. This is far different from the Obama tact of " sit down and shut up" " elections have consequences" I cannot possibly see how this is a bad thing in your view, other than you will consider everything bad. 
     
    On the other note, surely you know he has to surround himself with many people that are experts in the "swamp" environment. This is only intelligent decision making. I am certain he will not have a Ben Rhodes involved in nuclear negotiations. 
    Do you think Trump is open-minded enough to include a Democrat or two in his administration?  Or is that unlikely?  
    I don't know. If there are any that align with some of his ideas then I'm sure he would consider it. You don't really believe that he's some monster like the idiots in the press have convinced the willingly ignorant? 

    I think the point of including a few Democrats would be to have a few folks whose views actually don't align perfectly with your own.  The idea is to have a few folks to challenge your assumptions, as opposed to an echo-chamber of sychophants.  

    Regarding Trump's temperament/character, I'm not sure what to think.  I hope that much of what he said on the campaign is not what he actually believes. My main concern is how he will get good advice on national security, when so many career civil servants in that sector came out publicly against him.  The Trump campaign has indicated that these people are all "dead" to them.  

    In any case, I hope that he and the GOP manage to work with the Democrats and find ways to create opportunities and ladders for upward mobility for working-class folks, because I don't see reasonable policies like that on either side of the aisle.  


    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • This is how Obama handled the transition. #stayingclassy 

    https://m.youtube.com/watch?v=jifjRVLVjzA
    That was eight months *after* his Presidency started.  Not exactly the "transition" there bud, but whatever you need to tell yourself. 
    I tell myself that Obama was an arrogant ass hat when he took office.  Even Van Jones said Trump is doing an excellent job. 
    You can tell yourself that, and you may be right - I really don't remember much about that period beyond the economy being in the crapper, and us losing a couple hundred thousand jobs a month.   But the point is that a video from August of 2009 doesn't really speak to Obama's tenor during the Presidential transition.  
    I remember that time very well. As with everything in life, people view things with different lenses on. 

    Great, then you ought to be able to find evidence that actually backs up your assertions.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 17,983
    From a long term GOP standpoint, I think it would be a great idea to find a way to get Bernie involved in the administration in some fashion. 
  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,075
    Do you think Democrats will ever quit being dealocrats, and return to the party principles?
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    From a long term GOP standpoint, I think it would be a great idea to find a way to get Bernie involved in the administration in some fashion. 
    This is a joke, right! He exemplifies the crazy in our nation. His ideas should all be rejected by everyone over the age of 22. 
  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544


    HeavyG said:
    HeavyG said:
    All I want to know is should I go ahead and buy an XL now before Trump puts his planned 35% tariff on Mexican made goods or should I just wait because like so many of his campaign "promises" it will never happen?
    Lol. Now he's saying well maybe we won't repeal Obamacare after all, just make it great again.
    The U-turns and flip-flops were inevitable. Methinks there's going to be a lot of disappointed Trumpists in the coming months. 

    I mean, for a guy that was going to "drain the swamp" it's sure looking like he's going to be surrounding himself with insiders. Quelle surprise.
    Oh, don't you know it! I think he should stick to his word regardless of the circumstances like the genius before him who blindly disregarded the newly discovered consequences of his proposed actions. You know, the guy right behind Carter on the list of quality Presidents. 
    What are the "circumstances" that have caused Trump to fill half his administration with lobbyists and insiders, before his Presidency even begins?  Or, alternatively, to suggest that maybe Obamacare won't be repealed but rather amended?  
    He said he would consider it and either amend it or repeal and replace it. Just for you John: He is saying he will take a very close look, he will consider the opinion of others (Obama/Clinton), and then he will act in a manner he feels is best for the country, all the country. This is far different from the Obama tact of " sit down and shut up" " elections have consequences" I cannot possibly see how this is a bad thing in your view, other than you will consider everything bad. 
     
    On the other note, surely you know he has to surround himself with many people that are experts in the "swamp" environment. This is only intelligent decision making. I am certain he will not have a Ben Rhodes involved in nuclear negotiations. 
    Do you think Trump is open-minded enough to include a Democrat or two in his administration?  Or is that unlikely?  
    I don't know. If there are any that align with some of his ideas then I'm sure he would consider it. You don't really believe that he's some monster like the idiots in the press have convinced the willingly ignorant? 

    I think the point of including a few Democrats would be to have a few folks whose views actually don't align perfectly with your own.  The idea is to have a few folks to challenge your assumptions, as opposed to an echo-chamber of sychophants.  

    Regarding Trump's temperament/character, I'm not sure what to think.  I hope that much of what he said on the campaign is not what he actually believes. My main concern is how he will get good advice on national security, when so many career civil servants in that sector came out publicly against him.  The Trump campaign has indicated that these people are all "dead" to them.  

    In any case, I hope that he and the GOP manage to work with the Democrats and find ways to create opportunities and ladders for upward mobility for working-class folks, because I don't see reasonable policies like that on either side of the aisle.  


    The conservatives do not have the liberal echo chamber. They are independent thinkers. That is why every year you hear the msm trumpet how they are in crisis and divided. Ideas are discussed and argued on th in merits. They will not call you names for having opposing views and such. Y'all should try it some time. 

    I also am am hopeful for a reasonable leader. 
  • YukonRon said:
    Do you think Democrats will ever quit being dealocrats, and return to the party principles?
    They will if they know what's good for them.  I can't say I'm optimistic.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • DoubleEgger
    DoubleEgger Posts: 17,983
    edited November 2016
    From a long term GOP standpoint, I think it would be a great idea to find a way to get Bernie involved in the administration in some fashion. 
    This is a joke, right! He exemplifies the crazy in our nation. His ideas should all be rejected by everyone over the age of 22. 
    No it's not a joke. Bernie is an Independent that attracted a huge following in the primaries  . You're going to have to be able to connect with younger voters or the party is doomed long term. Everybody I spoke to said the lines waiting to vote were mostly the 65 and over crowd. They'll only vote for President a few more times at best. I wouldn't let him control the purse, but surely there's a role for him somewhere. 
  • From a long term GOP standpoint, I think it would be a great idea to find a way to get Bernie involved in the administration in some fashion. 
    This is a joke, right! He exemplifies the crazy in our nation. His ideas should all be rejected by everyone over the age of 22. 
    No it's not a joke. Bernie is an Independent that attracted a huge following in the primaries  . You're going to have to be able to connect with younger voters or the party is doomed long term. Everybody I spoke to said the lines waiting to vote were mostly the 65 and over crowd. They'll only vote for President a few more times at best. I wouldn't let him control the purse, but surely there's a role for him somewhere. 
    Yep.  Interesting with respect to the original post in this thread.  There was a map showing what the country looks like if people who are under 35 were the only ones voting.  It is almost completely blue.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    From a long term GOP standpoint, I think it would be a great idea to find a way to get Bernie involved in the administration in some fashion. 
    This is a joke, right! He exemplifies the crazy in our nation. His ideas should all be rejected by everyone over the age of 22. 
    No it's not a joke. Bernie is an Independent that attracted a huge following in the primaries  . You're going to have to be able to connect with younger voters or the party is doomed long term. Everybody I spoke to said the lines waiting to vote were mostly the 65 and over crowd. They'll only vote for President a few more times at best. I wouldn't let him control the purse, but surely there's a role for him somewhere. I

    We should be able to easily defeat his ideas in the arena of thought. They are juvenile at best. That is why until now he has been a nobody. If we can get the economy chugging alone at a real pace, his phenomenon will disappear on its own. He is only relevant because of the sorry state of affairs we currently have. 


  • Yep.  Interesting with respect to the original post in this thread.  There was a map showing what the country looks like if people who are under 35 were the only ones voting.  It is almost completely blue.  
    What is the old quote, 

    If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain

  • From a long term GOP standpoint, I think it would be a great idea to find a way to get Bernie involved in the administration in some fashion. 
    This is a joke, right! He exemplifies the crazy in our nation. His ideas should all be rejected by everyone over the age of 22. 
    No it's not a joke. Bernie is an Independent that attracted a huge following in the primaries  . You're going to have to be able to connect with younger voters or the party is doomed long term. Everybody I spoke to said the lines waiting to vote were mostly the 65 and over crowd. They'll only vote for President a few more times at best. I wouldn't let him control the purse, but surely there's a role for him somewhere. I

    We should be able to easily defeat his ideas in the arena of thought. They are juvenile at best. That is why until now he has been a nobody. If we can get the economy chugging alone at a real pace, his phenomenon will disappear on its own. He is only relevant because of the sorry state of affairs we currently have. 
    The ideas Bernie espoused really aren't any more or less juvenile than what Trump was putting forward.  Building a wall that Mexico will pay for?  Come on.

    Bernie spoke to issues of class, which in my view are legitimately important.  He spoke to a genuine concern many citizens have of how they will afford to pay for college for their kids.  You may disagree with his solution - of making public colleges tuition-free and raising taxes.  But he was trying to address a real issue, one that is actually limiting upward mobility for many people.  
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    From a long term GOP standpoint, I think it would be a great idea to find a way to get Bernie involved in the administration in some fashion. 
    This is a joke, right! He exemplifies the crazy in our nation. His ideas should all be rejected by everyone over the age of 22. 
    No it's not a joke. Bernie is an Independent that attracted a huge following in the primaries  . You're going to have to be able to connect with younger voters or the party is doomed long term. Everybody I spoke to said the lines waiting to vote were mostly the 65 and over crowd. They'll only vote for President a few more times at best. I wouldn't let him control the purse, but surely there's a role for him somewhere. I

    We should be able to easily defeat his ideas in the arena of thought. They are juvenile at best. That is why until now he has been a nobody. If we can get the economy chugging alone at a real pace, his phenomenon will disappear on its own. He is only relevant because of the sorry state of affairs we currently have. 
    The ideas Bernie espoused really aren't any more or less juvenile than what Trump was putting forward.  Building a wall that Mexico will pay for?  Come on.

    Bernie spoke to issues of class, which in my view are legitimately important.  He spoke to a genuine concern many citizens have of how they will afford to pay for college for their kids.  You may disagree with his solution - of making public colleges tuition-free and raising taxes.  But he was trying to address a real issue, one that is actually limiting upward mobility for many people.  
    You have a point when framed that way. 
  • SkySaw
    SkySaw Posts: 656
    We should be able to easily defeat his ideas in the arena of thought. They are juvenile at best.
    Is this the same arena of thought that has defeated ridiculous hoaxes like climate change and evolution? Arguments that disregard science cannot be taken seriously, and both Trump and Pence have voiced their 'disbelief' in widely held scientific findings. What hope can there be for intelligent decision making when leaders disregard real information based on nothing but a preference to disregard that knowledge?
  • pgprescott
    pgprescott Posts: 14,544
    SkySaw said:
    We should be able to easily defeat his ideas in the arena of thought. They are juvenile at best.
    Is this the same arena of thought that has defeated ridiculous hoaxes like climate change and evolution? Arguments that disregard science cannot be taken seriously, and both Trump and Pence have voiced their 'disbelief' in widely held scientific findings. What hope can there be for intelligent decision making when leaders disregard real information based on nothing but a preference to disregard that knowledge?
    It's not science. It is a mash of science and bs and money making schemes. I'm not saying there is no climate change,  but the conclusions and solutions? Really? Fools errand at best. 

    Do do me a favor, consider all the things you want implemented and done related to CC is done. Now imagine you were wrong. Pretty scary. 
  • YukonRon
    YukonRon Posts: 17,075
    YukonRon said:
    Do you think Democrats will ever quit being dealocrats, and return to the party principles?
    They will if they know what's good for them.  I can't say I'm optimistic.  
    I, too have lost optimism, as I forsee a massive sellout, getting worse, to regain political prominence at any cost. Sobering times for the party, as much as it goes against logic, the need for the fundamentals for the welfare of ALL Americans, therefore our country, needs to be defined, and acted upon. 
    Right now, I don't see the vision or message, from anyone, in the party.
    I do not think people realize how close we are to the loss of freedom, due to being relegated to capitalistic serfdom.
    The loss of this election has to be the lowest point in the history of the Democratic party. Unfortunately, it was made by those we trusted, to be the leaders of our party.
    "Knowledge is Good" - Emil Faber

    XL and MM
    Louisville, Kentucky
  • @YukonRon I agree.  One party has neglected the working class, while the other has exploited it.  That cannot continue for very long without serious consequences, the likes of which we may very well see rather soon.
    "I've made a note never to piss you two off." - Stike
  • SkySaw
    SkySaw Posts: 656
    SkySaw said:
    We should be able to easily defeat his ideas in the arena of thought. They are juvenile at best.
    Is this the same arena of thought that has defeated ridiculous hoaxes like climate change and evolution? Arguments that disregard science cannot be taken seriously, and both Trump and Pence have voiced their 'disbelief' in widely held scientific findings. What hope can there be for intelligent decision making when leaders disregard real information based on nothing but a preference to disregard that knowledge?
    It's not science. It is a mash of science and bs and money making schemes. I'm not saying there is no climate change,  but the conclusions and solutions? Really? Fools errand at best. 

    Do do me a favor, consider all the things you want implemented and done related to CC is done. Now imagine you were wrong. Pretty scary. 
    The view that you are expressing is not your own assessment (how do you know it's not science?) based on any understanding of science or the scientific method; it's merely parroting a popular conspiracy theory being used as a smear campaign against some uncomfortable findings. The great thing about conspiracy theories is that they lack enough detail or coherence to be carefully examined. Internet memes are a poor substitute for science and rational thought. Ask yourself how you came to reach this conclusion that climate change and evolution are based on a mix of science, bs and money making schemes. Are your sources so strong and your knowledge of the topic so complete that you can dismiss it as a fools errand? 
  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380

    HeavyG said:
    HeavyG said:
    All I want to know is should I go ahead and buy an XL now before Trump puts his planned 35% tariff on Mexican made goods or should I just wait because like so many of his campaign "promises" it will never happen?
    Lol. Now he's saying well maybe we won't repeal Obamacare after all, just make it great again.
    The U-turns and flip-flops were inevitable. Methinks there's going to be a lot of disappointed Trumpists in the coming months. 

    I mean, for a guy that was going to "drain the swamp" it's sure looking like he's going to be surrounding himself with insiders. Quelle surprise.
    Oh, don't you know it! I think he should stick to his word regardless of the circumstances like the genius before him who blindly disregarded the newly discovered consequences of his proposed actions. You know, the guy right behind Carter on the list of quality Presidents. 
    What are the "circumstances" that have caused Trump to fill half his administration with lobbyists and insiders, before his Presidency even begins?  Or, alternatively, to suggest that maybe Obamacare won't be repealed but rather amended?  
    He said he would consider it and either amend it or repeal and replace it...
    No...he repeatedly said on DAY ONE was going to call a "special session" of Congress and repeal Obamacare.

    Most sober folks knew that wasn't going to be possible for a number of reasons. One of which is that there are likely not enough votes from Republican Congressman to do that because the ACA is actually working quite well for a lot of folks in a lot of red and blue districts.

    Of course it was expected that Trump isn't/wasn't going to be able to jump right in and snap his fingers and achieve all the outrageous things he claimed. He is just a president after all, not a king or a dictator. He will quickly learn the power and hold that the K Street crowd has over the rank and file members of Congress.

    Which is why I have said that a lot of Trump voters are going to end up being very disappointed and perhaps even angrier than they already are.

    Personally, even tho I didn't vote for Trump I am increasingly excited to watch him try to pull all these rabbits out of his hat. Starting with how he is going to be bring back, in his words a couple days ago, those "big league" jobs.




    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • HeavyG
    HeavyG Posts: 10,380
    edited November 2016


    Yep.  Interesting with respect to the original post in this thread.  There was a map showing what the country looks like if people who are under 35 were the only ones voting.  It is almost completely blue.  
    What is the old quote, 

    If You Are Not a Liberal at 25, You Have No Heart. If You Are Not a Conservative at 35 You Have No Brain

    You mean the one so many folks say was a quote from Winston Churchill?

    http://www.winstonchurchill.org/resources/quotations/135-quotes-falsely-attributed
    “Reality is that which, when you stop believing in it, doesn't go away.” ― Philip K. Diçk




  • bhedges1987
    bhedges1987 Posts: 3,201
    Still a lot of salt in here. Going to be a long 4 years for some of you. 



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